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[L Thammy]

I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

Like all those African immigrants back in the 1800s.

 

[Cerium]

Ah, another "I've not actually read what he has said but let me defend it against people who have".

He claims he's listened to the interview which makes this defense all the more incredible.

 

[Akainu]

So far all they've really talked about is immigration at the point I've watched to.

"I've watched the first couple of minutes of them introducing themselves. Wheres the racism?"

 

[Anung]

Yeah guys he's not THAT racist. It's not like he said the N-word or anythi...oh.

https://youtu.be/xcM08cUbWys

 

[Toxi]

I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

He repeatedly expresses a problem with black Americans, who are generally not immigrants or children of immigrants.

 

[Real Hero]

His comments are full on old school 19th century racism. Does he have to make a video of him lynching a black man for you to consider 'really racists' ffs

 

[Skyzard]

What can they (the trolls) do? How does going "bonkers" do anything that equates to a real threat?

Absolutely nothing. The more they show their true colours by being themselves, the more attention Yooka-Laylee will get from upsetting these turds.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

He's not racist he just has racist views.

 

[L Thammy]

Divisiveness is not about both sides being wrong - it's about polarization. He says this increases the cleavage in our society.

I think people who are deliberately trying to undermine and demonize other people for their race is what increases the cleavage in society.

 

[gngf123]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

Destiny asked him - If someone immigrates, adopts to the culture, and contributes to society, then what is wrong with that.

His reply was "because they then enter the gene pool". That's how all the gene pool shit started.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Just watched BitBlock's video on it all.

Jesus wept.

It's impressively ignorant, isn't it?

Dude doesn't even the balls to make it public either

 

[Tasha2k2]

He's deeply racist. There's no way to hand wave the gene pool comments. Think for a second, if it's about immigration why does he keep talking about black people? This is seriously deeply racist stuff based solely on skin colour

I'm saying his arguments don't make sense.

Pardon?

Did you hear his comments about black people in America? How do you explain those?

He's super uncomfortable talking about it and he sounds like he's really ignorant on the subject of crimes committed by black people.

It sounds like he thinks black people commit "disproportionate amounts of crime" just because of the colour of their skin. But what he says right afterwards is that he has no problems with people of any colour which is just shocking considering the things he said. Like I said before, his arguments don't seem to make sense.

Again I'm not saying I agree with his views, I'm saying that his videos, which are about video games and movies, to me, are funny. I'd very much dislike it if he made a "funny" video about diluting the gene pool.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You seem to be under the impression that because his views are stupid and ignorant, they can't also be racist, hateful, hurtful and dangerous. You would be wrong.

Racism, itself, doesn't make sense.

It's absolutely reasonable that people no longer want to support someone a vile and abhorrent white supremacist, no matter how funny his video game videos are.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Divisiveness is not about both sides being wrong - it's about polarization. He says this increases the cleavage in our society.

There's no both sides regarding racism. We colectively took a stance about it already, we decided it something bad.

And no, Playtonic removing JT from his game, because of horrible, inhuman views is not pushing people towards more extreme sides, because being against racism, is not an extreme position to begin with.

If people is driven towards ideals like white supremacism, because someone they like is not voicing a game anymore, they were already that far into the rabbit hole, otherwise it can only be blamed to stupidity.

 

[Adam_Vania]

I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

refuse to adopt the culture? what are you talking about? they are going to have to go to stores to buy food. they can't pay with the money from their country, they have to use local currency. the cash register people aren't necessarily going to speak their original language. they will have to learn functional English. of course, this usually isn't a problem, since many people from "different cultures" actually do learn English. they have to adopt to the dominant language while English native speakers can simply ignore everybody else.

i could go on. i could talk about how laws and norms are different from one country to the next. how this dramatically changes the approach to health care, to family planning, to passing down cultural traditions. if you move to America and have children, you will be pressured (by people like you with the quoted statement) into abandoning treasured and ancient family traditions so that you can "fit in" better. your kids may actually want to do this, since so many Americans look down on foreigners, and they want to fit in. because American culture is a hit all over the world, everyone especially kids love Hollywood and rock n roll and hip hop. it is impossible to not "adopt the culture".

this statement is so wrong it is literally unreal. it is an unrealistic way to look at the world. please rethink what you said. put yourself in their shoes and think about your family, how it would change things.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

I'm saying his arguments don't make sense.



