You're misunderstanding my point, a Wii U and a PS4 play different libraries of games. If you could only open the browser on the iPhone Pro versus not being able to on the normal iPhone or something I would understand it.
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iPhone 8 should cost $1,500?
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You're misunderstanding my point, a Wii U and a PS4 play different libraries of games. If you could only open the browser on the iPhone Pro versus not being able to on the normal iPhone or something I would understand it.
Kurt Angle
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doing all those activities i mentioned on an iphone 5s and an iphone 7 is a bigger difference than playing a ps3 remaster. and when that performance is with you throughout the entire day on every productive activity instead of just entertainment it's does matter
the questions you're asking "what difference does it make" are the same questions my mom asks when i buy new gen console and turn it on for the first time. then she laughs at the price of that toy telling me to grow up
Pagusas
Elden Member
And your miss understand everyone else's point. Why buy a Lexus over a Toyota? Both will get you from point A to B. Why do you buy a PS4 pro instead of a ps4? Same Library. One plays things better/faster/nicer. So you decide if the better experience is worth the higher price. It's not like their aren't options for you if you decide $1500 is too much for a marginally better experience. But I feel you are also thinking everyone see's $1500 as a lot of money, some do, some don't. My wife and I would have no issue getting two 8's for 12-1500 each, because it's literally the device we use most and not enjoy it. We both have good careers and budget every month for fun stuff like that. Is it really worth $3-500 ish more than say a 7s? Who knows, likely not. But it's a luxury and we like our luxuries
Mr.Shrugglesã
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Gruber, always bringing the tech world together.
QuantumZebra
Member
Going off history, that is a horrible comparison.
Unless an "iPhone Pro" goes batshit crazy in the specs department, there will be a more powerful Android phone either out already or in a few months for half the price.
shira
Member
You have the latest model that is [insert Apple stats] thinner and [insert Apple stats] faster than the previous generation with a camera that is [insert Apple stats] better
Well, one issue is you're comparing subsidized pricing to unsubsidized (what we're discussing in this thread).
$300-400 phones on 2 year contracts were ~$800-900 phones, for comparison.
Kurt Angle
Member
there's a more powerful gaming pc out there already
soon you'll be able to make one double the power of a ps4 pro with outdated cheap pc parts. what's your point?
just like you want a playstation and sony sells you a shiny new one, the general public want their iphones and apple will give it to them
QuantumZebra
Member
I don't want to interrupt you smelling your own farts, but thinking people don't buy Apple because they can't afford it is the most egotistical, misguided, and idiotic bullshit I've ever heard.
I know dudes who forego getting a car to buy a new MacBook.
Similarly I could buy Apple's entire lineup outright and would never, because they're overpriced under performing status symbol trash. And iOS is a horrid walled garden.
That's my opinion, naturally, but benchmarks and price/performance comparisons are on my side.
Well you won't find an argument from me there. It just boggles my mind how hard folks white knight for a company that sucks every penny they can out if everyone and manufactures it for pennies on the dollar in terrible Chinese factories.
I'd be happy to.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-7-vs-galaxy-s7-edge/
S7 has twice the RAM, twice the battery life, more powerful chipset, and is 1440p vs. Sub HD. It's not even close.
Oh and to boot the S8 is the real competitor for the iPhone 7. Samsung is a ~half Gen ahead.
Can you show us? I'm curious.
apple has been like, a full year ahead of the entire industry in performance since 2013
QuantumZebra
Member
Half the battery life, half the RAM, 750p LCD vs 1440p SAMOLED, hell the S7 is even rated higher for water resistance. I wish people would research before posting.
Sure people are allowed to do that. That's not what you did though. You said you don't care about the thread topic. That's shitposting. ¯_(ツ
_/¯I already know the answer to this and it's a quite an easy one to anyone who follows phone tech at all. So I'm going to let you do the work and find support that shows that the S8 and/or S7 out perform iPhone 7. Good luck providing the receipts.
(I've owned a snapdragon S7 and currently own an S7 Edge - Exynos version FYI)
Sure people are allowed to do that. That's not what you did though. You said you don't care about the thread topic. That's shitposting. ¯_(ツ
That was literally my first post in this thread.
