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[Sesha]

If RE2make isn't fixed cameras, then I hope it has some other changes, besides no pre-rendered background, like say no A-B scenarios to make people more angry at it.

Because I Remake is one of my beloved games and I love old re a lot but I want also new things? Is not that hard

RE7 exists. That's new. Go play that.

 

[sixteen-bit]

If we don't hear anything at TGS then engage panic mode. Too early now.

 

[Pie and Beans]

We (did not) do it!

 

[kc44135]

Yes, i know. I've also played that RE5 dlc, and sure, that was bad, but the fixed camera mode was just an extremely half-assed hidden easter egg in that case.

I'm just saying, the original Resident Evil was designed around tank controls and not direct movements, but yet the REbirth hd port made people choose, even if that spoiled the game making it way easier, and everyone was happy anyway.
And that should be the way to go in my opinion: just build the game around fixed perspective and auto aim, and then offer a choice to the people that just want a "modern" third person adventure, even if this breaks the game at least mildly, people would be happy again.

Sure, choices are great, but if they say "hey, you can play in first/third-person too!" and then you can't aim properly at enemies , or those enemies don't really react to where you shoot them, those folks who wanted that wouldn't end up being very happy in the end. That was the point I was trying to make. You'd essentially have to make multiple games to appease every RE fan out there. Offering Tank controls and Alt controls like REmake HD would be fine tho, I think.

So a completely imaginary scenario for which there's no evidence and which directly contradicts the most recent remakes has killed your hype?

Yes. Also, those "most recent remakes" weren't remakes, dude. They were "remasters" (A.K.A enhanced ports), whereas RE2 being a "REmake" implies it will be rebuilt from the ground up, and essentially a new game, regardless of it's gameplay style and perspective. Moreover, Capcom hasn't made an entirely new game in this style since RE: Outbreak File #2, which was over a decade ago, and even that was fairly different from the mainline Classic games (the last of which was RE0, which released 15 years ago, in 2002). My point being that most of the people that worked on those games are probably long gone now, and the current RE team may not feel confident in attempting to replicate that style, or how well it might sell in the modern landscape. But hey, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[kc44135]

If we don't hear anything at TGS then engage panic mode. Too early now.

There's still PSX as well.

 

[giancarlo123x]

If we don't hear anything at TGS then engage panic mode. Too early now.

Panic mode is 3 years plus without anything at all. I prefer a trailer > release within 6 months than show something now and release in 2019.

 

[JayEH]

This is why companies don't like to announce games early.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Don't think they will ever outright cancel the game after revealing it was going to be worked on. Expect Nioh/last guardian treatment. Can't say when but it will eventually be released.

 

[BadWolf]

It was 'revealed' before the producer even pitched the project to Capcom, so yeah... way beyond early.

Hardly surprising that it hasn't been shown yet, no need to panic.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

Yes, it is cancel OP.

Spoiler

Be patient, even remakes take a long time to make these days.

 

[RSB]

People who are saying about just the same game with better backgrounds... had played remake or any classic re recently? Because I do not want that AT ALL.

I replayed RE0 HD (four playthroughs) and REmake HD (five playthroughs) last month (using tank controls of course) REmake is still a masterpiece and one of the best games of all time, and classic RE is still amazing.

I love Action RE too (including RE6) and I want more of it in the future, but the RE2 Remake should absolutely be in the classic style. Also, the last action RE was released in 2012, the last classic RE was released in 2002, so it's about time we got another RE in the classic style (especially since it was the success of REmake HD that got the RE2 Remake greenlit)

 

[Piers]

It was 'revealed' before the producer even pitched the project to Capcom, so yeah... way beyond early.

Hardly surprising that it hasn't been shown yet, no need to panic.

Wasn't MML3 cancelled and that was announced before being pitched? Hopefully not the case behind the scenes here.

 

[BadWolf]

Wasn't MML3 cancelled and that was announced before being pitched? Hopefully not the case behind the scenes here.

