GinoFelino
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Surely not describing the Microsoft camp too, there
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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WordsintheWater
Member
Hahha basically
ftfy
TLZ
Banned
Why not? Richard made it sound like it's a very impressive feature.
DF video sounds like alot of customization to the chips, which normally means more expensive to make. $399 would be smart but something tells me its going to be $449-$499, we did end up with $299 switch after all and everyone thought it was going to be $250 or less.
sankt-Antonio
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Don't know if its that simple. The difference between rendering nativ or cb 4K is massive. The pro only has to render half the pixels, while the Scorpio is 50% more powerful.
Games made with the Scorpio in mind are going to blow the pro away (at 1080p, no question).
Duxxy3
Member
GAF is decidedly Sonyland.
With everything accounted for, it's a 50% increase over the PS4 Pro.
I'll be fine either way. I am riding out my PS4 until PS5 and will definitely be moving up to Scorpio from Xbox One. Regardless of when PS5 releases, Scorpio is easily powerful enough to last me a good 5 years or so.
Okami Haundo
Member
I think the studio head at Playground has teased as much already. Basically saying that the game already supports improvements like that so moving it to Scorpio would require minimal effort.
New console reveal, new hyperbole, reality check at launch. The cycle never ends.
JamesHolden
Banned
GinoFelino
Member
If even Leadbetter is pushing the 499 narrative, don't expect the average gaffer to do better
Outrun
Member
It is simpler than that.
Despite MS informing us that today was a focus on tech and hardware, people either pretended not to understand, or simply did not get the memo.
They talked about it in the video. I am sure fh3 will look damn glorious and the Scorpio won't break a sweat.
It is almost exactly what I expected it to be a year ago. Which is, a PS4 Pro + a year + $.
And that is exactly what everyone should have expected. No one should be disappointed here, MS has produced exactly the product they should and could have.
But the components they've selected point towards a very reasonable price of entry.
Aces&Eights
Member
Don't lump us Sony folks together. I haven't owned an MS product for gaming in years. If the games come out on Scorpio and are running substantially better than their Pro counterparts, I will be picking up this bad boy this holiday. It's really in the devs hands at this point to see what use they make of the horsepower.
This is more of a concern for me than price point, tbh.
I think it's the mid gen upgrade aspect. All off this sounds nice but will it truly look like a leap or will most games end up not looking much better than the Pro?
We need to see the games.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Seems like Microsoft want it to be a thing, mostly 1080p titles and to push some 900p. Imagine it will be up to the publishers and devs though.
The premise is definitely cool, but the specs were already mostly known, a lot of people don't have 4k TVs, 3rd parties might not take advantage, there won't be exclusives, we don't know price, etc. Plus the Pro is already out so we have a good idea of how incremental console upgrades work in practice now.
wesleyshark
Banned
I think 43% is the number, but either way it's a major leap. The tech is impressive.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
What happened to "multiple" videos?
Nights Owl
Member
Cool system Microsoft. Seems strong.
Now tell me the price and what new exclusives it has, if either one disappoints, no thanks. At all.
Still waiting on that MS console that actually makes me want it.
Now tell me the price and what new exclusives it has, if either one disappoints, no thanks. At all.
Still waiting on that MS console that actually makes me want it.
The game is already at 60fps but no doubt Halo 5 will be able to mostly sustain 1080p/60fps on the scorpio as is.
Dr. Zoidberg
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mattysmatts
Banned
If RDR2 is anywhere near the environmental complexity of GTAV, there's no way that Scorpio will run it at native 4k without significant compromise in other areas of visual fidelity.
As far as third-party multiplat support goes, history has shown us that the best hardware does not always mean the best version of the game. Especially when you're talking about pushing 4k on hardware that is barely capable of achieving that with a consistent framerate. Not to mention the fact that platform specific optimization with third-party multiplats doesn't happen as well as it should anymore, meaning devs are wasting power just because it's there to waste in some cases.
Also, you're fooling yourself if you think games released 5 years from now will run at native 4k on this thing without having to turn other settings way down or running at sub 30 fps. The demand for high visual fidelity will continue to get higher and devs will continue to push the envelope.
