Others have said their comments but come on. Unless we're in Minority Report, it's impossible to stop every terrorism attempt 100% of the time.
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Others have said their comments but come on. Unless we're in Minority Report, it's impossible to stop every terrorism attempt 100% of the time.
Arguably if the IRA was active today, they'd find it more difficult to dry runs too.
You sound like an expert, so would you kindly get our shit together for us? Many thanks.
tonysidaway
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Here's the thing.
Average fatalities through terrorism in the UK
1980-1989 107 per annum
1990-1999: 50 per annum
2000-2009: 8 per annum
2010-today: 1.6 per annum
So in the context of expanding global terrorism, the UK sees a rapid decade-on-decade reduction in fatalities through terrorism.
Average fatalities through terrorism in the UK
1980-1989 107 per annum
1990-1999: 50 per annum
2000-2009: 8 per annum
2010-today: 1.6 per annum
So in the context of expanding global terrorism, the UK sees a rapid decade-on-decade reduction in fatalities through terrorism.
Audioboxer
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Yeah it's totally unfeasible. Also as always, this shouldn't put anyone off going to London.
That definitely makes it appear to be some sort of homemade device. The wires just make you think what the heck else could it be?
Jesus, I had no idea the IRA targeted so many civilians.
Thank God it didn't go off.
That doesn't make it ok. The IRA didn't actively go out of their way to mass murder. They almost always gave warnings before a major incident went off. This is a very different breed of terrorism. You simply can't neogiate with this.
Yeah, I go to Paris often, and it's annoying as hell. Half an hour before the Thalys departs the platform gets crowed as hell. You are also rushed trough the checks anyway (once they even let me just walk passed the detectors because the train wasn't on schedule). The detectors can probably detect a gun or a knife, but most metal objects just go straight trough (they don't ask you to take your keys out for example).
At least the Eurostar has a well managed security check, but they have a custom build section in the station for that. Also, both the Eurostar and the Thalys are trains with reservations, which is a big difference with a commutor's train and definitely with a subway system. At the Thalys it's annoying, in the London tube it would be crazy
Charles Brandon
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For context, those figures are slightly misleading. Most of those deaths would have occurred in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, which could almost be described as a low-key civil war. That doesn't mean that they are less important but it does mean that deaths from terrorism in the rest of the UK were a small proportion of that number.
JonnyDBrit
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London Ambulance Service is saying 18 injured, but none in serious condition.
It takes a surprisingly small bomb to destroy a carriage due to how they are built, and that's not taking into account the enclosed space a lot of them are in when underground. Something that size would have totalled the carriage it was in plus at least the carriages either side.
Audioboxer
Member
Damn, I'm not religious, but thank God it failed to go off.
WhateverItTakes
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Totally. Hope a review shows if this was preventable, and if it was, the government actually invest so a worse outcome could he avoided.
I don't know where you're getting your statistics, but the Manchester attack alone already disproves them.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Pleased none are serious. Fuck terrorism.
Impeccable
Member
Sorry but that is totally white washing what the IRA did. For example, they killed two children in my hometown (Warrington). They sent a warning to the Samaritans in Liverpool (20 miles away, covered by a different police authority, only 30 minutes notice) saying there was a bomb outside of a Boots shop, when they had also placed a second bomb outside of an Argos. They had timed them so people fleeing there first bomb would be in the perfect place to get hit by the second. They had put them inside metal bins so shrapnel would fly everywhere. If they weren't trying to maximize civilian causalities they wouldn't have done any of that.
This is utterly false.
Most of them Northern Irish, mind. There were some very large and public bombs in England that everyone knows about, but the vast majority of the killing was in Northern Ireland and it took many forms - bombing, land mines, shootings, assassinations etc. From their POV it was war.
(The Lockerbie bombing was by Libyans)
Most of them Northern Irish, mind. There were some very large and public bombs in England that everyone knows about, but the vast majority of the killing was in Northern Ireland and it took many forms - bombing, land mines, shootings, assassinations etc.
(The Lockerbie bombing was by Libyans)
Wow, I had no idea the violence during the troubles was so constant. God.
