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[CaviarMeths]

I think some people don't quite appreciate how incredible that statistic really is. When Mario Kart Wii launched in April 2008, Wii had been the #1 selling console worldwide for a year and a half. It had built up an install base in excess of 15 million consoles. MK8D outsold that in one day.

This is why I think anybody who says the outcome of MK8D is "obvious" or "of course it's selling this well because..." is straight up lying. It's outpacing MKW while Wii was in its prime and had an install base an order of magnitude higher than Switch. Nobody predicted that. If fact in that thread I linked up the page (dated April 28, launch day), there were people suggesting that MK8D's sales would be negatively affected by Switch stock shortages.

 

[Screamapillar]

TBF thouh that's North America only we don't know how well it did world wide in comparison, probably lower.

Lower in relation to the comparatively smaller markets that exist elsewhere. NA is the largest videogame market in the world, but that is just as true for any other game or console, ever.

 

[zeexlash]

Makes you wonder why wouldn't they port Smash Bros, just seems like a really easy decision now.

 

[Principate]

Knack Whoooooooooo?

This Knack

The same Knack the was outselling 3D World intially though was eventually surpassed.

 

[Crayon]

This fire is going to burn higher and higher as switch sells into 10, 20, 30 million.

The wii was easier to "not count" but switch is harder to write off because it's more like compeiting consoles this time around.

 

[CaviarMeths]

Makes you wonder why wouldn't they port Smash Bros, just seems like a really easy decision now.

They likely are. Probably for 2018 though. 2017 release calendar is already pretty stacked.

 

[zenspider]

Analysts are interesting to me. It was plainly obvious that Mario Kart was going to be huge because of the Switch momentum. I personally could have predicted this mega hit fairly easily but I do understand that analysts are looking at every type of company and not just video games so they wouldn't have the insiders view that nerdy GAF users would have.

This. I think the only game on Nintendo's reveal roadmap that was/is a question mark is ARMS. Also, BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey will all be "evergreen" titles, so this 'no games on Switch = MK8D sales' nonsense is moot.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Personally I don't doubt that the switch is somewhat successful right now...i have doubts in Nintendo's ability to capitalise on any kind of initial success....those are the guys who let the Wii die with dozens of millions of installed base of advantage, and the problem with third parties is still unresolved as of now (maybe e3 will bring news in this regard)

The Wii dipped (Besides the natural decline of a console after so many years) because Nintendo's focus shifted to developing for the 3DS. All of Nintendo's focus now and for the foreseeable future will be on the Switch. There's no longer a need to develop for two different platforms.

 

[Passose]

This Knack

The same Knack the was outselling 3D World intially though was eventually surpassed.

I remember there were lots of fanboys in my country believed that the game was going to be a 3D Mario killer, some of them even claimed that it was better than Galaxy 2

 

[Dr.Hadji]

I remember there were lots of fanboys in my country believed that the game was going to be a 3D Mario killer, some of them even claimed that it was better than Galaxy 2

I love it how most of these "Mario killers" aren't even platformers........

 

[Screamapillar]

This fire is going to burn higher and higher as switch sells into 10, 20, 30 million.

The Wii was easier to "not count" but switch is harder to write off because it's more like compeiting consoles this time around.

I see a lot of parallels between Wii and Switch, even though I agree that Switch is more geared towards the active, core gamer. (like me)

-They both launched with a port of a new Zelda game that also released on their predecessor

-They both launched at a higher price than their predecessor (Wii U Deluxe launched at $349, so not true for Switch)

-They both utilize motion controllers, that could be held in one hand

-They both have specs in line with that of the most recent prior console generation, rather than competing in raw horsepower

-They both are designed to have cross-over appeal with people that either no longer play videogames, or have never played videogames

So whether some or all of this wasn't intentional on Nintendo's part (which I highly doubt, they're smart people), it seems to me that it isn't just the initial trajectory of the Switch sales that is Wii-like, it is also the system itself and thought process behind it that is Wii-like.

 

[AgentP]

Yeah. Not every console launches with the best Zelda and best Mario Kart ever.