Pardon?



He's super uncomfortable talking about it and he sounds like he's really ignorant on the subject of crimes committed by black people.

It sounds like he thinks black people commit "disproportionate amounts of crime" just because of the colour of their skin. But what he says right afterwards is that he has no problems with people of any colour which is just shocking considering the things he said. Like I said before, his arguments don't seem to make sense.

Again I'm not saying I agree with his views, I'm saying that his videos, which are about video games and movies, to me, are funny. I'd very much dislike it if he made a "funny" video about diluting the gene pool.

Racism is not factual. It doesn't make sense by definition. You can watch his other videos, I get it but what he said is deeply racist and extremely hateful and hurtful to others. There's no getting away from the stuff he said, it doesn't make sense because racism doesn't make sense in the first place

 

[Mahonay]

Pardon?

Your statement that we "are making him out to be way more racist than he is" it's 100 percent trash.

JonTron's statements are some of the mort racist things I've ever heard, let alone from a prominent gaming YouTuber.

 

[Tasha2k2]

You seem to be under the impression that because his views are stupid and ignorant, they can't also be racist, hateful, hurtful and dangerous. You would be wrong.

Racism, itself, doesn't make sense.

It's absolutely reasonable that people no longer want to support someone a vile and abhorrent white supremacist, no matter how funny his video game videos are.

Yeah I suppose my problem is trying to understand where he's coming from when it's from a place that doesn't make sense.

refuse to adopt the culture? what are you talking about? they are going to have to go to stores to buy food. they can't pay with the money from their country, they have to use local currency. the cash register people aren't necessarily going to speak their original language. they will have to learn functional English. of course, this usually isn't a problem, since many people from "different cultures" actually do learn English. they have to adopt to the dominant language while English native speakers can simply ignore everybody else.

i could go on. i could talk about how laws and norms are different from one country to the next. how this dramatically changes the approach to health care, to family planning, to passing down cultural traditions. if you move to America and have children, you will be pressured (by people like you with the quoted statement) into abandoning treasured and ancient family traditions so that you can "fit in" better. your kids may actually want to do this, since so many Americans look down on foreigners, and they want to fit in. because American culture is a hit all over the world, everyone especially kids love Hollywood and rock n roll. it is impossible to not "adopt the culture".

this statement is so wrong it is literally unreal. it is an unrealistic way to look at the world. please rethink what you said. put yourself in their shoes and think about your family, how it would change things.

My mother had to do all of that when she moved over here and met my dad. If she didn't and she just stayed in her own little Philippine area like a lot of people from Asian or Muslim countries are doing in London then she never would have met my dad and I wouldn't exist.

 

[Makai]

There's no both sides regarding racism. We colectively took a stance about it already, we decided it something bad.

And no, Playtonic removing JT from his game, because of horrible, inhuman views is not pushing people towards more extreme sides, because being against racism, is not an extreme position to begin with.

If people is driven towards ideals like white supremacism, because someone they like is not voicing a game anymore, they were already that far into the rabbit hole, otherwise it can only be blamed to stupidity.

You're misunderstanding because of the connotations with the phrase "both sides." Let me translate for you:

Destiny thinks this development causes JonTron to feel persecuted. He becomes more entrenched in that group and it mobilizes like-minded people around him.

 

[liezryou]

People, flag the inappropriate tags. Do something positive towards the game. Maybe even buy it if you want!

Done. Not going to buy the game because i'm not a huge fan of platformers, but i'm with them in spirit.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

refuse to adopt the culture? what are you talking about? they are going to have to go to stores to buy food. they can't pay with the money from their country, they have to use local currency. the cash register people aren't necessarily going to speak their original language. they will have to learn functional English. of course, this usually isn't a problem, since many people from "different cultures" actually do learn English. they have to adopt to the dominant language while English native speakers can simply ignore everybody else.

i could go on. i could talk about how laws and norms are different from one country to the next. how this dramatically changes the approach to health care, to family planning, to passing down cultural traditions. if you move to America and have children, you will be pressured (by people like you with the quoted statement) into abandoning treasured and ancient family traditions so that you can "fit in" better. your kids may actually want to do this, since so many Americans look down on foreigners, and they want to fit in. because American culture is a hit all over the world, everyone especially kids love Hollywood and rock n roll. it is impossible to not "adopt the culture".

this statement is so wrong it is literally unreal. it is an unrealistic way to look at the world. please rethink what you said. put yourself in their shoes and think about your family, how it would change things.