Indeed. The difference is that now we have a terrorism that aims to hit civilians while IRA (at times) gave warnings. I have to agree, there is also no negotiating possible now as there is no rationality. That makes it so much scarier in my opinion. Not defending IRA of course, they were also scum in their means.
I have vivid memories of the 80's and 90's, and it was pretty relentless, although today it feels worse, simply because the amount of times things are regurgitated on social media.
JonnyDBrit
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As mentioned above, it was at times akin to a low intensity civil war. It's easy not to realise if you grew up from the 90s onward.
SlipperyFishes
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Living through it was numbing to the point where you were just used to death and torment
The name really undersells it :-/
SlipperyFishes
Banned
They would regularly call news reporters and newspapers with code words to say a bomb threat is real.
If you're talking about specific people targeted instead of the wider public then yeah, that would be counter productive.
MarkMclovin
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The hell am I reading?
Monty Mole
Member
That all comes down to one thing though: The Good Friday Agreement.
Well if they didn't actively go out of their way to mass murder, then they must have done it by accident. The statistics there speak for themselves.
Either way, you should be more afraid of driving in your car, than terrorism.
JonnyDBrit
Member
They mean with regards to it being something that the IRA did consistently and/or from the start. It paints the IRA as always having been 'delicate' in this regard, when much of the time they really weren't.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Manchild Trump is awake and yep, Tweeting.
Like how you were proactive against the nazis? oh, right...
Blame the Internet - don't blame anything else. Riiiiiight.
Blaming the UK here for bringing this on ourselves? Connecting terrorism to PC?
Now this is a cunt
Like how you were proactive against the nazis? oh, right...
Blame the Internet - don't blame anything else. Riiiiiight.
Blaming the UK here for bringing this on ourselves? Connecting terrorism to PC?
Now this is a cunt
JonnyDBrit
Member
They haven't even identified the bomber yet, opportunistic halfwit.
When there is a major life threatening incident in a confined space, tightly packed with people, you cannot expect anything other than panic and confusion. Trying to paint the victims as arseholes for doing what most will do naturally is not on.
Known to Scotland Yard? Have police confirmed that? Or did Trump just tweet an intelligence briefing?
BrassDragon
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Security services will note that this was an attempt at remote terrorism, after a spate of suicide and direct attacks (most of which ended with the perpetrators dead or in custody.)
That might be significant; recruiting frontline soldiers is slowly but surely getting harder and the facilitators/organizers/inspiratiors aren't as free to travel around as much as they're used to.
If they're forced to be more careful with their manpower, by using remote/timed explosives, or if they've decided that they can sustain more pressure with this tactic, that's a small edge for us. Explosives require more preparation and knowledge, which raises the number of flags intelligence analysts can pick up.
EDIT: wait, how does Trump know the suspect was in the sights of 'Scotland Yard' (Counter Terrorism Command?)... is he leaking info from his personal briefing?
That might be significant; recruiting frontline soldiers is slowly but surely getting harder and the facilitators/organizers/inspiratiors aren't as free to travel around as much as they're used to.
If they're forced to be more careful with their manpower, by using remote/timed explosives, or if they've decided that they can sustain more pressure with this tactic, that's a small edge for us. Explosives require more preparation and knowledge, which raises the number of flags intelligence analysts can pick up.
EDIT: wait, how does Trump know the suspect was in the sights of 'Scotland Yard' (Counter Terrorism Command?)... is he leaking info from his personal briefing?
He's either lying about an ongoing police investigation, or he's just leaked incredibly important information publicly that will jeapodise the investigation.
What a complete cunt.
Dangansona
Member
The replies to the Mayor of London's tweet are not so great.
Did Trump tweet confidential information or WTF is he talking about?
BrassDragon
Member
Or a third option, the MPS CT command just reached out to the US intelligence community to complete their picture of a suspect or suspects (as is normal in these situations) and Trump is only half-remembering what his staffers told him about this American assistance.
s_mirage
Member
Oh yeah, warnings. Often unspecific warnings without giving enough time to properly evacuate. My parents were supposed to have gone to The Tavern in the Town the night of the Birmingham pub bombings, and it's pure good luck that they decided against it and weren't killed.
I'm sorry, but the whitewashing of the IRA that some people take part in makes me sick.
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