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What Germany did in WWII Military and Technology wise is Incredible
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Just imagine all the fast food restaurants with cheese in tons of variations.
Coriolanus
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ymean evolve.
All I see in this thread is Metal Slugs
I do love the metal slug designs
Earthbound64
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Sure, when you do disgusting things that get you convicted for war crimes, you can accomplish more than those who don't do disgusting things and don't get convicted for war crimes.
It would be like coming to a knife fight with a gun - sure, you would do better, but that's not saying much.
It would be like coming to a knife fight with a gun - sure, you would do better, but that's not saying much.
LookAtMeGo
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Glad they never unleashed the Die Glocke. I think they might have but I think it caused a rift in time or something.
V2 rocket production useless? The US is still benefitting from the superiority it gained through the ICBM program that was directly born from captured German scientist man's rocket research.
If Nazi Germany would have been able to achieve some sort of stalemate peace treaty, that rocket program would have been the foundation for decades of superiority.
See also Werner von Braun.
I'd think so. Germany was going to fall to the USSR at some point anyway, without the western allies securing land away from them they'd probably have expanded all the way to Portugal and the Cold War would have been much harder for the west (or, well, the US and maybe UK since everybody else would be Soviet) to win.
Also I'm not sure if the US would have been able to develop ICBM technology in time with the Russians, with only one side having ICBMs and the other having to drop nukes by plane there would have been a much higher risk of them going ahead with WW3.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I can't believe I wrote that. LOL.
Funnily, while the Allies had their big computing breakthrough with the Enigma decryption the Germans did have their own fairly advanced computers (Z series) but they were mostly used commercially.
The Panther was supposedly meant to be a much lighter and faster tank, they named it Panther to convey that to the higher ups. Hitler still told them to stick more armor onto it and so they made the heavily armored machine it ended up being.
The Panther was supposedly meant to be a much lighter and faster tank, they named it Panther to convey that to the higher ups. Hitler still told them to stick more armor onto it and so they made the heavily armored machine it ended up being.
Still blows my mind that over 4100 M4 Shermans were provided to the USSR under lend lease. I can't even fathom what that many tanks would look like on the battlefield, and those were extra to all the ones the Soviets produced. Nearly 50,000 total Shermans built. The numbers with a lot of WW2 things are hard to grasp.
1 & 2 were always a bit interesting to look at from a alternate historical perspective.
On 1 I doubt it would have been a few weeks, but it is the most intriguing, as in if Germany actually coordinates with Japan to attack Russia on the their eastern front and Germany attacking from the west, that would have certainly put Russia in a really tough spot. But it would have been a higher cost to Japan, as most of Russia's superior fighting forces were on Russia's eastern side anticipating a Japanese invasion and Stalin was convinced Hitler would not declare war on Russia as soon as he did. Only once Russia got assurances from their spies in Japan that Japan had no interest in war with Russia did he send most of those troops west to combat Germany. It is tough to find a case for Japan to attack Russia though. It hadn't gone well previously for them, and they had already turned their attention to their southern expansion doctrine at this point so what could Germany have offered to Japan to start a new theater of war that they had no incentive to open?
2 felt like "Hey I declared war on your enemy and so you can declare war on mine (Russia) and we can help each other out." Except Japan had no intention of ever declaring war on Russia anytime soon.
It really just seemed to be an alliance of we won't attack you (for now) so you won't attack us (for now) since we don't share borders and we have common enemies.
Harlock
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About tanks, The Mighty Jingles (a famous World of Tanks player), showed the difference in construction between german and soviet tanks. Very cool video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fEsNwHSDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fEsNwHSDs
It's basically a relocatable artillery base, they build a curved rail so moving it forward and backward aims it left and right and shoot at ranges beyond 20 kilometers away. It's certainly quicker to build such a rail than it is to build a whole bunker with such a gun installed on it.
I think role wise it's closer to modern ballistic or cruise missiles than aircraft.
So more submarines that would have been sunk like the rest.
Small arms don't win wars.
Pictured Allied jet fighters that don't kill most of their pilots which is a lot more then the Nazis could say.
Meteor
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Me-262 (of which ~1400 were made) didn't kill most of its pilots. I looked up the inferior Lockheed P-80* (which came too late to be used in Europe), and during its development several test pilots were killed as well.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-80_Shooting_Star
That's the funny thing with this German tank Wehrabooism. Games and movies have instilled this view of WW2 tank warfare as akin to aerial dogfights, when in reality the bread and butter of armored units was in the support of infantry movement. The Germans actually did celebrate "tank aces," but that was to their detriment because while they were so busy focusing on glorious single combat (a hallmark of fascism's aestheticization of war) the Allies actually developed useful tank doctrine that wasn't about jousting with cannons.
The Empire are literally space Nazis. Hence the cool aesthetic but psychotic need to destroy entire races/planets.
Germany had some genius people. That rocket guy for instance.
Nazism should always be associated with evil and stupid ideologies.
Germany should be associated with technological prowess.
Side note: Japan's aircraft carrying subs were insane too. One was on its way to bomb the Panama canal!
Germany had some genius people. That rocket guy for instance.
Nazism should always be associated with evil and stupid ideologies.
Germany should be associated with technological prowess.
Side note: Japan's aircraft carrying subs were insane too. One was on its way to bomb the Panama canal!
The Germans were excellwnt at practjcal engineering and held an advantage in submarines, chemistry, and (operational) jet aircraft during the war, but would have been hard put to compete with tank designs like the Pershing and IS-2 had the war progressed. The allies held a clear advantage in radio technology and cryptography and obviously, nuclear engineering by the end of the war. The Nazis destroyed theoretical physics in Germany for a generation.
