stan423321
Member
Effectively it doesn't matter. Game doesn't work offline at all, and got delayed for bug fixing. I say that is a pretty big bug to not notice.
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Sonic Mania Denuvo DRM cracked
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Effectively it doesn't matter. Game doesn't work offline at all, and got delayed for bug fixing. I say that is a pretty big bug to not notice.
R10Neymarfan
Member
The GTAV effect. Honestly hate Rockstar for starting a trend. PC gamers need to stop that shit
Ah, so it does, although it's possible that's just because 17 rendered it rather redundant. I mean, I'm sure you agree it's decidedly unlikely that FIFA 16 has more stringent DRM than literally every single other EA game on Origin, FIFA 17 included.
As I understand it, EA Core is essentially the "core" of Origin (an EACore.ini file can be used to force Origin into R&D mode, for instance). I suppose you could say Origin is to EA Core as Chrome (the browser) is to Chromium (the underlying browser engine). That said, you are correct about The Sims 4 expansions insofar as a cracked version of City Living took longer than usual to surface, so I concede that the DRM component of EAC may indeed be stronger than it once was.
At least they're already looking into the always-on issues. Always-online fucking sucks.
You can compare sales before and after the crack (if there's a grace period).
You can compare sales before and after the crack (if there's a grace period).
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
It for people that doesn't want the vanilla version.
Lord British
Member
Refunded. Normally I don't really care about this sort of thing, but come on. It's a 2D platformer that doesn't even have a necessary online component.
Spacecowboy77
Member
Bah, I'll wait till they crack and remove the DRM to actually buy it
This doesn't really bother me too much. From playing so far it's not affecting the performance and I figure by a time in future that the DRM could cause me an issue a crack would be available anyway.
It not ideal and it's shitty the game was delayed for two weeks for this but eh I still prefer having a DRMed PC copy then a digital console version which I feel I'm still more likely to lose access to in the future.
It not ideal and it's shitty the game was delayed for two weeks for this but eh I still prefer having a DRMed PC copy then a digital console version which I feel I'm still more likely to lose access to in the future.
People have already found a way to get around needing to be online:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/1473095960825596408/?ctp=8
http://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/1473095960825596408/?ctp=8
CecilRousso
Member
Could be, but if so, then one might why only now? Denuvo infestation is not something new. The supposded delay to implement it might be novel (if it's true), but there have been issues before.
And just the idea that we're supposed to be comfortable with an almost hidden party having authority over our purchases is something that should have been discussed more by gaming journalists then it has.
The Red Wizard
Member
Unless it's hardware DRM, right?
CecilRousso
Member
Valuable input to the discussion, after 7 pages.
sixteen-bit
Member
So this means no mods, right?
Ironic considering how much of the staff went into game development due to the modding scene.
Ironic considering how much of the staff went into game development due to the modding scene.
StereoVsn
Member
Now, this is quite ironic. You are buying on a completely closed system and you think you have LESS DRM there?
CecilRousso
Member
[QUOTE="D";247368455]Maybe I'm missing something but why are people upset that Sega is trying to protect their game?[/QUOTE]
Well, you can scratch that "maybe" if you notice that people don't like it, but don't understand why.
Do you usually understand concerns about DRM, or do you think that people should just accept it?
Well, you can scratch that "maybe" if you notice that people don't like it, but don't understand why.
Do you usually understand concerns about DRM, or do you think that people should just accept it?
Well, you can play offline on the Switch.
[QUOTE="D";247368455]Maybe I'm missing something but why are people upset that Sega is trying to protect their game?[/QUOTE]
Aside from "normal always-online DRM concerns", well... How to put this. They basically delayed the game two weeks (there's a possibility that the delay was to add the DRM, judging by some of the signs, but could go either way) and never announced the DRM until the day of release, at which point they basically went "Oops, the store page didn't mention the DRM?"
Aside from "normal always-online DRM concerns", well... How to put this. They basically delayed the game two weeks (there's a possibility that the delay was to add the DRM, judging by some of the signs, but could go either way) and never announced the DRM until the day of release, at which point they basically went "Oops, the store page didn't mention the DRM?"
Like I said if the DRM is there to protect piracy then why are people upset? I ask because here on GAF these forums seem to be really against it.