Hardly comparable imo.

RE is Capcom's biggest IP and REmake 2 is the kind of game that will sell for many years to come.

 

[Piers]

Hardly comparable imo.

RE is Capcom's biggest IP and REmake 2 is the kind of game that will sell for many years to come.

MML3 showed there was mass support, though, and is why they announced it before even pitching to demonstrate why it has a market -- that's why people were infuriated with the cancellation.

 

[BadWolf]

MML3 showed there was mass support, though, and is why they announced it before even pitching to demonstrate why it has a market -- that's why people were infuriated with the cancellation.

Notice how they didn't gauge interest in REmake 2 or start any kind of character design style promotion for it.

The producer basically dropped the bomb the morning he was going to pitch it and walked out a winner from the meeting. They know it will sell.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Of course not.

I think people will be disappointed if they expect TGS though. I fully expect Sony to grab that as a big PSX announcement.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

What is object permanence.

 

[adamsapple]

I hope not. I really wanna see how this place implodes when it turns out they're remaking it in the style of REVII.

 

[Markitron]

Don't think they will ever outright cancel the game after revealing it was going to be worked on. Expect Nioh/last guardian treatment. Can't say when but it will eventually be released.

Don't think there is anything to suggest it will be anywhere near the same situation as those games. I reckon they are aiming for the 20th anniversary next year and will announce promote it in the 6 months before hand, just like RE7.

 

[Barry Burton]

We

Spoiler

might

do it!

 

[luulubuu]

I replayed RE0 HD (four playthroughs) and REmake HD (five playthroughs) last month (using tank controls of course) REmake is still a masterpiece and one of the best games of all time, and classic RE is still amazing.

I love Action RE too (including RE6) and I want more of it in the future, but the RE2 Remake should absolutely be in the classic style. Also, the last action RE was released in 2012, the last classic RE was released in 2002, so it's about time we got another RE in the classic style (especially since it was the success of REmake HD that got the RE2 Remake greenlit)

Even if I love your post and is easily the most reasonable one. Yeah I get you and we totally should get more different ways of the formula.

I would love to see what they save in store. But I think we got a classic RE last year, RE 0 Hd

RE7 exists. That's new. Go play that.

Yeah, don't tell me or anybody what to do or play. Stay in your place.

 

[ZeoVGM]

If we don't hear anything at TGS then engage panic mode. Too early now.

Nah, panic mode shouldn't start until after PSX.

 

[georly]

RE7 exists. That's new. Go play that.

RE1HD exists, go play that.

 

[giancarlo123x]

I hope not. I really wanna see how this place implodes when it turns out they're remaking it in the style of REVII.

No chance but it would be better doing it like that over RE6 gameplay. Game needs to be slower pace since it's pretty much tight corridors everywhere.

 

[Markitron]

I would love to see what they save in store. But I think we got a classic RE last year, RE 0 Hd.

A remaster hardly counts as a major release, fact is it has been 15 years since we had a new classic RE game.

No chance but it would be better doing it like that over RE6 gameplay. Game needs to be slower pace since it's pretty much tight corridors everywhere.

Agreed.

 

[Badlucktroll]

It'll turn up. I hope it uses some of the RE 1.5 elements. From what i played RE 1.5 wasn't bad. Did that fan completion of RE 1.5 get cancelled?

 

[Markitron]

It'll turn up. I hope it uses some of the RE 1.5 elements. From what i played RE 1.5 wasn't bad. Did that fan completion of RE 1.5 get cancelled?

Would be a nice nod alright. Personally I'd love to see some direct hooks for Nemesis. Maybe something involving the clock tower while Jill is unconscious.

 

[luulubuu]

A remaster hardly counts as a major release, fact is it has been 15 years since we had a new classic RE game.

Subjective, it even had a new campaign

No chance but it would be better doing it like that over RE6 gameplay. Game needs to be slower pace since it's pretty much tight corridors everywhere.