This is the logical fallacy of dumbass white supremacists like JonTron and the American white power structure. Keep all of those dirty immigrants away from me and put them in their own neighborhoods...then complain 10-20-30 years later because they haven't assymilated into "American culture".

 

[L Thammy]

Part of the reason immigrants keep to their own neighbourhoods is because it's difficult to get a job, and often there are language barriers. Often education you receive in other countries doesn't qualify when you move to another and so is useless during a job search. They stick with their own group because the only way they can get anywhere is by networking with people who have already landed here and had the same issues.

 

[Weltall Zero]

I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

What you are doing here is called rationalization. You don't want to stop watching his videos because you enjoy them, but you also don't feel confortable watching the videos of someone who is deeply racist, so your subconscious creates this narrative for you where you keep finding reasons to dismiss his open racism.

Please analyze the situation from a logical, rational perspective. You cannot say that "he doesn't have a problem with people who aren't white" of a guy who literally says that black people always commit more crimes than white people even when they're wealthier. You cannot say that he only has a problem with "culture" when the actual terms he uses are "diluting and polluting the gene pool". Make the effort to see past what is confortable for you. Reality doesn't change because you decide not to think about it.

What is true is already so.
Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.
Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.
And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with.
Anything untrue isn't there to be lived.
People can stand what is true,
for they are already enduring it.

—Eugene Gendlin

 

[EatinOlives]

I'm saying his arguments don't make sense.



Pardon?



He's super uncomfortable talking about it and he sounds like he's really ignorant on the subject of crimes committed by black people.

It sounds like he thinks black people commit "disproportionate amounts of crime" just because of the colour of their skin. But what he says right afterwards is that he has no problems with people of any colour which is just shocking considering the things he said. Like I said before, his arguments don't seem to make sense.

Again I'm not saying I agree with his views, I'm saying that his videos, which are about video games and movies, to me, are funny. I'd very much dislike it if he made a "funny" video about diluting the gene pool.

Dude if you want to justify to yourself that you can watch his content without feeling bad knowing his deeply racist views go right ahead, this thread isn't some bastion of moral fortitude that hands out approval.

But don't go around arguing that the stuff he's saying isn't racist. You don't need to jump through hoops to recontextualize his shit so you can keep watching his videos.

 

[mugurumakensei]

It's funny seeing so many of the alt-right claim they are not racist, bigots, or homophobes while saying "homosexuality is a disease", going "sieg heil", and propagating PizzaGate even as Alex Jones has come out and admitted it's not true.

 

[Claude Augario]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

I'm not sure you're able to comprehend just how racist he is. His gene pool comment is advocating ethnic cleansing.

America is a nation of immigrants, its "culture" is literally everything created and adopted by the people living here for centuries. His "founding stock" comment shows that he's living in an alternate reality where America sprung from the ocean as a white utopia and then the scary brown people snuck their way in over the years. I'm not even sure he's aware that Native Americans exist. Just because his comments are idiotic doesn't mean there isn't malice behind them. He's not scared of mass immigration, he's scared of non-whites coming to America and making a good lives for themselves, evening the playing field.

 

[jviggy43]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

I mean, I was skeptical of your soft defense posts before, but this shit right here- if it is genuine-probably means you should radically reassess what racism is and why your orientation of it permits you to speak up in lieu of some of the most tangible, unambiguous racism Ive seen spewed by a public figure in some time.

 

[Chronospherics]

If I were a game dev I'd dread launching my game onto steam. It's forums and communities are full of horrible, hateful things and if you were to remove them they would receive heavy criticism for censorship.

The only place I regularly see comments so obscene is facebook, which of course lacks moderation.

If I were Playtonic I'd probably ignore discussion on the steam page entirely, and let it rot. They probably have a dedicated forum someplace where people actually interested in their game discuss the game constructively.

 

[Nickle]

pray 4 jon

 

[Nanashrew]

Racism is irrational. It is ignorance. It is hate. It never makes sense because racism is not backed up by facts of any kind.

