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Jim Sterling: Microsoft, You Greedy Wankers! Let's Talk Forza 7...
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Jack The Nipper
Banned
Can't listen to this guy since he tried to convince us sonic 4 would be good and that the ones complaining were wankers
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Totally read that title in Jim's voice.
SuicidalSteve
Member
I even heard the "AAA" in the childish manner haha!
This isn't an across-the-board dismissal of the criticisms (I WANT this sort of pressure against publishers), but I always raise an eyebrow when a game getting criticized for its publisher removing and selling back content is the one with the most "core" content in basically a whole genre.
TrumanBurbank
Member
Love how you ran to this post and posted super fast to get in your hate.
Master troll.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I mean you are keeping a very long and strong grudge against a mediocre opinion about a mediocre game. Almost as if you're trolling because he trolled you.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Not really in just don't think one persons opinion is any sort of definitive answer. And he did try to say it would be great possibly before release, point being it's still just his idea.
I guess you are trolling me with this.
chronic_archaic
Member
I can't remember if I'm out of touch with Jim or he always did videos on AAA bullshit or indie game scandal bullshit every damn week.
What's wrong with that if the issues keep coming up. Ignore, check out his other stuff, someone else's stuff. He isn't beating a dead horse here, gaming is going down the drain with this crap and it's getting worse with each passing month, year.
noonespecial
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PackAPunchedMick
Member
"he's right you know!".gif
Jim hits the nail on the head.... Again.
Jim hits the nail on the head.... Again.
I earn 100,000CR a race and clicking Quick Mod.
Also, you dont use Mods to change time of day.
Thats true...sadly.
Also, you dont use Mods to change time of day.
Thats true...sadly.
In a way, the exact same thing is happening with Metroid: Samus Returns / Nintendo.
Unlocking a difficulty and art gallery ? Buy an amiibo (four if you want the complete galleries). Remember when you could unlock Hypermode in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption ? Complete the game on Hard. Don't buy an amiibo.
Unlocking a difficulty and art gallery ? Buy an amiibo (four if you want the complete galleries). Remember when you could unlock Hypermode in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption ? Complete the game on Hard. Don't buy an amiibo.
Jim speaks for a lot of us. And we gladly lend our voice to him, because we know his voice travels far enough for our concerns to be heard.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Generally I've grown really tired of his style lately, but I am interested in hearing more about this so I'll give this one a watch.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
But how will this ever stop? Reviewers stepping up and lowering scores on full-priced games with Microtransactions? Hmm, maybe that might make a dent but it's so unlikely to occur it's almost not worth mentioning.
The real stopping force would be people not buying the game, and also somehow communicating that they AREN'T buying the game because of these shit practices. And I'm ashamed to say there's some Microtransaction apologists on GAF, but even for us fighting the good fight, I don't think it's enough.
The real stopping force would be people not buying the game, and also somehow communicating that they AREN'T buying the game because of these shit practices. And I'm ashamed to say there's some Microtransaction apologists on GAF, but even for us fighting the good fight, I don't think it's enough.
Id like Fifa to get less points cuz of FUT...but no-one will.
GHG
Member
I was just about to post this. I don't usually like Jim's stuff but I think he gets several points across well in this video.
Basically the whole career mode is geared around opening a lootboxes to get items that enable you to earn more credits in order to get another loot box ∞
People saying "oh well I'm having no problem getting credits" are failing to realise that it's because they are trapped in the system exactly as they intended you to be. The moment you loop out and stop opening the loot boxes is the moment credits start becoming harder to come by. That's bullshit. Especially considering they took away the risk/reward bonus system (with the assists) that enabled you to earn more credits simply through pushing yourself and by getting better at the game (as it should be!).
Sure, you can earn decent credits by doing longer races and by increasing the difficulty up to one of the top two options but not everybody has the skill or the time (or both) to do that, and they know it.
In this system nobody wins.
And that's not even getting into the whole driver gear rubbish which is entirely pointless and only exists to sell lootboxes/microtransactions. Oh and there happens to be an achievement attached to them as well.
I've got one that can turn a day race into a night race sitting in my current mods list.
Basically the whole career mode is geared around opening a lootboxes to get items that enable you to earn more credits in order to get another loot box ∞
People saying "oh well I'm having no problem getting credits" are failing to realise that it's because they are trapped in the system exactly as they intended you to be. The moment you loop out and stop opening the loot boxes is the moment credits start becoming harder to come by. That's bullshit. Especially considering they took away the risk/reward bonus system (with the assists) that enabled you to earn more credits simply through pushing yourself and by getting better at the game (as it should be!).
Sure, you can earn decent credits by doing longer races and by increasing the difficulty up to one of the top two options but not everybody has the skill or the time (or both) to do that, and they know it.
In this system nobody wins.