I would say, as with all things technology, that you all should temper your expectations.
Primethius
Banned
Specs wise? Not accurate. Scorpio is a big increases. In terms of user end difference, maybe?
For 1080p owners I think, the differences between Scorpio and Pro in similar games won't be all that apparent unless devs go all out with extra featuresets.
MrDanGuy
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This is quite a bit more powerful than the PRO. I don't understand how people are even saying the PRO is slightly less powerful. Sounds like they don't understand how these things work at all, and are speculating off other people's comments.
So, no games then lol
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Time to start saving up then. All that power in a console. Good God.
Obliterator
Member
I mean Forza 6 hitting native 4k 60fps with only 66% GPU usage is fucking phenomenal. That leaves room to spare to improve graphics and still be native 4k 60fps for Forza 7.
How on Earth are people downplaying it? We are talking easily the strongest console ever made and an enormous step up compared to the original Xbox One.
LastOne2100
Member
The issue though, is that even the PS4 Pro's GPU is held back by the CPU. Yes, the GPU power can offer some benefits like extra AF, Resolution bump, etc etc. But we'l still be effectively stuck at 30 fps for most games.
That being said, really excited by the potential of a next generation with actual Zen cores.
JayWood2010
Member
PS4 and XBO was not as significant of a difference as Scorpio and PS4 Pro it appears.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
"Bringing a premium, enthusiast gaming experience to everyone".
XBox Scorpio
$399.99
Fall 2017
XBox Scorpio
$399.99
Fall 2017
That's just the GPU
There's a slight bump for the CPU and a pretty hefty one for the RAM
How does Destiny sound?
JonnyDBrit
Member
According to Richard, it's what the team at Microsoft are gonna be aiming for. What that actually means in terms of dev support is somewhat unclear though, as I imagine a lot of companies just won't see the point of the effort.
That is pretty impressive if true!
th3sicknness
Member
That was what I was leaning toward.. Most the people in my group all have switched to the PS4 (from the 360). I know 1 person who bought the xbox because they wanted to play Halo and in the end was upset that the game just wasnt the same.
The Scorpio is essentially MSFT making a box that can perform to the level of the PS4, because of the inability of the standard Xbox One (obviously the Scorpio will perform better as well not just at the same level).. I didnt see anything that is going to shift an existing ps4 users tied to the ecosystem to a Scorpio.. especially if people are invested with their friends on the online aspect of ps4 network.
Well the specs turned out to be what most people thought they would end up being given the information known (which are still pretty good) but what really surprises me is the length Microsoft is going to make sure the hardware is fully optimized to run all games the best it can. From system wide down sampling, 16 AF, v-sync, to having a "boost mode" on by default and doing the due diligence to make sure this doesn't end up harming games are all pleasant surprises. When Microsoft says they want to win back developers with Project Scorpio I fully believe it.
It will be interesting to see how multi platform games take advantage of the hardware. It's been seen with PS4 Pro that this can be a mixed bag with games like Titanfall 2 taking great advantage but others like Overwatch just doing the bare minimum when it comes to their patches but I suspect this has more to do with time of release than anything. Can't wait to see what first party games can do with this hardware.
But with $499 being the suggested price is too high for me (college student and all that). But this line from the Xbox team gives me a little hope for $399
It will be interesting to see how multi platform games take advantage of the hardware. It's been seen with PS4 Pro that this can be a mixed bag with games like Titanfall 2 taking great advantage but others like Overwatch just doing the bare minimum when it comes to their patches but I suspect this has more to do with time of release than anything. Can't wait to see what first party games can do with this hardware.
But with $499 being the suggested price is too high for me (college student and all that). But this line from the Xbox team gives me a little hope for $399
So we'll see but I'm not hopeful. I'll probably end up waiting for 2018 and picking one up before Halo 6. Also might be a good graduation present to myself lol
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Accurate.
wesleyshark
Banned
Ooooo okay.
Aceofspades
Banned
1.8TF will be eaten going up to 4k, I expect a lot of "4k vs ckerboard 4k" multiplat difference. Not that generational leap some were stating at E3 last year.
Can you back that up?