Just imagine all the fast food restaurants with cheese in tons of variations.What do the Dutch have to do with this?
This thread is going to devolve into a tank duel discussion soon.
All I see in this thread is Metal Slugs
I do love the metal slug designs
And let's not forget that Germans wasted resources for things of marginal use, if that. Their rocket projects, while advanced, were largely useless. For example, the V2's production killed more people than the weapon itself.
We need more giant enemy crabs in our world-destroying conflicts
Didn't know about the disparity in machinery between Germany and the Soviets. So if the US sat out of WWII we wouldn't be speaking German right now, we'd be speaking Russian?
What do the Dutch have to do with this?
Yeah, this is completely false.
At the opening of hostilities, German Panzer IIIs and Panzer IVs (armed with a short-barreled 75mm infantry support howitzer) were completely outclassed by early-gen T-34s with their sloped armor and anti-tank cannons. It's the T-34 that forced the Germans to adopt more heavily armed and armored tank models, like the Panzer V Panther and Panzer VI Tiger tanks, which proved unreliable and further taxed the German war machine.
Of course, as the war progressed, the Soviets would respond to German tank developments with their own, such as the IS-2 and T-34/85.
I watched Oliver Stone's TV documentary about the history yesterday, and I learned quite the same in my class. Germany was a behemoth but they got toppled by it's own mistakes, three big ones being:
1) Ignoring Japan and letting them fight their own battle instead of treating them as allies (if Japan was treated equally, they all could've toppled USSR in a few weeks).
2) Declaring war on U.S. right after Pearl Harbor attack by Japan, forcing U.S. to say "Let's dance".
3) Breaking treaty and attacking Russia for 2 long years, aiming for arrogance rather than dominance.
If we ignore the biggest 3 mistakes Germany made, this would've been a Dutch-dominant world.
With that said, the advancements they pushed for and achieved after taking over Europe is instrumental to our current technology and success. War always accelerate the best in mankind (and churns out the worst in it as well).
I can't believe people built these things. They're ridiculously impractical. What good is a gun that is confined to a track? It's not going to help against infantry or armor who are mobile and can avoid going near the track, it's not going to help against fortifications unless they're along the rail line, and it's really not that hard to destroy rail lines and make it so you can't move the thing anymore... I guess before planes people would grasp on to anything as the future of warfare.
So more submarines that would have been sunk like the rest.
Small arms don't win wars.
Pictured Allied jet fighters that don't kill most of their pilots which is a lot more then the Nazis could say.
Meteor
P80
After the war, the USAAF compared the P-80 and Me 262 concluding, "Despite a difference in gross weight of nearly 2,000 lb (900 kg), the Me 262 was superior to the P-80 in acceleration, speed and approximately the same in climb performance. The Me 262 apparently has a higher critical Mach number, from a drag standpoint, than any current Army Air Force fighter."
This thread is going to devolve into a tank duel discussion soon.
Friendly reminder that Fanta was made in Nazi Germany.
Me-262 (of which ~1400 were made) didn't kill most of its pilots. I looked up the inferior Lockheed P-80* (which came too late to be used in Europe), and during its development several test pilots were killed as well.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-80_Shooting_Star
And the two brothers that made Adidas and Puma, yeah?
But a lot of stuff was. This fanta stuff is essentially a urban legend at this point - it was made in Germany during Nazism - and started because of the war making communication to the US difficult - but it's not more nazi than bread made in Germany during that period, say.Friendly reminder that Fanta was made in Nazi Germany.
About tanks, The Mighty Jingles (a famous World of Tanks player), showed the difference in construction between german and soviet tanks. Very cool video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fEsNwHSDs
Me-262 (of which ~1400 were made) didn't kill most of its pilots. I looked up the inferior Lockheed P-80* (which came too late to be used in Europe), and during its development several test pilots were killed as well.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-80_Shooting_Star
Crystal Meth sure is a hell of a drug.
Also not mentioned is that Germany was largely running a war time economy and all that entails years before the war even started. It was the equivalent of a boxing match where one fighter trained for a few months while the other could only train for a few weeks.
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They undoubtably had the best and strongest military at the time. And if it wasn't for the incompetence of Hitler they would have won the war
That's correct. The only advantage the Germans held onto by the end of 1944 would be that they probably had the best NCOs and junior officers in the world. The allies were better at everything else; especially when it came to superweapons.Nazi stuff looked cool, but were expensive, high maintenance, inefficient and ultimately worse than their allied counterparts.
It's their doctrine, training, and tactical superiority that won them their early war success. By the end of WWII, the allied forces had caught up in that area too.
If people want example of nations that were way superior technologically than their peers in military, you have the Romans, the Song/Tang, the Byzantines, the current USA.
Yup. German tanks had some good features, but they were also over-engineered and were designed with tons of boneheaded flaws. The Me-262 looks good on paper, but with its extremely short engine life it was perhaps more trouble than it was worth. The V-2 is a fantastic piece of technology, but arming inaccurate ballistic missiles with high explosives is a fools errand.Isn't the technological superiority of the German armed forces in WW2 something of a myth? A lot of their innovations were overengineered, unreliable bullshit, like the early Panther and Tiger tanks, or wunderwaffe that ultimately had a negligible impact on the war, like the ME-262, the V-2, and the Carl Gustav gun. The Soviet T-34 and American M-4 Sherman may have been boring, but they were far more practical and effective at filling their respective combat roles.
If you want to look at actual wonder weapons look at the allies.
Tanks that worked and were more then a match for the Germans (and could actually build a respectable amount).
Jets that once again worked.
RADAR.
Proximity fused shells.
The Atomic Bomb.
B-29.
ETC...
They also did a lot of psychological studies on people that lead to many breakthroughs of understanding how humans learn, think, and behave. The only problem is that to get these they did a lot of inhuman treatment which lead to having guidelines and rules on how to treat people in psychological studies today. Not many psych graduates like to mention this detail for obvious reasons...
Wrong pictureI feel like I'm gonna get dogpiled but as someone who's big into naval history, WWII Germany had some aesthetically beautiful warships.
Most people immediately think Bismarck but here's the Scharnhorst
Wrong picture
1. Germany didn't fight alone.
2. Germany was exploiting the resources of conquered countries, and there were also plenty of collaborators and allies within those countries eager to help out.
3. France was taken out before the US and USSR were even involved.
So I would say it's very misleading to say that Germany was fighting off the Allies single-handedly.