If the racist talking points don't make sense, you're far more knowledgeable than they are. Jontron is racist though. He holds racist views from a place ignorance and irrationality. Whether he thinks he's not being hateful doesn't matter because racism is hateful by nature regardless of how you spin it.

Holding racist views and talking about ethnic superiority, white ethno-states, gene pools, makes you a racist

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You're misunderstanding because of the connotations with the phrase "both sides." Let me translate for you:

Destiny thinks this development causes JonTron to feel persecuted. He becomes more entrenched in that group and it mobilizes like-minded people around him.

He's done podcasts with Sargon and has no fear at all saying in public arguments like " non-white people will enter the genetic pool". I'd say he's entrenched enough.

Also, having repercussions for the things you talk in public is not persecution. He's allowed to his opinions, in the same way people are allowed to cut up their job relationships with you because of them.

 

[Tasha2k2]

Your statement that we "are making him out to be way more racist than he is" it's 100 percent trash.

JonTron's statements are some of the mort racist things I've ever heard, let alone from a prominent gaming YouTuber.

I found the bit in the video I was talking about.

https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=3779

Destiny: Say that you had one hundred million brown people that wanted to come to the united states and they would all assimilate to the culture immediately but whites would then become the minority would this be a good thing or a bad thing?
Jon: If they assimilated immediately?
Destiny: Of course.
Jon: Of course, yes, not a bad thing, would be fine.
Destiny: So even if whites became the minority it wouldn't be a bad thing if people integrated? We can agree on that?
Jon: Yeah sure but that's not how it works though

He seems like he's trying to argue about a culture shift rather than a "colour shift". Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American or something.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Just to chip in, advocating that people stop watching videos of said person because of his personal beliefs is a very tricky area.

There are loads of musicians, actors, etc, throughout time who have said stupid shit, done stupid stuff, believe in stupid things and if people boycotted everything then that would leave very little entertainment out there.

I'm not going to stop watching his videos (when he actually does upload a game one that is) in the same way I didn't stop watching Seinfeld repeats or listen to certain bands when it was revealed some of the members were racist or beat up their partners, etc. It sucks that they're shitty people in real life and I'm not going to defend that, but people should be still allowed to view their content without having others dictate and tell them that they can't or if they do, they've got no humanity, etc.

It's basically quality/impact/value of creation vs heinousness of creator. Where the line is drawn exactly is a personal thing.

It would be easy to boycott Seinfeld if Michael Richards was the only guy on the show.
Jontron ain't exactly Seinfeld, and there's hardly a lack of Youtube entertainers.
People are free to decide for themselves, but whether to watch or not to watch his videos, doesn't seem like much of a dilemma to me.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

See now you've gone from I'll watch him regardless to apologizing for his views...

He literally said dilute the gene pool, he literally said black people have a crime gene... We aren't making him seem more racist... he is that racist

 

[t hicks]

Ok so I just watched a lot of that interview video and while I totally think Jon's stance on some stuff is uhhhhhh lets say misguided at best ...

I still like the funny stuff he does so I'm not gonna stop watching his videos are anything kinda like how even if musicians do drugs and stuff it doesnt mean I'm gonna stop listening to their music even though I don't agree with it.

racism and creating music while high have absolutely nothing in common.
how tf do you even equate the two things? wow

 

[Skyzard]

The steam discussion is worse than the worst parts of 4chan right now. Just shows how much Playtonic did the right thing by distancing themselves from these people.

Didn't take long for people to correct the tags:

 

[Mahonay]

I found the bit in the video I was talking about.

https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=3779

Destiny: Say that you had one hundred million brown people that wanted to come to the united states and they would all assimilate to the culture immediately but whites would then become the minority would this be a good thing or a bad thing?
Jon: If they assimilated immediately?
Destiny: Of course.
Jon: Of course, yes, not a bad thing, would be fine.
Destiny: So even if whites became the minority it wouldn't be a bad thing if people integrated? We can agree on that?
Jon: Yeah sure but that's not how it works though

He seems like he's trying to argue about a culture shift rather than a "colour shift". Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American or something.

I honestly don't even know where to start trying to explain things to you. You have almost no understanding of what does or does not constitute racism.

 

[Nanashrew]

Lots of songs in the 70's were made while high.

