MissCauthon
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EA shuts down Visceral, moves Star Wars game to EA Vancouver/others
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Cymbal Head
Banned
This one got me.
CelestialWolfZX
Member
Do we have an image chalkboard of all the companies killed by EA?
Turned into GaaS.
The definition for GaaS isn't really described by a personal feeling, man.
facetheslayer92
Member
That piece of shit sold 16 million !?
Didnt they try to sell you half the game with a $50 season pass?
Wildo09
Member
They want a fucking cow machine? Isn't Battlefront enough? Can't they make the investment of a great single player Star Wars adventure? Fuck EA, fuck them all the way to loot boxes hell.
And this happens to the studio that gave us one of last generations best horror games. *sobs*
And this happens to the studio that gave us one of last generations best horror games. *sobs*
Not only that. But you can probably count these games are two fucking hands.
Obliterator
Member
What example can you name in the industry currently that is a AAA single player focused title and isn't open world from a 3rd party that was successful.
finalflame
Member
It seems this way for big studios and their publishers. Only studios with a lot of money and agency (read: not beholden to a publisher) can make the conscious decision to invest time and effort into a product that would otherwise make more money with open world and multiplayer centric elements. One of the few companies I know like this is Valve, but they tend to follow market tendencies with tenacity. The other is CDPR, and they seem to be persevering in their mission with Cyberpunk 2077.
I think the future of large single-player experiences rests in the hands of "AA" titles like Hellblade. Studios that can leverage talent and tech to make great single-player games on a smaller budget and still recoup their investment with a profit. This might be the new role of the multiple independent studios that have found great success in their release (Campo Santo and Chucklefish come to mind).
But yah, the days of EA, Ubi, Activision, and other large publishers funding AAA single-player titles are gone. The sharks have tasted blood, and now they want the rest of the carcass, too.
My guess is If they sell a company and there next games will be a huge hit it will make them look stupid.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
You don't get to define what GaaS means.
Not jumping on the "GaaS is inherently evil!!!!" and making an incredibly broad assumption based on very little information is not damage control.
UC4 has MP. Anyhow what linear SP games w/o GaaS are EA, Ubi or Activision publishing annually that are not massive sellers? That was my point.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Games as a Service provide a constant revenue stream to the publisher rather than a once-off purchase of the game itself.
Patches and updates don't make a GaaS. Uncharted 4 and Horizon aren't GaaS because the main product, the singleplayer, exists as a static product regardless of patches.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It's not that surprising. Those are all games that likely required a shit ton of money and resources, not something every developer has access to. With the middle tier no longer existing, creating AAA SP games to the standard of expectation and polish of developers like ND and Nintendo is no easy feat.
Little Monser;252310595 said:
But those weren't open world. The public just doesn't like lineary focused games anymore ( at least i hope that's the problem).
Though Prey wasn't linear in it's map structure. I think Bethesda didn't make this very clear though.
Still i hope single player games can live on, if they have open worlds. I know not everyone likes open worlds. But if that is the price to pay, so that we still can get AAA single player focused games. Well, then i'm willing to pay.
Again you need to remove you're bias. Of course it sold well. In what world did you think it wouldn't? Many people did like it
I can see the 2nd game selling over 10 million as well. Especially since they won't segment the community.
mango drank
Member
Does this guarantee Dead Space is dead? Any chance some other EA studio will take it up, or an external studio will buy the IP or something?
SirNinja
Member
Included the corpse of BioWare because reasons...
Anyone made an updated version of this? The pic's a classic but it's woefully out of date.
EDIT: nvm, that is an updated version! Still needs more corpses though
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Nier Automata
Yoko Taro and Platinum showing people how to make money like everyone predicted.
(But yes, that game was successful in that it was far less expensive to make then most other AAA games and still sold 2m units. It's hard to think of one that has sold over 5m recently).
Psss, even Titanfall sold 10 millions copies.
Obliterator
Member
Yup, exactly.
1st party is the only players in town who can still afford these types of dev cycles because their software doesn't necessarily have to be highly profitable.
