guybrushfreeman
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Wow! Really! Im free to protest! Thanks so much!!! Youre so sweet you know, I guess I might just do that
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Star Wars Battlefront 2s Microtransactions Are Shaping up to Be Pay-To-Win
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Wow! Really! Im free to protest! Thanks so much!!! Youre so sweet you know, I guess I might just do that
Good to see you agreeing its cheating (p2w).
I wonder how long those races would last and how popular they would be when cheating is allowed with more money.
Lets go play hockey / football etc. and with every extra 10mil $ you give you can have 1 extra player on the field, would be so good competitions.
Audioboxer
Member
EA not wanting to get left behind with the loot box feeding frenzy bonanza. As much as there is things wrong with cosmetic baiting/predatory practices, power/gameplay modifying loot box bollocks in MP games is pathetic.
Someone is going to have to create a loot box indexing website to catalog the bullshit all these devs are pulling and let gamers see everything. For some of us it would be a wallet blacklist to cross-reference.
Someone is going to have to create a loot box indexing website to catalog the bullshit all these devs are pulling and let gamers see everything. For some of us it would be a wallet blacklist to cross-reference.
texhnolyze
Banned
Consumer behavior has changed (and is still changing), why wouldn't they join the party?
It's not something that can be altered overnight. But they've been moving the bar slowly all these years. People just didn't realize.
MiguelItUp
Member
I would hope that no "professional reviewer" would alter their final review score because of a loot and crate system I don't HAVE to put money into or partake in. Or one that, while possibly dirty or sketch, doesn't completely negatively impact the entire experience.
The Faceless Master
Member
Bad Company 2 all over again :/
Been saying this system is going to suck for a long time and the beta confirmed it. When I got like a rare damage resistance card for a ship which is just straight up better than the normal one, that was when the whole game just felt disgusting. That's not how you do this.
The ability system is fundamentally broken with people just having better stuff than others. In COD there might be an ability like Juggernaut, but it's the fucking same for everyone. You also get it easy as hell.
Glad to see SG-17 is already around astroturfing. Hope he gets payed well, because anything else would be pathetic.
The ability system is fundamentally broken with people just having better stuff than others. In COD there might be an ability like Juggernaut, but it's the fucking same for everyone. You also get it easy as hell.
Glad to see SG-17 is already around astroturfing. Hope he gets payed well, because anything else would be pathetic.
Jep.
I get the allure of filling bars and unlocking stuff but it's not great for the competitive aspect of the game. Especially if it's randomized "cards". Even without MT's it's a shitty system.
Evolution of Metal
Member
Sometimes it is a great push to try new items/playstyles, but every system can be pushed to the annoying levels of grind which stalls the progress ruining the experience. Battlefield has some great tasks, while others are idiotic (like using tools which clearly aren't good/effective).
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Wish devs would be a little more creative at least in how they did this, at least lol. Crates, chests, boxes.... epic and legendary...
I'd almost rather they just sold GTA$ or some shit. The whole gambling/trading card element to it, even if it's cheaper, somehow just feels scummier.
I'd almost rather they just sold GTA$ or some shit. The whole gambling/trading card element to it, even if it's cheaper, somehow just feels scummier.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well thank you EA, now i only care about SP content. See ya winter sale next year SWBF2... but that of course if SP content is worth playing, which we'll find out soon enough.
I just had to check... lol you are right.. these posts should be worth some money (ingame or real)
This convinced me.. this is not Pay to win.. lol
wtf,,?
it´s like saying those free mobile games where you can spend money to unlock stuff faster aren't P2W .. it is just Pay to save time..
As the Beta has showed...
this is pay to win.. you can pay to get more powerful cards faster. You can wait and see if you get a free loot crate in the game by leveling up or by finishing challenges, but there still is a STORE, where you can unlock it by a simple button press (and a slight tingle in your real life wallet)...
and YES, the cards makes your character more powerful, so that you can have an advantage over other players.
So you can SPIN it like you want to.. but don't be shocked.
this is pay to win. (unless they make it impossible to buy with real life money once the game launches)..
Well it affects the gameplay experience when you don't purchase the microtransactions:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1443533
Slippery slope. Imagine more games doing it where they introduce big grinding segments in their games behind which they hide cool stuff,"true" endings etc. And then people who can't or don't want to spend money to "speed things up" will be forced to either do the boring,tedious grind for hours or just skip the content in a game they already paid 60$ for.
I don't like where this is going...
Big tedious grinds to unlock "true endings" and stuff like that are incredibly common in videogames. Especially nowadays with open world and loot games being en vogue. It's a cheap way to stretch content.
But yeah, MT's to "skip some grind" immediately makes one suspicious. Rightly so.
Not as common in SP games and when they were such they were called out most of the time.
Mabe i'm playing the wrong games but 100% most modern (and many old) games is a terrible grind.
Unless it's like .. a 6 hour shooter campaing. But those are super rare now.
Well sure,these things happen but that doesn't mean this is good game design and people like it. Like you said it's a cheap way to stretch content.
The way things are going in 2018 MT like that might be a common thing. Should we stop talking about it and just accept it? Hell no.
Nah, P2W lootboxes are bad, i agree.
But - grinding is popular, regardless of the existance of lootboxes.
Can you name as per your statement which ones had a grind about a secret true ending or an important part of the story, were not part of the gameplay mechanism and were not called out for this?
I've only played the beta like 3-4 hours so I don't know how bad the Star Cards loot box grind is.