Yeah, I think it featured in one of the Wii games? And the first person view worked even if it was just shooting, I would love either remake approach or tps with slower pace

 

[RSB]

Even if I love your post and is easily the most reasonable one. Yeah I get you and we totally should get more different ways of the formula.

I would love to see what they save in store. But I think we got a classic RE last year, RE 0 Hd

Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I was talking about new games, not re-releases.

15 years without a new RE in the classic style is a LONG time.

 

[Sesha]

Yeah, don't tell me or anybody what to do or play. Stay in your place.

So you don't want to play something new?

RE1HD exists, go play that.

RE7 is a new game that came out this year. RE1 is 15 years old. Nice try though.

 

[Skeeter49]

When it was announced was when it started development.
If we heard something about it too soon, I'd be worried.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

This is why companies don't like to announce games early.

Sony loves to.

 

[Markitron]

Subjective, it even had a new campaign

Not really, it was a re-release of a 13 year old game with an upres. That's not a new game, even if it had an extra mode. Either way I think you knew what point the guy was trying to make.

Sony loves to.

Square-Enix are the masters of it.

 

[Sesha]

RE0 had a new campaign and REmake HD was a new game. #Altfacts

When it was announced was when it started development.
If we heard something about it too soon, I'd be worried.

August 12, 2015.

 

[georly]

RE7 is a new game that came out this year. RE1 is 15 years old. Nice try though.

If you wanna play an old-school style game play the old game. Don't diss people for wanting something new out of this remake because you're stuck in the past. I hope it plays exactly like RE7 or revelations and leaves the old school RE shit on the PS1 where it belongs. If i wanna play RE2 the 'old way' i'll play it on the old systems. A remake should do more than cater to what's left of the old fanbase.

 

[Skeeter49]

My worry is them messing up the pacing.

OG RE1 I wouldn't say was paced well, and Remake really helps improve on it.

RE2 has perfect pacing, easily the best paced Resi game.

 

[Markitron]

If i wanna play RE2 the 'old way' i'll play it on the old systems. A remake should do more than cater to what's left of the old fanbase.

Well then they shouldn't be calling it Resident Evil 2 in that case. That game is beloved, and if you put that name on the box then people will expect it to play a certain way.

My worry is them messing up the pacing.

OG RE1 I wouldn't say was paced well, and Remake really helps improve on it.

RE2 has perfect pacing, easily the best paced Resi game.

If you are referring to the old school RE games then I probably agree with you, but RE4 has the best pacing of any game I have ever played. 15 hours and it never stops surprising and never lets up even once.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Subjective, it even had a new campaign

That isn't subjective at all.

RE0 is a remaster, not a new game.

 

[AuthenticM]

How likely is it that the game will use the RE Engine from RE7?

 

[encephalon]

If you wanna play an old-school style game play the old game. Don't diss people for wanting something new out of this remake because you're stuck in the past. I hope it plays exactly like RE7 or revelations and leaves the old school RE shit on the PS1 where it belongs. If i wanna play RE2 the 'old way' i'll play it on the old systems. A remake should do more than cater to what's left of the old fanbase.

But would RE2 benefit from a Revelations like set up? And what would that mean?

On the surface, REmake looks like RE1 with a new coat of paint. In reality, it brought some pretty big changes to the title. I don't necessarily feel that RE2 has to have prerendered backgrounds and fixed camera angles to be good or even largely faithful to the spirit of the original game. But I think it's also possible for it to bring new things to the table within those confines.

 

[Skeeter49]

If you want to make a more action heavy game, that's why spinoffs exist.

The mainline series doesn't need anymore bad games.

They got lucky with RE4, which is a great game. 5 and 6 tried to recreate that and failed. If Resi 8 takes a more action heavy approach I'll give them the chance they deserve after Resi 7, but 2 needs to be more in the classic style, that's just something you don't mess with. RE2 controls fine to this day.

