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Shadow of Mordors true ending - Grinding or Lootboxes
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boybrushdRED
Member
So I already pre purchased the gold edition. Would that be enough for the true ending or do I need to spend more?
Andodalf
Banned
You dont need to purchase anything. Play the end part as long as you want. When the DLC comes out itll give new opportunities for orcs and Mirian that will allow you to finish much easier than when just the base game exists. Thats my plan. Referencing the Tribe DLCs here, not story ones. Thosell come after and Ill want the true ending before them.
From my impressions of what people are saying, it isn't anywhere as egregious as NBA 2k.
Where in terms of impact to the game it goes from worst to least bad: NBA 2k18 -> Forza 7 -> SoM2.
cleveridea
Member
It's about motive. Without money involved, its down to a developer to create the best experience for their game, so in cases like RPG's there is a history of new game+ which prolongs game length - something that traditionally was part of the base game ie not DLC.
By creating a monetary incentive for padding a game's length, people are concerned that a game is potentially worsened due to padding designed for paid DLC sake alone rather than purely for the customers best interest. This means maximizing a games ability to extract profit versus longevity for the player benefit only.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Here's the problem with that line of thought though. Every game with a season pass or planned dlc also wants to keep you playing and to prevent you from selling the game, thus, potentially, also having a profit incentive influencing game design.
But that has long been a complaint too, where cut content would appear in DLC, leaving people to wonder if it was deliberately cut.
The second dimension to this is that content is just that: "content". It isn't game design, if you're satisfied with the initial offering then you get additional content. Here it appears that the initial offering is being modified to be worse to accommodate extra revenue streams in the base product.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Out of interest how much money would you expect to splash out to get the true ending?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This is a good point. But wasnt the first game knocked on a bit because the nemisis system wasn't fleshed out enough, especially in terms of end game?
People asked for a better use of the nemisis system and it seems the devs did just that. If the boxes can be earned via in game currency, then I see it as a way to make the nemisis system more randomized thus making the end game more enjoyable.
If the boxes were there but weren't able to be purchased via real cash I wonder if people would be nearly as upset.
I'm not the biggest fan of loot boxes/packs, but this implentation doesn't seem nearly as sinister in my eyes considering what the nemisis system is. Say as something like Forza 7.
I can't really say that orcs magically coming into existence via boxes is what I had in mind in regards to expanding the nemesis system. Part of the appeal of that was having enemies that presumably had some kind of history in the world prior to you encountering them, and loot boxes completely take that away by having them just pop in because you got a good roll.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
It's been awhile since I've played it and obviously haven't played the new one since it's not out, but I remember there being kinda one major baddie at the top every time with a few captains below him. Adding in a legendary or high level orc all of the sudden could throw in some major changes due to how the system works. To me it adds a challenge.
And I get your comment about that's not how you thought it would work, but it's clear that's what the devs thought people wanted.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
This exists to exploit gambling addictions, some might spend a few dollars, some might spend hundreds.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
exactly, thats what I hate the most. If it was a fixed amount it would still be totally shit but easier to contextualise for time saving purposes but now this is fucking shit.
Andodalf
Banned
Guys I don't think you understand the lootboxes here. This isn't your usual .000000001% chance to get the best type of orc thing. The highest tier loot box (6$? 600 gold)) gives a guaranteed 4 Legendary orcs and 1 paper that turns any orc legendary. No rolls or chance involved. The other paid chest (2$? 200 gold) gives 1 legendary every time, and two with a chance to be legendary, in addition to two boosts or training orders.. Unless you want every orc in your army to be legendary, I don't see how you could spend more than 50 bucks.
Video for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rowHUyvec
Video for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rowHUyvec
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Dude that is still shit
Why spend them in the first place?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You dont even need to buy loot boxes for legendaries. Thats the best part.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
So its more like getting punched in the gut instead of curb stomped......yay
If this game were F2P, that would be fine with me, but its $60 and has a season pass.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Andodalf
Banned
Not at all, compared to the gatcha games many commenters are comparing too. This is a 100% chance, and a 100% chance plus two unknown chances, for reasonable prices, compared to gatchas. A guaranteed eltie card is madden is 5$ and can be trash. a guaranteed legend is 15$ and can be trash. their guaranteed good cards are 100$. and can still be trash.
