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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally

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Abstrusity

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hipsterpants said:
Isn't the under-18 age group in the US already majority-minority? These Nazi fucks already lost.
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How do you figure? They could just start killing people. That hardly seems like "they lost," to me -- in fact, that means they have us by the short hairs. If we respond with violence without pushing all the way through and pulling them out root and branch, then they can categorize everything we do against them as indicative of the whole while everything they do against us as false flags, lies, and mentally ill loners.

They win the propaganda war, the law is on their side because the law won't do shit on its own, and they can slowly bleed us until they keep full control.

Honestly, I don't believe there is a way without violence. Propaganda be damned, every last one of these dogs deserves the only cure for late stage rabies.

We as a society are only better than this if we stop it before it happens. Otherwise, we as a society, are our lowest common denominator -- and that's them.
 
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Stoop Man

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benjipwns said:
The state had already failed. Weimar Germany was effectively in civil war with paramilitaries of the parties openly battling in the streets. The government was so divided it ruled by decree as it could not form legitimate governments with two anti-democratic parties in the Communists and Nazi's holding a majority in the legislature. This had further tarred the democratic parties as they weren't governing through democratic means anyway and were active forces in the street battles rather than upholding a neutral rule of law.

The Nazi's essentially won the civil war then retroactively put a legal stamp on it.

The American state is quite strong and supported by a system of distributed power bases that never existed in Germany. The continuance of state power from W. to Obama to Trump has been quite remarkable especially as the government and its central personnel have swung wildly about.

The Nazi Party was a powerful force operating as effectively a counter-state in waiting. These disorganized and easily identifiable pockets of racism arming themselves at Pier One are hardly a comparable threat.

They are certainly not worth starting a counter paramilitary to first deploy coordinated and extensive violence, especially aimed obliquely against the government and state, as members in this thread happily advocate from the warm glow of a fairly stable society.
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I'm quoting this so people have a second chance to read it. The reemergence of far right wing groups in America is scary, but we are a far, far cry from post WWI Germany.

Hell, at that time the USA had a small fascist party. We had a resurgent KKK at the height of their power. But our democratic institutions still held, and three decades later we passed the biggest round of civil rights legislation since womens' suffrage.
 
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Xando

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Kusagari said:
Well then.
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This is nothing.

Watch this:

https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896349016929206272
https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896365259258200068

benjipwns said:
The state had already failed. Weimar Germany was effectively in civil war with paramilitaries of the parties openly battling in the streets. The government was so divided it ruled by decree as it could not form legitimate governments with two anti-democratic parties in the Communists and Nazi's holding a majority in the legislature. This had further tarred the democratic parties as they weren't governing through democratic means anyway and were active forces in the street battles rather than upholding a neutral rule of law.

The Nazi's essentially won the civil war then retroactively put a legal stamp on it.

The American state is quite strong and supported by a system of distributed power bases that never existed in Germany. The continuance of state power from W. to Obama to Trump has been quite remarkable especially as the government and its central personnel have swung wildly about.

The Nazi Party was a powerful force operating as effectively a counter-state in waiting. These disorganized and easily identifiable pockets of racism arming themselves at Pier One are hardly a comparable threat.

They are certainly not worth starting a counter paramilitary to first deploy coordinated and extensive violence, especially aimed obliquely against the government and state, as members in this thread happily advocate from the warm glow of a fairly stable society.
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I'm not saying the US is literally germany 1930 but there are a lot of similiarities.

The political system is effectively crippled with republicans not capable of getting anything done, other than a SC judge the only changes the president made were by decree (EO) and you have racial and social tension exploding all over the country.

As i said america is not at a point of germany in november 1932 but it might currently going down on a way there.

The GOP is taking lots of steps to change the democratic system in their favor and you have parts of the country (including the president) trying to illegitimize the 2016 election with their millions of fake votes narrative.
As long as there is no pushback from the GOP the alt-right will only grow.
 