I'm sure plenty of songs are still made while high too.

 

[Weltall Zero]

People, flag the inappropriate tags. Do something positive towards the game. Maybe even buy it if you want!

Did my part. I'm not sure I would have realized you have to click the "add" button to flag them, so thanks for that.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

I found the bit in the video I was talking about.

https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=3779

Destiny: Say that you had one hundred million brown people that wanted to come to the united states and they would all assimilate to the culture immediately but whites would then become the minority would this be a good thing or a bad thing?
Jon: If they assimilated immediately?
Destiny: Of course.
Jon: Of course, yes, not a bad thing, would be fine.
Destiny: So even if whites became the minority it wouldn't be a bad thing if people integrated? We can agree on that?
Jon: Yeah sure but that's not how it works though

He seems like he's trying to argue about a culture shift rather than a "colour shift". Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American or something.

You realise he only has a problem with those people in the first place because of the colour of their skin right? I'm not following how you think this isn't some intense racism here

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

This is basically what I was trying to say but not able to find the right words to put to it, so thank you.



I think you guys are making him out to be way more racist than he is. I've met my fair share of racists, and I'm not saying he doesn't have racist views, but it clearly runs deeper than "preserve the white majority don't dilute the gene pool" because of the stuff he says right after that. I don't think he specifically has a problem with people who aren't white, only when people of a different culture all mass immigrate to another country and refuse to adopt the culture.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I found the bit in the video I was talking about.

https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=3779

Destiny: Say that you had one hundred million brown people that wanted to come to the united states and they would all assimilate to the culture immediately but whites would then become the minority would this be a good thing or a bad thing?
Jon: If they assimilated immediately?
Destiny: Of course.
Jon: Of course, yes, not a bad thing, would be fine.
Destiny: So even if whites became the minority it wouldn't be a bad thing if people integrated? We can agree on that?
Jon: Yeah sure but that's not how it works though

He seems like he's trying to argue about a culture shift rather than a "colour shift". Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American or something.

They are talking about "brown people" and "white people", you still think is not related to "colour" or even, that "culture" and "colour" aren't even related in this case? The rejection of that "culture" is because is not "white culture".

 

[Nanashrew]

JonTron is the son of an immigrant and doesn't seem to like immigration and disturbing the white people.

 

[excelsiorlef]

You're misunderstanding because of the connotations with the phrase "both sides." Let me translate for you:

Destiny thinks this development causes JonTron to feel persecuted. He becomes more entrenched in that group and it mobilizes like-minded people around him.

But then basically doing anything once a racist outs himself as a racist is going to cause him to feel persecuted...

I mean articles were written just saying here's how racist JonTron is and that made him feel persecuted... are we supposed to just let racists be openly racists and not try to do anything else?

This company didn't want their brand associated with a really big racist... are they supposed to just have allowed that association because anything else would make the racist feel persecuted?

God knows the debate failed at changing JonTron's mind... he literally double downed a few days later...

Racists are going to feel persecuted by any criticism, fuck racists feel persecuted by other races existing.

We can't make decisions on how to handle racists based on the will this make racists feel persecuted because basically nothing short of silence or approval will make them not feel persecuted.

 

[Messofanego]

Just to chip in, advocating that people stop watching videos of said person because of his personal beliefs is a very tricky area.

There are loads of musicians, actors, etc, throughout time who have said stupid shit, done stupid stuff, believe in stupid things and if people boycotted everything then that would leave very little entertainment out there.

I'm not going to stop watching his videos (when he actually does upload a game one that is) in the same way I didn't stop watching Seinfeld repeats or listen to certain bands when it was revealed some of the members were racist or beat up their partners, etc. It sucks that they're shitty people in real life and I'm not going to defend that, but people should be still allowed to view their content without having others dictate and tell them that they can't or if they do, they've got no humanity, etc.

I can't in good conscience give Jontron money by giving his videos views knowing he's a white supremacist/racist and encouraging his future efforts especially if they could become more nefarious.

Same reason why I don't watch Tom Cruise films because I don't want to fund Scientology who get a lot of their money from the box office returns.

 

[rpmurphy]

The assimilation debate is a whole load of Euro-centric horseshit regardless. You don't get to suppress and annihilate swaths of indigenous cultures then have the ground to say that assimilation of minority immigrants into your culture is fundamental for the health of the region.