Hundreds of thousands of Jeeps and Studebaker US6s supplied on lend lease didn't do much for the German cause either.
Hundreds of thousands of Jeeps and Studebaker US6s supplied on lend lease didn't do much for the German cause either.
Conor_Fool
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And the two brothers that made Adidas and Puma, yeah?
harriet the spy
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Crystal Meth sure is a hell of a drug.
Yeah i was being hyperbolic, 1400 were made but not many were in service at any time mainly due to engine problems and lack of fuel. The engines of it were notoriously unreliable, meaning only a ~20 hour life span before the engines had to be replaced.
Like usual with German weapons during WW2, they were superior on paper, but that doesn't matter if they aren't actual combat effective due to being hugely unreliable and they don't live up to their on paper stats because of shortages of important resources. Also their weapons being hugely maintenance intensive so that they were busy being fixed instead of fighting.
Was just about to post that. Both were nazis during ww2.
Bizarrely, one of the brothers (Adolf) actually provided Jesse Owens with running shoes during the 1936 Olympics.
harriet the spy
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But a lot of stuff was. This fanta stuff is essentially a urban legend at this point - it was made in Germany during Nazism - and started because of the war making communication to the US difficult - but it's not more nazi than bread made in Germany during that period, say.
Dubbedinenglish
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Yeah the notorious one is the Me-163 Komet, which was basically a rocket propelled glider that killed most of it's pilots. It didn't even have a landing gear. The climb rate on launch was insane though at 160 meters per second.
Love that tank-chocolate
Sure, they mobilized for war, but the German economy wasn't set up as a true total "war economy" until Albert Speer took over as minister of Armaments and War Production.
Hari Seldon
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The ME-262 is my vote for most impressive and useful tech they produced. The problem was that they didn't use them correctly and didn't have enough of them, but it severely outclasses any other fighter of the war.
TheContact
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They undoubtably had the best and strongest military at the time. And if it wasn't for the incompetence of Hitler they would have won the war
Horten 229
Looks like Amidalas Spaceship from ATOTC
Horten 229
Again, a remarkable piece of technology for the 40's, and designed to be built by slave labour.
No, they wouldn't have. That is pretty much German High Command propaganda after the fact. Even if the Germans were more succesful, they had an extremely slim chance of a meaningful victory. If they ignore the British and invade the Soviet Union early, and successfully, it still probably bogs down into a war of attrition past the Urals and eventually the US and British start dropping atomic bombs on German cities. They would have to beat both the British and the Soviets, and they were utterly incapable of invading the British Isles. They simply did not have the necessary shiping to supply a naval invasion or the air support or navy to escort those ships.
Even if they win the Battle of Britain, they still have to cross the channel against a larger navy and with fierce resistance to any landing force. The British Isles were very well prepared to meet and repel any invasion force, having learned a lot from the fall of France. This isn't Hearts of Iron 4 where you can victory point rush and end a war instantaneously.
AcademicSaucer
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There is a reason the US recruited all those scientist
That's correct. The only advantage the Germans held onto by the end of 1944 would be that they probably had the best NCOs and junior officers in the world. The allies were better at everything else; especially when it came to superweapons.
Yup. German tanks had some good features, but they were also over-engineered and were designed with tons of boneheaded flaws. The Me-262 looks good on paper, but with its extremely short engine life it was perhaps more trouble than it was worth. The V-2 is a fantastic piece of technology, but arming inaccurate ballistic missiles with high explosives is a fools errand.
The Allied super weapons were far more formidable. The Western Allies had all kinds of strategic bombers to strike deep at the enemy homelands, the Americans had the nuclear bomb, the British had the ever versatile Mosquito, and the Soviets had Deep Operations. It's also noteworthy that Allied spies were way ahead of the German ones, and that German military codes kept getting broken.
Slightly OT, but I love this Norm MacDonald bit about Germany vs. the world.
Don't forget digital programmable computers.
One Eyed Willy
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I'm a big fan of the T-34, but dat Tiger and Tiger II tho..
Osukaa
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Yeah I read some of the studies they did... reading what they and Japan did at that time always put a chill down my spine and reading it gets me teary eyed to how much suffering and pain the people they were "experimenting" on must have went through.. Awful stuff.
Technology wise I admit that they had really interesting ideas. I always enjoy watching those specials on TV that show the WW2 Technology on both sides.
The Sum of Zero
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I feel like I'm gonna get dogpiled but as someone who's big into naval history, WWII Germany had some aesthetically beautiful warships.
Most people immediately think Bismarck but here's the Scharnhorst
Most people immediately think Bismarck but here's the Scharnhorst
![Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-07%2C_Schlachtschiff_"Scharnhorst".jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-07%2C_Schlachtschiff_"Scharnhorst".jpg)
Man I hate these discussions. Just like child beauty pageants, even if they're technically innocent they really attract a certain kind of person
The tools y'all are pounding your dicks about were created with the expressed purpose of murdering, enslaving, and subjugating hundreds of millions of people toward the end of global Aryan domination. To celebrate any aspect of Nazism without extreme sensitivity can normalize their actions and worldview.
The tools y'all are pounding your dicks about were created with the expressed purpose of murdering, enslaving, and subjugating hundreds of millions of people toward the end of global Aryan domination. To celebrate any aspect of Nazism without extreme sensitivity can normalize their actions and worldview.
iRAWRasaurus
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The Sum of Zero
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Wrong picture
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firehawk12
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Dat German Carrier tech.
lol
Don't forget the Eugen.
SaviourMK2
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Wasnt Germany the most technologically advanced country between WW1 and WW2?
llien
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And it wasn't until 1944 that allies opened second front in Europe.