Maybe do a spinoff to Remake 2 if they want to go that way. Tie it into one of the Resi books that isn't based off a game already.

 

[Sesha]

If you wanna play an old-school style game play the old game. Don't diss people for wanting something new out of this remake because you're stuck in the past. I hope it plays exactly like RE7 or revelations and leaves the old school RE shit on the PS1 where it belongs. If i wanna play RE2 the 'old way' i'll play it on the old systems. A remake should do more than cater to what's left of the old fanbase.

There is no such thing as old gameplay. What a dated mindset. Makes me think of the 90s hateboner for 2D graphics. RE7 is first person, the first FPS came out in 1974. Free aim is older than RE. RE7 uses classic RE mechanics. Classic RE has newer mechanics than RE7. RE7 doesn't even have newer stuff like Crimson Heads or corpse burning, or the zapping system from 0. Who is dissing anyone? RE7 is a new game. RE7 came out this year, Revelations 2 in 2015. Those are new games within those styles people can play. The last classic RE came out in 2003. RE2 isn't RE2 remake, just as RE1 isn't REmake. Should? Why should it? Objectively speaking, RE HD outsold Revelations 1, so by your argument they should cater to the "old fan base" as well.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Well then they shouldn't be calling it Resident Evil 2 in that case. That game is beloved, and if you put that name on the box then people will expect it to play a certain way.

And if Resident Evil 2 Remake is a $60 retail release, many people will not expect it to play just like the PS1 game.

No matter what happens, people are going to be disappointed. For example, I would be very happy with a classic-style game but I want the look and style of RE4/5 with slower-paced gameplay.

What I don't want is a single first person moment in the game. I will be massively disappointed if we don't get to see Claire or Leon while we play.

 

[luulubuu]

That isn't subjective at all.

RE0 is a remaster, not a new game.

Is still a re release with new elements, anyways I stated my position about remake 2 long enough now.

I want a new classic RE I'm also curious that they would make a fantastic game using a tps formula and that doesn't mean action re, more than focus on the character.

So you don't want to play something new?

Stop whining and read what I said.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I was talking about new games, not re-releases.

15 years without a new RE in the classic style is a LONG time.

I mean maybe there's a reason behind that. You guys are saying that I don't want a new classic RE when I already said many times that I want to I would like a reimagination of the game to see what they could pull off. That's it.

 

[Jawmuncher]

How likely is it that the game will use the RE Engine from RE7?

99.9%

 

[ZombieFred]

99.9%

We did see some zombie skin model tests during RE7 development.

 

[AuthenticM]

99.9%

good

That game looked amazing. Proof that you don't need prerendered graphics anymore to look photorealistic. RE2make can simply look like RE7 in real time while using fixed camera angles and it'll not only look and play like classic RE, but it'll look better than REmake.

 

[Sesha]

Stop whining and read what I said.

So you don't, then.

 

[luulubuu]

There is no such thing as old gameplay. What a dated mindset. Makes me think of the 90s hateboner for 2D graphics. RE7 is first person, the first FPS came out in 1974. Free aim is older than RE. RE7 uses classic RE mechanics. Classic RE has newer mechanics than RE7. RE7 doesn't even have newer stuff like Crimson Heads or corpse burning, or the zapping system from 0. Who is dissing anyone? RE7 is a new game. RE7 came out this year, Revelations 2 in 2015. Those are new games within those styles people can play. The last classic RE came out in 2003. RE2 isn't RE2 remake, just as RE1 isn't REmake. Should? Why should it? Objectively speaking, RE HD outsold Revelations 1 and 2, so by your argument they should cater to the "old fan base" rather than people that liked Revelations.

Got enter stuck?

So you don't, then.

Man now this is really sad. I mean in fashion with your other posts but still.

 

[encephalon]

Let's just stay away from first person. Seeing Claire and Leon limp around the R.P.D. are part of what made the game iconic. There should be some level of deference to the presentation of the original game - it was incredible.