Some people say it messes with mods but if its gonna get cracked soon anyway then what is the big deal with people saying they're gonna refund and screw the PC version and all this..like damn are mods REALLY the issue? Just wait til its cracked?
If you gone pirate the game then thats your business..and I'm not saying its everyone here but damn..you ain't gotta "lie to kick it"
Deathknell
Member
[QUOTE="D";247368455]Maybe I'm missing something but why are people upset that Sega is trying to protect their game?[/QUOTE]
Yes we are upset cause we wanna pirate the game, that's what pc gamers do.
Yes we are upset cause we wanna pirate the game, that's what pc gamers do.
No, that's not what it means.
Steam Input is an alternative to XInput - and it's a good thing too, since Microsoft has deprecated DirectInput and many newer games - including Sonic Mania - no longer support it.
XInput is very limited compared to DirectInput, and who wants to be reliant on Microsoft for input handling after what they've done with it?
I guess you like games relying on a server connection and being unplayable the second the servers for the DRM go down?
[QUOTE="D";247368455]Maybe I'm missing something but why are people upset that Sega is trying to protect their game?[/QUOTE]
They aren't protecting jackshit. They are only fucking over legitimate customers, not anyone else.
You're asking what the problem with excessive DRM is?
And if there's something wrong with something so generally despised?
Right. Short summary:
1, It hides a server depency to a 3rd party Amazon server, that's needed for installation (and often updates to the game or your computer), otherwise you won't get to play your game. If the server would be taken down with the DRM removed, the game will become unavailable.
2. It only serves a purpose when it's uncracked and no drm free version is available, so you won't get releases at GOG or similiar sites until it's removed.
3. It only serves a purpose for the developer/publisher (if even that). You as a customer have no benefit of it.
4. If if implemented wrong, it can effect the performance of the game.
5. It can limit modding of games.
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blackMamba1187
Member
This. 1000x this.
CecilRousso
Member
[QUOTE="D";247369559]Like I said if the DRM is there to protect piracy then why are people upset? I ask because here on GAF these forums seem to be really against it.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's you saying that you don't understand why people have concerns against DRM, and if you really have read the thread, but still question it, then it might be difficult to make you understand.
I usually think that people should follow the discussion and read the arguments instead of just jumping in, but a little help here:
1. Quoting myself about general concerns about Denuvo, from other titles implementing it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=247304620#post247304620
2. They have given people the impression, not sure if true or not, that the two weeks delay of the PC version was because of a last minute decision to implement the DRM.
3. They release the game without the Steam store page informing the customer about the useage of Denuvo. It wasn't there for preorder customers, and it wasn't there for day 1 purchasers.
4. They seem to have managed to implement it in such a way that the game became always online. If not completely always online, it at the least caused issues for people running the game.
So it became quite the fuckup for them, for so many reasons. Even if you don't mind the DRM itself, you shouldn't think it's okay to release the game with it like this.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's you saying that you don't understand why people have concerns against DRM, and if you really have read the thread, but still question it, then it might be difficult to make you understand.
I usually think that people should follow the discussion and read the arguments instead of just jumping in, but a little help here:
1. Quoting myself about general concerns about Denuvo, from other titles implementing it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=247304620#post247304620
2. They have given people the impression, not sure if true or not, that the two weeks delay of the PC version was because of a last minute decision to implement the DRM.
3. They release the game without the Steam store page informing the customer about the useage of Denuvo. It wasn't there for preorder customers, and it wasn't there for day 1 purchasers.
4. They seem to have managed to implement it in such a way that the game became always online. If not completely always online, it at the least caused issues for people running the game.
So it became quite the fuckup for them, for so many reasons. Even if you don't mind the DRM itself, you shouldn't think it's okay to release the game with it like this.
TeamLeftMatch
Member
You're asking what the problem with excessive DRM is?
And if there's something wrong with something so generally despised?
Right. Short summary:
1, It hides a server depency to a 3rd party Amazon server, that's needed for installation (and often updates to the game or your computer), otherwise you won't get to play your game. If the server would be taken down with the DRM removed, the game will become unavailable.