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

 

[Forkball]

I remember there were lots of fanboys in my country believed that the game was going to be a 3D Mario killer, some of them even claimed that it was better than Galaxy 2

Current Knack games in development: 1
Current Mario Galaxy games in development: 0

 

[Principate]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Yeah like GTAV?

 

[Zedark]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Please be a joke post

 

[Bronetta]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

I thought this was a joke post until I saw your post history. You really believe this garbage huh?

You know what else is a remaster? GTAV. Its also one of the best selling titles ever.

 

[Astral Dog]

That you can play on the Wii U. Not downgrading the success in terms of sales, but that's precisely the reason the analyst this thread is about was surprised: an enhanced port doing great numbers.

Nut nobody likes the Wii U. Nintendo got lucky with these games.Switch is basically a relaunch of the U

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Yeah like GTAV?

Nah, like The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and the Nathan Drake Collection.

 

[Principate]

Nah, like The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and the Nathan Drake Collection.

It's funny this gen was litterally remaster central There's like 30-40+ of them anounced or out and more to come.

 

[Mr.Deadshot]

The wii was easier to "not count" but switch is harder to write off because it's more like compeiting consoles this time around.

It really isn't. It's a powerful handheld and the hybrid function is awesome. But from a home-console point of view it feels very last-gen. Just like Wii and Wii U and especially when compared to PS4 Pro and Scorpio.

I see a lot of parallels between Wii and Switch, even though I agree that Switch is more geared towards the active, core gamer. (like me)

Wii had great "core" games. I don't see how Switch is "more geared towards the active core gamer". Lots of shovelware does not diminish the quality of the good games.

 

[Nanashrew]

It's funny this gen was litterally remaster central There's like 30-40+ of them anounced or out and more to come.

Someone should round up all the complaint threads over all the remasters on PS4 and Xbox One.

 

[Principate]

It really isn't. It's a powerful handheld and the hybrid function is awesome. But from a home-console point of view it feels very last-gen. Just like Wii and Wii U and especially when compared to PS4 Pro and Scorpio.

Wii had great "core" games. I don't see how Switch is "more geared towards the active core gamer". Lots of shovelware does not diminish the quality of the good games.

Switch relies more on Nintendoes "core Ip's" the wii had plenty of wii ... moniker's which it sold a ton and helped push the system along with the usual core games.

The switch seemingly relies on every single heavy hitter Nintendo has managed to create under the sun including the giant that is pokemon as that seems to explain the insane attach ratio's.

Someone should round up all the complaint threads over all the remasters on PS4 and Xbox One.

Does someone have time for that, there was a lot.

 

[kitchenmotors]

I thought this was a joke post until I saw your post history. You really believe this garbage huh?

You know what else is a remaster? GTAV. Its also one of the best selling titles ever.

This post history is trash.

Best to ignore him.

 

[Starphoenix]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

This is a really silly take when publishers republish games all the time. Nintendo has plenty of new games coming. Shoot, they even have a new IP launching next month.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

 

[DecoReturns]

This is a really silly take when publishers republish games all the time. Nintendo has plenty of new games coming. Shoot, they even have a new IP launching next month.

Technically, Switch even launched with a New IP: Snipperclips

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

shake it like a salt shaker

 

[jman2050]

Technically, Switch even launched with a New IP: Snipperclips

Don't be silly, Nintendo just does endless rehashes and doesn't make new IPs anymore, except for the ones that they do make.

 

[timetokill]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Excess sodium increases blood pressure because it holds excess fluid in the body, and that creates an added burden on the heart. Too much sodium will increase your risk of stroke, heart failure, osteoporosis, stomach cancer and kidney disease. And, 1 in 3 Americans will develop high blood pressure in their lifetime.

 

[Passose]

Current Knack games in development: 1
Current Mario Galaxy games in development: 0

hah, fair enough

 

[Boy Wander]

Can we not post Knack gifs? Nobody needs reminding that the monstrosity is the shittiest designed game character since Clayfighters 64.

 

[AdventureRacing]

They likely are. Probably for 2018 though. 2017 release calendar is already pretty stacked.