Hey. I'm still waiting.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Well yeah. It's better for some people to pay $36 a month instead of the full $880 right up front. That's what I would be paying after 2 years which also includes AppleCare+.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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Bustanen
Member
Fixed. These things cost peanuts to make.
For the vast majority of the market, capitalism has and will continue to lower prices and increase features.
QuantumZebra
Member
Did you just not read anything I said?
Mr.Shrugglesツ;242939547 said:
Ahhhh so that's the ticket to saying the iPhone 7 is better. The only problem is you're comparing at best a 1080p display to a 1440p SAMOLED. One requires more horsepower to produce similar numbers due to resolution and size, but that wouldn't fit the pro Apple narrative I guess?
I'm not seeing any benchmarks here that you promised. Can you show me the benchmarks, please?
You edited your post.
Damn you're a genius, why doesn't everyone make them if it's so easy?
QuantumZebra
Member
I thought we were talking which phone is better, not which one posts slightly higher Antutu benches. And the S7 Edge still wins when you factor in the iPhone 7s lower resolution and screen size. Sorry.
I see reading comprehension is still an issue here. When you adjust for iPhones weaker screen and resolution the S7 Edge outperforms it, much less it's competitor the S8.
Were we? Because your literal words were: "benchmarks and price/performance comparisons are on my side." I wanted to see you back that statement up.
Not sure what you mean by taking away the lower resolution and screen size?
He's talking out of his ass.
Saphire is indeed more scratch resistant than glass. It's also more brittle which means it's easier to crack.
Can you back this statement up? I believe GPU benchmarks allow you to set a custom resolution so there's a level playing field. Can you show me that benchmark with a fixed resolution?
And of course, as you know, CPU benchmarks aren't dependent on the size or resolution of your screen.
Kurt Angle
Member
you still haven't posted a single benchmark showing something outperforming the iphone 7
and are now moving the goal post
I should have expected the "SPECS ARE BETTER" argument. This is what happens when you don't read from tech sites that have do in-depth technical analysis and meaningful comparisons like Anandtech and GSMArena.
Your ram comparison is quite embarrassing. I don't even want to waste my time explaining why, so I'll leave you with a video example.
If you want a quick summary of reality here it is:
iPhone's have always been the best benchmarking phones for a number of years. This is also seen in real life usage. Performance is more consistent in regular use and gaming (less dropped frames). Even with its RAM, it can hold more storage due to iOS design and Apple's optimization of hardware with software.
Battery life on the S7 Edge Exynos is some of the best of all flagship phones. It's better than it's snapdragon counter part by 15-20%. iPhone's tend to have better web browsing battery life, but are usually not capable of as long as idle battery life time (unless a a rogue android app screws everything up).
Camera's on both phones are among the best. Whichever is preferred comes to user preference. Some may prefer iPhone 7+ because of the dual camera capabilities.
Samsung has the industry leading display with it's high resolution OLED.
Your Entertainer
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The A10 chipset is still imo the best. Per core performance was so far ahead of the 2016 Qualcomm offerings it wasn't even funny, and it even blows the doors off the 2017 Qualcomm flagships found in the s8. I doubt the 2018 flagship will catch it in single core performance either. Anybody saying the S7 was more powerful is simply full of it or supremely ignorant.
Besides that, falling into the ignorant "higher ghz/numbers = better" trap is thoroughly lame. The entire point of specs is to provide a better user experience - despite the RAM differences, the iPhone 7 has a much smoother UI , runs games much better, still has faster storage, keeps apps in memory better, and compounds its advantage in many apps due to them simply being better on iOS period. That goes for the S7 and S8. They have their advantages, but performance - both by benchmarks and in the real world - is most certainly not one of them.
I should clarify, I meant that I think it's super weird that some people fetishise Apple's profit margin, not fetishise the company itself. I mean, I think it's probably not very healthy to fetishise giant companies, but I totally understand why people do so with Apple (and others). I know I'm a "fan" of certain companies (including Apple), but going to the point of caring about their profit margins is very weird unless you are someone running their business, or say if you have significant stock investment.