3rd parties do not have that leisure
Damn, I feel for them if Visceral's fate was an open secret at the company. Having been laid off, waiting around for the axe to drop is pretty much the worst feeling ever.
Yup. FFXV is a GaaS as well.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Not surprised at all.
Not at EA, but due to the last few 'showings' of Visceral's Star Wars.
Not at EA, but due to the last few 'showings' of Visceral's Star Wars.
Fluffernutter Pancake
Member
And here is the result of Disney giving exclusive Star Wars gaming rights to EA until about 2022 or 2023......................absolute pile of shit, and (counting the first Battlefront as half a game) we'll have gotten 1.5 real Star Wars games, plus a handful of shit mobile games in the 5-6 years since Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney and Lucasarts was shut down.
Such amazing lost potential here. 1313, Any Hennig Star Wars etc. Countless visionary artists and creative dev teams could be producing amazing Star Wars games to rival or surpass the likes of Xwing, Tie Fighter, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, Rogue Squadron, Knights of the Old Republic etc.
Why did this have to happen to Star Wars? Why can't we have nice things?
Such amazing lost potential here. 1313, Any Hennig Star Wars etc. Countless visionary artists and creative dev teams could be producing amazing Star Wars games to rival or surpass the likes of Xwing, Tie Fighter, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, Rogue Squadron, Knights of the Old Republic etc.
Why did this have to happen to Star Wars? Why can't we have nice things?
Dark Cloud
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It seems like Gaas is such a broad term and people make it to be something evil across the board. So many games have DLC.
If this Star Wars game had releases as a single player game and came with future story DLC, how many people would scream "gaas gaas gaas" and call it a negative. I would think people would be happy.
If this Star Wars game had releases as a single player game and came with future story DLC, how many people would scream "gaas gaas gaas" and call it a negative. I would think people would be happy.
They will never sell the IP.
EA killed ORIGIN but the Ultima IP is still in their hands, same for SimCity.
Mass Effect
Member
Uh... That is an updated version. Can't you tell?
Obliterator
Member
Nier Automata
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That game is not a AAA budget by any means. A modern AAA game selling 2 million would be seen as a colossal failure. That game is successful specifically because it's a non AAA game with a fraction of the budget
So lootboxes is your benchmark for GaaS? Hmmmm....
SirNinja
Member
Just realized, see my post.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Were heading toward a crash. I guess Im in the minority now where I will never buy a loot box
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
1313 was cancelled before EA got the SW IP.
"Only the games I don't like count" seems to be a common trend among people who're hysterical about GaaS as a concept.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
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That's what I posted right underneath my smiley face.
AgentLampshade
Member
Oh, they're "revamping" the Star Wars game for a broader audience eh? Yeah, that sounds promising. For fuck sake EA.
I mean most of the mega selling GaaS stuff have SP modes too, so do they not count when arguing the opposite?
Annual SP or MP only things don't really exist. Especially linear SP focused stuff so none.
Obliterator
Member
Sure, I was just emphasizing again AAA non open world single player is essentially a dead space now unless your 1st party
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Yup, I had those same feelings when EA had the Bond license, even if they produced some good games with is. There's so much talent out there, that could possibly tackle a great Star Wars game, yet, all we are stuck with is with EA and a small number of their studios and let's face it, DICE is the only good one they have left (Respawn is independent)
Imagine a Star Wars game by Machinegames, Ubi Montreal or Guerrilla, all those opportunities wasted because of one publisher holding the license.
Well, that's the only company I could see having the capital to do it, but not actually doing so. Ubi is another option, but with Vivendi looming constantly, that's probably too much uncertainty for Disney to handle.
Magic Mushroom
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Glad to hear you're good! Working on anything you can talk about?
After just about every notable studio has moved fully onto riding the GAAS train, I wonder how long it will take for that scene to be overcrowded as fuck. If the idea is to have fewer titles that players hold onto longer, how will it look like when each and every game is like that? Gamers won't dedicate themselves to 10 GAAS games simultaneously. My bold prediction is that we'll start to see more "retro" singleplayer games once again after the customer base has been burnt out on all the GAAS games. Maybe in 12 years or so.
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