I don't really get this. 2017 isn't stacked at all and could easily use a couple more big games. They'll continue selling into 2018 anyway so I don't see it being too harmful. I'm sure we'll see another game or 2 from Nintendo this year and there will still be plenty to come next year.

 

[BassForever]

Current Knack games in development: 1
Current Mario Galaxy games in development: 0

Got em

 

[Skittzo0413]

I sure am glad I bought some more NTDOY shares last fall after selling and making some nice money in July. I was one of the people who knew MK8D would be huge, but honestly I really doubt anyone would've predicted these day 1 sales being higher than those of MKWii. It'll be interesting to see lifetime sales, although I think a bundle will be happening sooner rather than later and will inflate those sales .

 

[Principate]

I don't really get this. 2017 isn't stacked at all and could easily use a couple more big games. They'll continue selling into 2018 anyway so I don't see it being too harmful. I'm sure we'll see another game or 2 from Nintendo this year and there will still be plenty to come next year.

They only really need Pokemon this year if that have it development assuming the rumors are correct. If the plan to maintain the first party a month ish schedule, Animal Crossing, Metroid, Smash Bros etc should be coming next year ish. were they'll be more needed if third parties don't pull through.

 

[K' Dash]

never mind, he's actually in the game, I don't use Donkey Kong at all lol

you're missing out, breh.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Why don't they deserve the success?

You're not making sense.

Does Sony not deserve the success for rereleasing The Last of Us on PS4 not even a year after it's been released on PS3?

Does Microsoft not deserve the success for giving us the Rare Replay collection?

I don't think you thought this through.

Instead you choose to be salty because two games, one of which was released at the same time as the last-gen version and the other released almost exactly 3 years after the last-gen version, sell more on the new console than they did on the old one.

What exactly is your problem here?

 

[CaviarMeths]

I don't really get this. 2017 isn't stacked at all and could easily use a couple more big games. They'll continue selling into 2018 anyway so I don't see it being too harmful. I'm sure we'll see another game or 2 from Nintendo this year and there will still be plenty to come next year.

No matter what way you slice it, Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Super Mario, and (probably) Pokemon is an incredibly stacked year for Nintendo. That's basically every big gun they have except Animal Crossing and Smash. They've never had a launch year like that before. The rest of their release schedule for the year is probably going to be smaller titles and 3rd parties.

 

[K' Dash]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Really? this generation is PLAGUED by remasters and HD collections, if I were you I would think a little bit before posting a stupid flawed argument like yours.

 

[Phatosaurus]

Technically, Switch even launched with a New IP: Snipperclips

But it's an eShop title, so basically an indie game and they don't count.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Christberg]

I always knew it was going to sell well. We're talking about a very, very good game with huge pent up demand due to it being released on a dead system.

Wouldn't be surprised if it cleared another 10 million.

 

[ramparter]

This is why I think anybody who says the outcome of MK8D is "obvious" or "of course it's selling this well because..." is straight up lying. It's outpacing MKW while Wii was in its prime and had an install base an order of magnitude higher than Switch. Nobody predicted that. If fact in that thread I linked up the page (dated April 28, launch day), there were people suggesting that MK8D's sales would be negatively affected by Switch stock shortages.

When MKW released Mario Kart wasnt that big. That was when the series became Nintendos biggest ip probably. Sorry I agree MK8D is doing exceptionally good but I totally expected it to have the biggest launch in series.

 

[AdventureRacing]

They only really need Pokemon this year if that have it development assuming the rumors are correct. If the plan to maintain the first party a month ish schedule, Animal Crossing, Metroid, Smash Bros etc should be coming next year ish. were they'll be more needed if third parties don't pull through.

Adding Pokemon makes a huge difference to the first year line-up and would do wonders for the switch. It would signal that this is for sure the follow up to their handheld consoles and would really encourage migration to the switch.

IMO they need at least one more big game this year whether that be Pokemon, smash whatever. Smaller titles and 3rd parties helping to fill the gaps would help a lot too.

No matter what way you slice it, Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Super Mario, and (probably) Pokemon is an incredibly stacked year for Nintendo. That's basically every big gun they have except Animal Crossing and Smash. They've never had a launch year like that before. The rest of their release schedule for the year is probably going to be smaller titles and 3rd parties.