And that's not even getting into the whole driver gear rubbish which is entirely pointless and only exists to sell lootboxes/microtransactions. Oh and there happens to be an achievement attached to them as well.
I've got one that can turn a day race into a night race sitting in my current mods list.
Crayon
Member
Hey leeh's alright and he's not even here rn. C'mon.
sems4arsenal
Member
Oh man he didn't hold back. Scummy move. Funny thing is, GT used to do it and have stopped doing it after the backlash. For Turn 10 to do the opposite is stupid af.
Audioboxer
Member
Here we go. Thanks in advance Jim, just about to watch as I'm currently posting in a Forza VIP topic...
edit: Decent bashing of Turn 10. He did surprisingly forget to point out the VIP bait and switch, only mentioned assists.
edit: Decent bashing of Turn 10. He did surprisingly forget to point out the VIP bait and switch, only mentioned assists.
It won't stop because the general public buy this stuff. They wouldn't be putting it in games if people didn't buy it. And quite honestly it doesn't seem to both the general public.
Title says it all really.
That A+ discussion deflection.
Yh videos take seconds to make afterall when you're sick /s.
That A+ discussion deflection.
jongkookie
Member
Oh good Jim did a video about this, gonna watch it at lunch lol.
I refunded my Ultimate edition copy this morning coz of this bullshit.
Its a damn shame too coz there is a fun game underneath it... but it aint worth it right now. Maybe when the game is a tenner, especially if they decide to keep the bullshit.
I refunded my Ultimate edition copy this morning coz of this bullshit.
Its a damn shame too coz there is a fun game underneath it... but it aint worth it right now. Maybe when the game is a tenner, especially if they decide to keep the bullshit.
LastGamer84
Member
Great video by Jim as always. The kicking your hat analogy was rather apt. AAA devs don't need this to make money, they need it to make MORE money. The more money they make, the more they pour into crap like this. The more microtransactions they push, the more money they make, so they cut more things out and sell them back to you...to make even more money.
It does not...it gives you more CR if its a Night Race.
I use a few Rain in the Rain ones as the game recommends it...only for it to start wet and not rain...so I get no extra CR.
Or they didnt do it for GT because you cant do it with 200 cars without looking worse haha.
Though the Backgrounds you put cars in could be Loot Boxes if they wanted....
Liliana Eileen
Member
Stop trying to incite console wars.
There might be merit to the reviewer thing though, 2k contacted a very very small website (The Six Axis?) whose reach is nooooo where near the likes of IGN, Gamespot or I'll hazard a guess and say not even Jim Sterling yet when they fucked up that Metacritic score it bothered the publisher enough to react.
GHG
Member
They decided to spend money on bringing people in (or hiring consultants) to fine tune this loot crate system they have instead of hiring people to improve the AI or to make the weather/TOD system extend across all tracks. How about do some animated pit stops instead of this loot crate stuff you've put so much effort into? That would be nice as well...
https://youtu.be/JPlpJaY6zpg
Bits N Pieces
Member
Classy.....
Wow, yeah. Me too.
BeardyChan
Member
I think he missed a few points, but the sentiment is the same. The one thing that really got to me was how car progression has been gated and just how egregious they are with the changes to the game's economy. There are a lot of things from previous Forza games that Turn 10 decided to change and or remove entirely from the game just to make their prize packs. Want that awesome car and have the credits for it? Too bad you've not collected enough cars to level up your collection to get the opportunity to buy that car. But if you use those credits on a lucky prize pack you might have the opportunity to get it. So what will it be, you either take a chance or you wait and continue to spend more time in the games loop. There is no winning with this game, even the driver levels have car unlocks that don't give you the cars but rather give you discounts. It's little changes like that which have made me so sour, and that's before I even get into the VIP stuff.
LOL good to know I'm not the only one doing it like this.
GHG
Member
Holy shit I've just worked out what you are saying about how the tier system fits into the loot boxes.
This is a finely tuned machine that always loops you back to the loot boxes.
Great episode, Jim.
I'd actually completely forgotten that Robin Williams Popeye movie existed... but yeah, on point some of what I've been reading on here about this game's cash grabbing has been pretty awful and also the amount of blinkered defense forcing such practices seems to be attracting kind of appalling (If totally unsurprising from certain gaffers of course), but I didn't quite realise it was quite as bad as what was described in this video. Just glad I've always found the Forza series to be pretty boring and never bothered too much with it.
I'd actually completely forgotten that Robin Williams Popeye movie existed... but yeah, on point some of what I've been reading on here about this game's cash grabbing has been pretty awful and also the amount of blinkered defense forcing such practices seems to be attracting kind of appalling (If totally unsurprising from certain gaffers of course), but I didn't quite realise it was quite as bad as what was described in this video. Just glad I've always found the Forza series to be pretty boring and never bothered too much with it.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
We didnt had a real metroid game for a long time so i am ok with it.
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