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Abstrusity said:
How do you figure? They could just start killing people. That hardly seems like "they lost," to me -- in fact, that means they have us by the short hairs. If we respond with violence without pushing all the way through and pulling them out root and branch, then they can categorize everything we do against them as indicative of the whole while everything they do against us as false flags, lies, and mentally ill loners.

They win the propaganda war, the law is on their side because the law won't do shit on its own, and they can slowly bleed us until they keep full control.

Honestly, I don't believe there is a way without violence. Propaganda be damned, every last one of these dogs deserves the only cure for late stage rabies.

We as a society are only better than this if we stop it before it happens. Otherwise, we as a society, are our lowest common denominator -- and that's them.
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In a country of over 300,000, how many white supremacists do you think there are?
 
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benjipwns

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Squirrel Killer said:
On a Twitter video I saw, several of these d-bags had shields with the Detroit Red Wings logo on them. I can't imagine these were on sale next to the tiki torch summer blow-out, has the alt-right appropriated that logo?
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Maybe they think Gordie Howe was an alt-right wing.

BOO THIS MAN! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
 
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Hubbl3

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Xando said:
This is nothing.

Watch this:

https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896349016929206272
https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896365259258200068
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Wat
 
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Abstrusity

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Stoop Man said:
In a country of over 300,000, how many white supremacists do you think there are?
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Too many, that's how many. In a country of 300 million, how many white supremacists do you think there are? How many are going to travel the country looking for people to kill because "muh 14/88," how many people are in positions of power where they can categorically deny opportunity to everyone who doesn't think like them? Their bloodletting isn't only limited to violent acts, either -- law enforcement, employment, THIS administration and many government agencies, local, state, and federal.

They happily exist, doing what they're doing, for the glory of their master race, in every nook and cranny.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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The one guys flag with the Red Wings logo says "Rust Reforged" on it but not finding anything on the Googles. Not finding anything really about it.
 
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jack_package_200

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Demonstrations like this continue to undermine the stupidity of HBO for thinking a show like Confederate would cool.

The fact that white supremacists can openly do demonstrations shows that reality is in fact very real
 
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LegendofJoe

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Stoop Man said:
I'm quoting this so people have a second chance to read it. The reemergence of far right wing groups in America is scary, but we are a far, far cry from post WWI Germany.

Hell, at that time the USA had a small fascist party. We had a resurgent KKK at the height of their power. But our democratic institutions still held, and three decades later we passed the biggest round of civil rights legislation since womens' suffrage.
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Unfortunately, this ignores the socioeconomic factors that created the foundation for extremism to thrive. Germany's economy was wrecked for an entire generation at the conclusion of WW1.

And the US is in dangerous territory when it comes to the financial wellbeing of its citizens. The majority have no savings. It won't take much to push tens of millions over the edge.

Now is not the time to think that this is a transitory pushback that our institutions will handle, not when people who share their views are in control of the government and we are doing nothing to strengthen the safety net that increasingly more people will need. We are instead strengthening the breeding ground for extremism. Now is the time to act before it's too late.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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Okay, the group with the black guy and Red Wings logos is Vanguard America. But I can't find any explanation for the Red Wings logos.

They have some interesting posters for sale or free:
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sphagnum

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The red wings thing has to be some kind of joke, like a play on right wing + red because that's the color the right is associated with in America.
 
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Hubbl3

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benjipwns

benjipwns

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Sorry guys, you might not be eligible for membership:
REQUIREMENTS:

You must be of at least 80% White/European heritage
No homosexuals, transsexual, adulterers, or any other form of sexual degeneracy
No felons, criminals
No hand/neck tattoos (exceptions possible)
No addictions of any kind (pornography, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc.)
No lifestyle choices that do not reflect our values
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This is the leader:
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Protein

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Why is it when white supremacists hold rallies that they always contain people that are the thin layer of crust scraped off the bottom of the barrel of the gene pool? Some of these people look like peeled potatoes in military gear. Nazi Germany would have 'cleansed' them just like the rest of us.
 
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