As of right now though there isn't much coming from 3rd parties. Also as of right now Pokemon isn't in the line-up, if it's announced that would massively bolster their SW line-up this holidays.

My opinion is that this E3 we'll see at least 1-2 more big games from Nintendo this year. Hopefully 3rd parties step up and add some games to the lineup. I think we'll start seeing 3rd parties jump on board at E3.

 

[Greddleok]

Come on Switch. Just 2 more good, big games and I'll be in.

 

[Principate]

When MKW released Mario Kart wasnt that big. That was when the series became Nintendos biggest ip probably. Sorry I agree MK8D is doing exceptionally good but I totally expected it to have the biggest launch in series.

No it didn't or did you completely forget about MK DS? I'll remind you it sold 23 million worldwide and launched in 2005. 3 years before MK Wii

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

When MKW released Mario Kart wasnt that big. That was when the series became Nintendos biggest ip probably. Sorry I agree MK8D is doing exceptionally good but I totally expected it to have the biggest launch in series.

If you said it you like one in a million

 

[AdventureRacing]

When MKW released Mario Kart wasnt that big. That was when the series became Nintendos biggest ip probably. Sorry I agree MK8D is doing exceptionally good but I totally expected it to have the biggest launch in series.

Mario kart has always been a big seller. It had been close to if not the biggest selling game on every Nintendo console since the 64 (can't remember how the snes version sold). Sure it peaked on the wii but it was hardly a small franchise before that, the user base of the wii just allowed it to sell to a bigger audience.

Stating after the fact that you totally expected it to outsell the wii version when literally no one predicted that (not even the craziest predictions) is prettt hard to swallow.

 

[aBarreras]

This Knack

The same Knack the was outselling 3D World intially though was eventually surpassed.

on the UK for a week

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

You just don't get it. It's not about being meaningful or starving or whatever narrative you're trying to create here.

It's Mario Kart. People buy consoles for this game. People bought a Switch for this game. People bought Switches for all the games Nintendo showed off in January. We're talking a console with Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario, and Xenoblade. No one buys a console for only one game, if they wanted Zelda that much, they would've bought a Wii U, and the same applies to MK8D. Please stop trivializing a game's sales. That's just lame.

Of course, regardless of that, a success is a success and selling as well as this game did deserves praise, not being called "dumb." Save your drive by posts for something else.

Drive by post? 🤔

Of course it's about meaningful release are platform exclusive/Nintendo games not meaningful? Is Mario Kart not a meaningful release? If you took Zelda out of the Switch's launch without another major Nintendo series in its place would the Switch had sold nearly as well as it did in its first month? If your answer is "no" then people bought it for one game instead of waiting for the library of Nintendo games to get bigger. Buying a new platform on the *promise* of what's to come is incredibly foolish, I've learned that from past experience. Why would anyone in 2017 buy the dead system that is the WiiU or hell the last two or three years buy a WiiU for Zelda when the writing was already on the wall for the console and that Nintendo was probably going to pull a Twilight Princess with it? How am I trivializing game sales by calling Mario Kart a meaningful release? I'm calling this guy's hyperbole dumb and it is. It's fucking Mario Kart and they always sell really well.

You seem emotionally invested in this.

Even on Wii U MK8 was able to move 8.3 million units. It's a very popular series no matter what, whether there are tons of games like on the Wii or DS where it sold nearly 40 million, each, or on a new console. It's a series people love and will buy a console for.

Yes, people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, this is well established.

Except for the WiiU it seems, how many of those 8.3 million people who bought a WiiU after MK8 and bought the game at the same time? It looks more like most buy the platform for other things and then get Mario Kart because they're typically really good while for some it may be a tipping point to buying a Nintendo platform. I know I bought Mario Kart with the last Nintendo platform I bought but I didn't buy it specifically FOR Mario Kart.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Both games made for the previous console. They don't deserve success, they deserve to to fail for the lack of SW and charging for the same games over and over.

Not every game needs Star Wars in it.