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Possible terrorist attack in Cambrils (Cataluña, Spain)
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hydrophilic attack
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Sounds like a nonsense explanation to me tbqh
High and persistent youth unemployment sounds much more plausible
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
It's great that they got them before the bastards caused any further damage.
Spain had a rough day.
hans_castorp
Member
Some really graphics videos over Twitter right now.
You can see the bodies lying on the floor and the explosives.
La Ser says at least 5 civilians were injured.
You can see the bodies lying on the floor and the explosives.
La Ser says at least 5 civilians were injured.
If the terrorists are from Spain, sure (and still doubt that's the reason). Spanish youth who are unemployed don't tend to do this... at all.
We have had Islamic terrorist attacks based on the reason I wrote earlier, before, so it's not nonsense. Obviously they don't expect to get Spain back, but to cause damage and have that as the reason behind it.
There are tons of Spanish youth who are unemployed and don't turn to Islamist attacks.
BrassDragon
Member
ISIS propaganda outlet Amaq often tries to link these attack locations into some grander history or symbolism but in reality, they are just unable to strike at any of the real symbols of western/secular power they would like to hit. Instead, they just whip young people all across the world into a frenzy and try to manage the timings of their eventual attacks as best they can. More often than not, Amaq is just as surprised as the rest of us when their crazies go on the mach.
There is no masterplan here, they are hateful idiots with a violent message that keeps finding an audience. Don't give them too much credit.
There is no masterplan here, they are hateful idiots with a violent message that keeps finding an audience. Don't give them too much credit.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Ok, I didn't know that.
But did the attackers in these cases grow up in Spain, even if they happened to be Muslim? If so, the cause I suggested was still likely a very important contributing factor
Seems far fetched, how can they claim Spain with scattered attacks? This is to spread Terror pure an simple, Daesh are crumbling, brave men/women in Iraq are pulverising them, experts seem to believe this is a desperate (still deadly) attempt to let the world know they're still a significant threat.
Eh, don't know really. As far as I know, they haven't said who the terrorists were, but the van attack earlier and this one (and hopefully that's it...) are probably somewhat connected so the chances of it being something religion-related is more probable.
As I said earlier, it's not like they realistically expect to get it back. They just use it as one more reason to target Spain.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Of course. But this kind of rotten violent ideology spreads so much more easily in times of economic stagnation. Whether it's nazis in rural bumfuck America or islamist terrorists from poor European suburbs
Pancake Mix
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It's a nonsense explanation to pretend this tradegy and others like it had nothing to do with religion and the resulting nutjobs.
High and persistent youth unemployment is less of a thing in the UK, France, and Germany, but tragically this still happens
Don't think this is the reason at all. ISIS declared war on a bunch of countries that carry or help carry attacks against them. Spain is one of the countries that help the coalition.
That doesnt sound like a strong motive (if there is one), they cant even secure regions in ME, let alone coming after Spain.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I'm sure high and persistent youth unemployment is present in certain burbs in UK, France and Germany.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
ISIS does not operate like a regular army, and this wasn't centrally planned by a hyerarchy.
Anyone who's enough of a fanatic and who has a van and a couple of illegally obtained guns and explosives can do an attack like this.
The question is finding out about the radicalisation and stopping it first, but the radicalisation really happens over the Internet nowadays.
Pancake Mix
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No doubt, but let's be real. It's scum who've brainwashed by religious extremism. That's the underlying cause, not Spain's economic difficulties.
It is one of their few reasons at least. Again, not like they expect to accomplish anything, but more like "and about you, Spain. We owned you before, so you get shit as well". The ISIS declaring war on countries that carry or help carry attacks is also a motive, definitely. I don't think what I said is not a thing anymore (it used to be at least back some 10 years ago).
Relaxed Muscle
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For context, aside from the hate to western culture and all, ISIS wants to "reconquer Al-Andalus", for centuries a great part of Spain (and Portugal) was muslim territory. Then a slow but steady conquer process started by near christian kingdoms, until muslims where finally expulsed from the peninsula in 1492.
Yep, I know about Spain's Islamic past, I mean I still saw some of the influence when I visited Spain (cuisine, architecture in the south, music, some of the people look Middle eastern) and I can see why Daesh would try to drum up the past to energise it's combatants, though (like you did mention) more then likely its current affairs that drives them supplemented with twisted sense of the past.
The Living Tribunal
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Spain is a territory previously under muslim occupation, it took the christian kingdoms nearly 8 centuries to regain control of the peninsula. Those wackos see Spain as a lost caliphate occupied by ham-loving infidels, so it makes sense they want to attack it.
Edit: beaten
mmazurkiewicz
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wow my parents are going to this resort in 2 weeks.