I won't. But people who want to
A: know what they're getting
B: Couldn't possibly need to spend hundreds
Those are most peoples complaints, and they are dead wrong.
Legendaries exist in the world by default and can be dominated like any other orc.
Heckler456
Banned
People should ask themselves that question, and think of another reason than "game reviewers are in the pocket of the publishers".
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You can get legendary orcs in the wild by capturing them. Theres also a chance to get them off the free loot boxes you can get through ijn game currency.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Legendaries exist in the world and like the guy who said "it takes 40-50 hours to see the endgame if you don't buy lootboxes!1!" whoever said that legendaries only spawn from loot boxes was talking out of their ass.
Andodalf
Banned
Because 2k is far, far, worse? Their card game has horrendous odds compared to this (100% for legendary compared to waaay sub 1% for good cards in 2k), and in SINGLEPLAYER it takes a lot of money in VC to make your player OK, and every year they let you earn less in game.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
There's ways to handle this in a more consumer friendly way
1.Dont put MTs in the game
2.Make the game F2P
3.Eliminate lootboxes and let people pick exactly what they want and use the money to fund the DLC free for everyone (Titanfall 2s model)
Your entire argument is basically "Well its not as bad as the other bad exploitive practices", If thats the best defense someone can come up with for something, then that something shouldn't be in the game.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Lol at suggesting to make a game with a production this expensive F2P.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Lol at suggesting that the richest publishers in the history of the industry need to exploit gambling addictions to make money.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Gonna watch the extra ending on youtube just like I did Arkham Knight. There are too many other good games to play than worrying about earning some 5-10 second cutscene.
Andodalf
Banned
"I want games to be just as good, and I want to pay less for them"
60$ is less today than in 2006. And games cost far more to make. this game would never have been approved as a F2P, and honestly probably had to have MTs to get a green light. That's what it takes for publishers to make these big games these days. There are some exceptions, especially by first parties, but they are fewer and fewer.
THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE IN THESE LOOTBOXES. 6$ GUARANTEES YOU 5 OF THE HIGHEST TIER. STOP WITH THIS FALLACY OF IT BEING IN PLACE TO MANIPULATE GAMBLERS. THAT IS TRUE OF GATCHA GAMES AND SPORTS GAME'S CARD MODES, BUT NOT THIS.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Gonna watch the extra ending on youtube just like I did Arkham Knight. There are too many other good games to play than worrying about earning some 5-10 second cutscene. We also have Mario Odyssey, Evil Within 2, and Wolfenstein 2 in this month alone
Heckler456
Banned
Even if you convince that guy, there's a hundred right around the corner who will keep perpetuating it. There's really no use.
PSlayer
Member
People already spent $60 or more in the game and they have to spent up to $50 more to access everything?
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
Sauron would be proud of Warner Brothers.
Andodalf
Banned
Oh my god. If you don't want to actually play the game at all, then sure. You can spend maybe that much and instantly finish the game. Or, you know, actually, play the game.
Many were saying that gamblers would spend 100s trying to get a decent orc. my 50$ number was simply refuting that, saying that the most anyone would reasonably spend is far lower.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Even then we dont know how many legendary orcs make the end game easier. Maybe its 2. Maybe its 40. Who knows.
Andodalf
Banned
5 keeps, 1 overlord and I believe 5 warlords each. if you had every single one legendary it would be 30. So to make each and every keep completely legendary is 36$ (6$ x 5 orcs per), assuming you find none in the campaign, which you will. Also, I highly doubt you need every keep orc legendary, plus you can get papers to move orcs from keep to keep with Miran, further lowering the amount needed.
SO 36$, max, if you don't play the game at all. 0$ if you play.
The only reason Legendary Orcs make it easier than Epic orcs is that Legendary orcs have one additional immunity and some other minor perk changes.
Youre defending paying the price of an entire game just to see the real ending in a timely manner?
Andodalf
Banned
Nope, I'm saying you probably don't need them, and if you do buy them, they aren't made to manipulate people's tendency to gamble.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
You know exactly what you're getting from the boxes. How is it gambling? You're not paying for the chance to get a legendary you're straight up getting a legendary.
Exactly.
Heckler456
Banned
If it's not a form of gambling, does it matter?
See that's not bad,36 bucks is a good price. /s
Wonder how many will actually spend that kind of money on this.