They seem to dole out loot crates at an ok pace but I don't know how much rare or legendary cards affect gameplay.
My early impression is not that much.
It's a price we are paying to keep the Battlefront community as one but I do wish this loot box crap could stick to cosmetics only.
They seem to dole out loot crates at an ok pace but I don't know how much rare or legendary cards affect gameplay.
My early impression is not that much.
It's a price we are paying to keep the Battlefront community as one but I do wish this loot box crap could stick to cosmetics only.
you cant really use the beta as an indicator for how much loot you will get..
it says here:
Yeah you make a damn fair point.
Drop rates could be reduced for final release and the beta is just there to make us feel good about unlocks.
Also from my earlier post, I undersold the insane amount of stuff to unlock i.e. varying rarity of star cards, emotes, victory poses (lol), weapons (?) so the grind looks to be fucking real.
Sleight of Jam
Banned
Unless they overhaul the lootcrates to solely cosmetic or at the very least so it doesn't impact actual gameplay - nobody should be supporting this game in its current state.
Those that are saying "but it doesn't seem that bad so far". For starters it's a beta, and second that's ridiculous and accepting it is exactly what's wrong with the industry today.
Those that are saying "but it doesn't seem that bad so far". For starters it's a beta, and second that's ridiculous and accepting it is exactly what's wrong with the industry today.
Snoopycat
Banned
Heh. That's funny. I don't know how anyone can try to spin these lootboxes as not being p2w. Anything that gives 1 player an advantage over others is p2w. There's no gray area with this. If a player can out shoot me or move faster than me because he bought a token, that is p2w.
Nobody is being fucked over in this game.
Core principle of implementation is identical. You have option to either play / grind it out or use to shortcut the system and purchase power (cards, orcs, swords, blaster... doesn't matter, power is power) hence skipping the playing part.
In both cases you can argue that LB's are there just so player(s) can save time by investing more into the system, but still paying for power is paying for power and you are skipping part where you grind / farm / whatever for said power.
Also like Hamnik pointed out later on this thread (after your post) crate content and loot quality distribution seen in Battlefront 2 beta is just for that, beta. Values are subject to change by release and if they have to point it out like that within the client sensible conclusion is that they are considering making grind... well grindier.
Hamniks post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=251119805&postcount=374
Just like not purchasing loot boxes in Battlefront 2 will directly affect your gameplay experience. You actually need to grind until your knuckles bleed in order to get those legendary and epic cards of power. Alternatively you can throw out some and shortcut the system, just like in Shadow of War. Both game are pure garbage in that aspect, selling direct power to player.
At least in case of Shadow of War multiple reviewers have came out to say that if you bother to maintain your army through the game etc. grind in last Act isn't as huge deal as some make it out to be.
Maybe that will apply to Battlefront 2 too.
Cyborgmatt
Member
Edit: Wrong thread.
Which is literally pay 2 win that some people are have an extremely hard time understanding such a basic construct.
Imagine being in combat with someone, you both land equal shots but their cool down ticks off faster to get off an ability.
"Damn, guess they were better than me
".That's why I like the model of overwatch, you just play a game.
Nothing else, just play..... whatever happens happens because of skill and situation.
Not because Hanzo's scatter arrow was 3 seconds faster than me, or another.
Yup, prime example for P2W. It's totally gross.
Dreams-Visions
Member
*slaps table*
Easy hard pass for me. I wish you guys excusing this shit could hear yourselves.
Easy hard pass for me. I wish you guys excusing this shit could hear yourselves.
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
Wow. And with that, I've gone from "day-one buy" to "not even remotely interested." Western AAA publishers are a plague on video games.
Vital Tundra
Member
I fully expect the crates to cost more in game currency and the drop rates on higher tier stuff to be lowered on the full release.
Youth Crew
Member
It was exactly like that for the Overwatch Beta also.
If I pay $60 for a game I don't want the publisher/developer to make it a grind in an attempt to squeeze more money out of me, and that's what lootboxes with gameplay-modifying content encourages them to do.
The essence of these lootboxes isn't to give people more content for more money, but to alleviate an (artificial) grind if they pay-up. 'Don't like that person having a more powerful version of that perk? Well grind to get a roll of the dice or pay up'. It's just shitty, and it makes Battlefront 2 an easy game to skip.
The essence of these lootboxes isn't to give people more content for more money, but to alleviate an (artificial) grind if they pay-up. 'Don't like that person having a more powerful version of that perk? Well grind to get a roll of the dice or pay up'. It's just shitty, and it makes Battlefront 2 an easy game to skip.
VectorVictor
Member
Well, after reading this thread, I cancelled my pre-order.
Thanks NeoGAFers for saving me money and future consternation.
Thanks NeoGAFers for saving me money and future consternation.
EXCEPT D2 only rewards blue mods from packages
each character gets three bright engrams very quickly a week.
I already have 3 exotic emotes and a bunch of other "p2w" things without paying.
But just goes to show people will read an article and use that as a voice,
instead of you know playing the actual game, but typically Destiny has always been the cool to hate thing around here,
so I'm no longer shocked by inaccurate posts such as these, I just find it laughable within a "hardcore nexus of gamers" most read headlines over playing games.
Plumpbiscuit
Member
And this is why I rarely buy AAA anymore and support certain indie/mid tier devs now, they may be on a budget but their ideas and heart are in the right place. This loot box shite is sickening.