They'll be fine. Places that have been attacked usually have really good security measurements for a while after that. So you shouldn't be worried at all.
13 dead, over 100 hurt. the 28 yo Maroccan man everyone has plastered over the net is saying his brother stole his ID. He has nothing to do it and went to the police himself.
Police have said that they have killed another cell of terrorist planning to attack in Cambrils.
You can check twitter but I warn you some really graphics pictures and videos are floating around.
RIP
Police have said that they have killed another cell of terrorist planning to attack in Cambrils.
You can check twitter but I warn you some really graphics pictures and videos are floating around.
RIP
tomwhite2004
Member
Nothing new unfortunately, for example...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
They seem not to care who they attack, a long as it's an easy target. They're cowards, and today's Spain's turn to face their cowardice.
Oh man. I was at school that day and we were wondering why a few classmates didn't arrive yet. Thankfully none was hurt, but two of them were one train behind the one that exploded, and a few other classmates were on a line where they had to change trains at that station. What a hot mess..
It's one of the few terrorist attacks where I can fully remember the whole day (same with 9/11 when I watched it at home on my small TV).
Thankfully the attacks today are nowhere near the same scale.
David Ricardo
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Most of Spain was under control of the muslims in the year 711. The reconquista (conquer back) process started in the north of Spain in 722. It took until 1492 to take back the whole Iberian peninsula. Now ISIS wants Spain back for them.
Spaced Harrier
Member
Fuck religion.
These attacks, the lack of any guiding logic, sensible achievable goal, just makes it so much worse.
These attacks, the lack of any guiding logic, sensible achievable goal, just makes it so much worse.
kaname-san
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Most of Spain was under control of the muslims in the year 711. The reconquista (conquer back) process started in the north of Spain in 722. It took until 1492 to take back the whole Iberian peninsula. Now ISIS wants Spain back for them.
I see. Thanks for including that map too.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Why would they be going after anything? There's no logic to them.
With that said, France, England, presumably Germany, are in a state of high alert, lots of armed men on the streets to keep the public safe. One of my buddies recently visited Paris and was telling me the amount of armed men out there. Spain hadn't suffered a terrorist like this in sometime, so presumably they weren't on high alert, making for an easier target. Just a guess though.
Pankratous
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Glad this attack was pretty much stopped before it spiraled out of control.
How does that explain individuals who are unemployed and not Islamic?
Spain was attacked because it was a soft Western target full of tourists. Let's keep this simple despite the history.
Relaxed Muscle
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Still one victim is in critical condition. Hope they all make it.
Bur clearly the fast police intervention stopped it before it could be way worse.
Why would it be easier? Spain's police and intelligence forces have decades of experience handling terrorism. Up until now dozens of people planning to conduct terrorist attacks on Spanish soil had been stopped and arrested. So no, no "easy target".
Acidote
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Barcelona was part of Al Andalus for quite some time (i.e. Umayyad Caliphate). All of the Iberian Peninsula but the northwesternmost part was part of Al Andalus. So in their sicks minds that is the only reason they need.
Spain is nothing like a soft Western target, precisely because of our unfortunate history with domestic terrorism.
Business
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They are always local, they attack where it's easiest and that's close from home. They don't come from the middle east to attack, ISIS there has no clue who these guys actually are or what and when they plan. In France they are French, in England English and the same in Spain.
You're giving these neanderthals way too much credit.
They will attack anything, anywhere as long as they can do damage. Hell they're destroying their own home and they don't care.
Cataluña hosts more than half the total of salafist controlled mosques in Spain. This was bound to happen sooner or later.
They will attack anything, anywhere as long as they can do damage. Hell they're destroying their own home and they don't care.
Cataluña hosts more than half the total of salafist controlled mosques in Spain. This was bound to happen sooner or later.
chromatic9
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Well France has had them travel from Belgium. Last attack in the UK, two of the three were from outside, Italians did warn the UK he was coming.
"Reclaiming" lost territory.
This, definitely. They've stated before that they want Al-Andalus (or Caliphate of Cordoba) back.
Business
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Belgium is next door. As for UK, I don't have the data now so I could be wrong but I'd say even if you can probably find exceptions, the bulk of the attackers in the past few years have been home grown, correct me otherwise.
I think the real answer is that ISIS want to attack the west wherever they can, not because of the history (which kind of doesn't make sense as Barcelona was never under Moorish control, apart from a 90~ year period about 1,400 years ago).
To me, this proves that it isn't really about "bombing Syria" or whatever excuses they use, it's just because the terror groups hate our way of life.
To me, this proves that it isn't really about "bombing Syria" or whatever excuses they use, it's just because the terror groups hate our way of life.