2. It only serves a purpose when it's uncracked and no drm free version is available, so you won't get releases at GOG or similiar sites until it's removed.
3. It only serves a purpose for the developer/publisher (if even that). You as a customer have no benefit of it.
4. If if implemented wrong, it can effect the performance of the game.
5. It can limit modding of games.
[QUOTE="D";247369559]Like I said if the DRM is there to protect piracy then why are people upset? I ask because here on GAF these forums seem to be really against it.
Some people say it messes with mods but if its gonna get cracked soon anyway then what is the big deal with people saying they're gonna refund and screw the PC version and all this..like damn are mods REALLY the issue? Just wait til its cracked?
If you gone pirate the game then thats your business..and I'm not saying its everyone here but damn..you ain't gotta "lie to kick it"[/QUOTE]
It's going to get pirated regardless. Surely making the experience worse for paying customers is going to encourage piracy, though?
I think it's naive to think the complaints are coming from would-be pirates who can't steal the game as easily. If I was a PC gamer, I'd be very annoyed at the required internet connection for my single player game.
Some people say it messes with mods but if its gonna get cracked soon anyway then what is the big deal with people saying they're gonna refund and screw the PC version and all this..like damn are mods REALLY the issue? Just wait til its cracked?
If you gone pirate the game then thats your business..and I'm not saying its everyone here but damn..you ain't gotta "lie to kick it"[/QUOTE]
It's going to get pirated regardless. Surely making the experience worse for paying customers is going to encourage piracy, though?
I think it's naive to think the complaints are coming from would-be pirates who can't steal the game as easily. If I was a PC gamer, I'd be very annoyed at the required internet connection for my single player game.
https://twitter.com/RobotBrush/status/902646521086316546
The post in the pic has been deleted, but, it makes it look like the reason for the delay was indeed implementing Denuvo.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Jim Sterling's Take, if it hasn't already been posted.
EDIT - As SheHateMe has pointed out, there is a spoiler for a pivotal boss fight, don't watch unless you've played it. Thanks SheHateMe.
EDIT - As SheHateMe has pointed out, there is a spoiler for a pivotal boss fight, don't watch unless you've played it. Thanks SheHateMe.
Deathknell
Member
It's beyond me how some people can't/don't wanna understand this simple statement
I hate saying this, but don't watch if you haven't played it yet.
It spoils a surprise boss fight.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Link edited to include a spoiler warning, thanks for pointing this out. I'd hate to spoil that boss fight.
StereoVsn
Member
Andnone other big issue is that this game was essentially made by MODDERS with at least hope that modding further was going to be possible. Denuvo shuts that down.
The above coupled with always online (probably will be patched to work offline) and general Denuvo shenanigans for a $20 2D old school platformers seems to be asinine.
The above coupled with always online (probably will be patched to work offline) and general Denuvo shenanigans for a $20 2D old school platformers seems to be asinine.
CecilRousso
Member
What has Jim Sterling posted about Denuvo in previous cases? Is there more to watch from him about Denuvo in other games?
[QUOTE="D";247368455]Maybe I'm missing something but why are people upset that Sega is trying to protect their game?[/QUOTE]
Then why comment? You're in a thread full of people upset about Denuvo DRM and your reaction is to question the feelings of others? Why not take the time to look into why people dislike Denuvo before throwing your hat into the ring.
Then why comment? You're in a thread full of people upset about Denuvo DRM and your reaction is to question the feelings of others? Why not take the time to look into why people dislike Denuvo before throwing your hat into the ring.
No problem, and shame on Jim for including it.
It was a huge surprise that shouldn't be spoiled in this manner, especially on this topic.
User123456
Member
I mean, just look at all the "Fuck Sega, I'll be giving them my money on PS4/Switch instead! That'll show 'em!"
I think logic left the thread pretty much from page 1.
Ahh I see. Thanks for the info. I though it was just to stop people from pirating. Didn't know it impacted other things in the game itself
Re: Always online. Sega posted this on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/SEGA/posts/10155636608246796
I can't think of how this would accidentally happen, but at least they're removing it.
https://www.facebook.com/SEGA/posts/10155636608246796
I can't think of how this would accidentally happen, but at least they're removing it.
Visualante2
Member
Pre-ordering never pays.