That's obviously not for me to decide, and if people will pay it and they have no qualms selling for such exorbitant prices then that is their perogative. I just feel like at a certain point, when literally 40% of your seven hundred dollar plus product is pure profit, it just feels exploitative. It's not like this is a very cheap product that has to mark up a large margin to be able to make any money. This is several hundred dollars of simply "we can get away with it, so we will."
Mr.Shrugglesã
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A car with less horse power that's faster than another because of a lightweight space grade aluminium is still faster.
Performance, right?
¯_(ツ
_/¯
QuantumZebra
Member
I'll ignore your rude shitpost Apple white knighting and address reality.
The S7 clowns the iPhone in RAM, screen, has x2 the battery life, higher water resistance, etc.
Pure performance? Ignoring adjusting for screen size and resolution must be nice.
BRB gonna compare Nvidia vs AMD chipset with the AMD running over x2 the resolution on a bigger screen.
Mr.Shrugglesツ;242940333 said:A car with less horse power that's faster than another because of a lightweight space grade aluminium is still faster.
Performance, right?
¯_(ツ
This is why I avoid Apple threads. People will ignore every aspect of the phones except for one benchmark that isn't even equal. It's like putting a Subaru on the line against a muscle car and saying the muscle car is clearly better because of that one benchmark, when the Subaru has an engine half the size in order to so better in other areas.
One does everything well, the other beats it in exactly one area, and it's not even a fair comparison... but somehow that one area supersedes everything else.
Aztechnology
Member
No way in hell. I'll just continue along with Samsung if they do that. Samsung Pay is awesome, the OLED/HDR/Battery life is what I really care about, I can do everything I want on here, I was just considering switching for family reasons, but over $1000 is plain silly. You better have a Micro SD, heapdhone Jack and fucking special concierge line for me to even begin considering that. Buying a Mac for IOS development already pissed me off enough considering how much work I had to do to get a 15" 256GB pro for $2000. Their margins are absolutely silly.
Phones get replaced far too quickly nowadays for phones to be at those prices. After a year you typically lose 50% of your phones value. Diminishing returns keep too damn high.
Phones get replaced far too quickly nowadays for phones to be at those prices. After a year you typically lose 50% of your phones value. Diminishing returns keep too damn high.
You really are embarrassing yourself, LMAO.
Half the battery life is measurably and objectively false, screen res and water resistance have nothing to do with performance or power, and there's no practical situation where the 2 and 3GB of RAM the current iPhones have is even being remotely tested.
In nearly every benchmark and real-world performance comparison, my previous statement is absolutely correct.
Muppet of a Man
Member
Fuck this shit. Buying last gen's flagship at heavily discounted prices ($150 to $200) is the only way to go.
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Deleted member 22576
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This phone is making everyone crazy!
Hey buddy. I talked about adjusting for screen resolution in benchmarks. Check it out here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242940187&postcount=282
And you're totally right that the S7 has more ram, more dots on its screen, and bettery water resistance. But this "x2 battery life" claim you're not going by just the size of their batteries, right? Since each run a different OS, the better comparison are battery tests rather than battery sizes.
Bustanen
Member
Current iPhones cost maybe $200 to make? Slapping an oled display won't make much of a difference. $1500 is fucking highway robbery.
Uno Venova
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Is this an admission that Android phones perform worse? Since you're including this "when you adjust for screen size" disclaimer?
QuantumZebra
Member
Oh really?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-7-vs-galaxy-s7-edge/
Battery 1,960mAh, 14 hours talk time on 3G 3,600mAh, 27 hours talk time on 3G
I'm sorry, jeez, I was off by one hour.
Yea... As you can see above it ain't me white knighting and being wrong at the same time. Sorry bucko.
What a thread. A combination of people who think that spending they are the more rational ones spending $1,000 on a phone because they have some deep understanding of it's value oppose to those who refuse to pay that much.
Then we have to dude who is championing specs over actual performance because he has a fucking persecution complex about his phone choice and has never read one technical iPhone review from Anandtech in his life.
Then we have to dude who is championing specs over actual performance because he has a fucking persecution complex about his phone choice and has never read one technical iPhone review from Anandtech in his life.
PS4 pro performance must suck on these 55 TVs, 27 monitor players stay winning
Yup. It's been an......interesting last few pages. I can't even tell you why it's happening.