 

[Tasha2k2]

What you are doing here is called rationalization. You don't want to stop watching his videos because you enjoy them, but you also don't feel confortable watching the videos of someone who is deeply racist, so your subconscious creates this narrative for you where you keep finding reasons to dismiss his open racism.

Please analyze the situation from a logical, rational perspective. You cannot say that "he doesn't have a problem with people who aren't white" of a guy who literally says that black people always commit more crimes than white people even when they're wealthier. You cannot say that he only has a problem with "culture" when the actual terms he uses are "diluting and polluting the gene pool". Make the effort to see past what is confortable for you. Reality doesn't change because you decide not to think about it.

I mean maybe you're right about how I'm reacting to it since I like his videos, but I would like to point out nowhere does he use the word "polluting". And I was specifically looking out for the word since I saw that someone said he used it in the other thread and it really shocked me that he would say that. He does say "diluting" though, so whatever, I'm probably just making excuses.

I honestly don't even know where to start trying to explain things to you. You have almost no understanding of what does or does not constitute racism.

Well I've got like 20 people disagreeing with me so clearly I've messed up somewhere. In my personal experiences with racism it's always been more obvious if that makes sense? Like as an actual example I've had people tell me to go back to China because I don't belong here. And even after going actually I'm not chinese and I was born here they were like like "So go back there then."

He seems like he's subconsciously racist or something, and I bet if you asked Jon if he had racist views that he would say he didn't because I genuinely don't think he thinks he's being racist. Which I guess is just as bad because yeah I see him saying stuff about black people committing more crimes or whatever it was that he said, but in the same breath he says that its not because of the colour of their skin, BUT then says "just look at the crime rate in africa". It's not the same thing as him kicking a dog and then going "I love dogs" because I doubt he would do anything to like on purposely inconvenience people of other races. Trying to wrap my head around it is just making it hurt.

 

[Tasha2k2]

They are talking about "brown people" and "white people", you still think is not related to "colour" or even, that "culture" and "colour" aren't even related in this case? The rejection of that "culture" is because is not "white culture".

They were talking about brown people there because Destiny used brown people as an example of people immigrating though. If he had used the term muslim people or another religion I doubt Jon's response would have changed.

 

[L Thammy]

Why should anyone give a shit if JonTron thinks he's racist? Racist is a description. If your behaviour is based on racial biases, if the ideas you spread are based on race theory, you're a racist. It's not a guild in an MMO where you have to opt in.

Racism is a situation that calls for the duck test. If it walks like a racist and it talks like a racist, then it's a racist.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I mean maybe you're right about how I'm reacting to it since I like his videos, but I would like to point out nowhere does he use the word "polluting". And I was specifically looking out for the word since I saw that someone said he used it in the other thread and it really shocked me that he would say that. He does say "diluting" though, so whatever, I'm probably just making excuses.



Well I've got like 20 people disagreeing with me so clearly I've messed up somewhere. In my personal experiences with racism it's always been more obvious if that makes sense? Like as an actual example I've had people tell me to go back to China because I don't belong here. And even after going actually I'm not chinese and I was born here they were like like "So go back there then."

He seems like he's subconsciously racist or something, and I bet if you asked Jon if he had racist views that he would say he didn't because I genuinely don't think he thinks he's being racist. Which I guess is just as bad because yeah I see him saying stuff about black people committing more crimes or whatever it was that he said, but in the same breath he says that its not because of the colour of their skin, BUT then says "just look at the crime rate in africa". It's not the same thing as him kicking a dog and then going "I love dogs" because I doubt he would do anything to like on purposely inconvenience people of other races. Trying to wrap my head around it is just making it hurt.

More obvious?

This is literally incredibly obvious... you don't say other races dilute the gene pool ever if you aren't a racist...


You don't argue that black people are genetically more likely to commit crime if you aren't a racist..

You don't say mexican immigrants are coming to the US to turn it into Mexico part 2 if you aren't a racist.


Also of course he wouldn't save he's a racist... saying you're a racist went out of style decades ago... Now the trick is to say racist things, then claim you're not a racist and then say even that anyone calling you a racist is really the problem...

This is their trick: Being racist is bad but nothing is actually racist