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Black Panther - Official Trailer
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Stallion Dan
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No, that was not my argument.
I said MCU was our world with some advances in technology, I never said that made it unrealistic.
The unrealistic part is in our world an entire nation having advanced tech and none of it being known about.
GOTG is far off in space, we shouldn't notice it. Same for Asgard.
The 'Like reality unless noted' trope someone linked applies to MCU. I just find the Wakanda note to be jumping the shark and too big a disconnect from reality.
As people have mentioned Wakanda has a dummy city outside of its possibly hidden inner city protected by a forcefield. 99% of the world know of Wakanda as a 3rd world country with an export of textile, wools and etc to keep themselves afloat. It's such a small country that invaders probably overlook it.
You do know just because they don't regularly interact face to face with western civilization doesn't mean they don't learn from it right? They have advanced technology and most likely some of the most advanced minds on the planet to design those stuff. It's not out of the ordinary that they adopted some structural design elements. Their clothing is still very much African root with modern twists.
The greedy ones wanting to sell secrets are the reason we have Klaw stealing some vibranium.
They have ? And they certainly tried to interfere with Wakanda... and they had their ass booted like everyone who tried to do it
Iron Man tech has already gone much more futuristic with those holographic controls in Stark's home and Ultron etc. I don't think BP being even more advanced would be that much of a stretch in the MCU. Don't dwell on it too much because the movie will most likely explain everything.
Stallion Dan
Member
Doesn't mean they had tech then. I linked to Marvel's site, it says it happened due to T'Challa.
Stallion Dan
Member
That was the case when the character was created, but I believe this was retconned during Hudlins run a while ago. Now in the comics they have been advanced for a while. I would t use Marvels website or data books for information. They can be pretty out of date, especially for more obscure charaters.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I joke about Scott Buck's Wakanda, but it seems like some of y'all really want that. A low budget bastardized version of a nation that is suppose to be the most advanced civilization on earth.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
Original, Kirby/Lee continuity has it that T'Challa made Wakanda what it is. That changed pretty quickly to the nation being advanced well before T'Challa.
Current continuity has them being an African Empire that got a game changer (Vibranium), and ran with it, keeping themselves isolated. That's the one MCU is running with. The Priest to Coates version.
But it's the technology that hides it.
Judging from the trailer, it appears their entire country seems to be hidden within a mirage of those massive waterfalls. I guess people don't expect anything to be there. Maybe they know it exists but actually entering that country is nigh impossible from the tech they use.
They have noticed it.
It just hasn't been the focus of a film, until now.
It doesn't effect history that there was a super solider with super human strength, durability, stamina, and mental capabilities running around during world war 2? Huh? The perfect physiology wouldn't become the new nuclear race and fundamentally change history going forward?
There is nothing to notice. Wakanda has a front country that is nothing out of the ordinary and comparable to it's neighbors. The real Wakanda is hidden by it's superior technology.
A nation that is a step ahead of the world in terms of technological advancement can design their tech to also be steps ahead of what the world is using, which means they can predict how best to cloak and hide their actual infrastructure and electricity output from satellites and radar. And they know what the rest of the world is doing because they send scholars abroad to study.
And who is to say those people haven't been dealt with by Wakandan intelligence agencies? There is nothing that says the rulers of Wakanda have always been benevolent. You can wait till you see the movie to see how they handle it.
And fwiw, there is a long history of the west rejecting any claims made about African civilization. People don't take Africa seriously, which in part is why this story and setting works.
Sure, but if the Wakanda cliches are true - you know, smelting iron before Europe made bronze, splitting the atom a millennium ahead of time - they wouldn't need those influences. They'd have already figured shit out by the time they COULD be influenced.
When Wakanda feels superficially unique, it sort of implies that technological and cultural development is a line from "primitive" to "advanced," with modern Western society as the thing that all societies inevitably become. Don't much care for that.
And I should say that, from what we've seen, it looks like they've put thought into that - I don't see native Wakandans with guns, for example. Why would they have guns? The form and function of a gun exists because of gunpowder. Wakanda has vibranium. WAY better than gunpowder. So their weapons, like the stuff Shuri puts together, don't really work like guns.
I hope they keep the bar at that level.
So let talk about building designs for example. Someone pointed out thhat the buildings in Wakanda look similar to ones we would see in the west. Even when Wakanda has the advanced technology and the right people to adopt those tech into something worthwhile. They might not have the design elements that we have adopted.
Maybe a Wakanda architects was like "Oh look at that building in NY, thats a pretty awesome design with beneficial qualities. We could adapt that for our own and make it better with our technology."
That's what I'm trying to get at here. There is a different in having the technology and a sense of style. Wakanda seems to be a good mix of their own culture and ours because they learned from us.
Jest Chillin
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I'm not the most knowledgable on Wakanda but how I understand it is only the most promising Wakandan minds were sent abroad by T'Chaka to study and returned back to their home country and have improved it. Outwardly, Wakanda presented itself as similar to other countries in the region. Which was not hard as it was technologicially on par with other countries in the region until T'Chaka started selling off the small bits of Vibranium.
It's not that Wakanda has been this incredibly advanced civilization for centuries. It only saw it's tech advance under the ruling of T'Chaka (T'Challa's father). What happened was that the immense wealth and concentrated effort under T'Chaka's rule allowed the extremely small country to advance at an accelerated rate. The tech wasn't learned and created in a vacuum. It was learned from Western Nations and then expanded upon and eventually surpassed entirely with new unique design philosophies.
Consider the difference between tech on a national level in the US, UK, Canada, etc... and South Korea or even the city of Hong Kong. Now add the fact that you've got a different type of Gov't where you don't have factions of people (Industry lobbyists, Politicians, etc...) working against the adoption of the tech and mix in a Marvel world where Super Genius' aren't rare. It really isn't all that far fetched to see a small, focused, incredibly rich nation with several genius' in positions of power advance to an incredible degree.
The isolationist angle, is, again something that sees some change under T'Chaka after the discovery of their Vibranium. They were always a warrior culture who defended their nation against invasion successfully and were distrustful of outside nations but T'Chaka took this even further in order to prevent the country from being attacked and exploited for the Vibranium. So as they advanced he placed particular attention on hiding in plain sight. To the outside world they seem prosperous but not excessively so and their extreme isolationist nature and ability to defend their borders quite successfully make it not worth it for many larger Western powers (Western powers who have, to their knowledge, their own incredible advancements with people like Stark, Richards, Doom, etc...). You also have to consider that many larger powers on the World stage are busy dealing with other things. World Wars, Mutants, super powered humans and villains, etc...
You make a good point about people being unique and self serving. However with Wakanda you have a culture that has been completely satisfied with it's rule and keeping to itself for something like 10,000 years. It's an idyllic nation. Almost utopian in the decisions it's rulers made. Favoring health, education, nature preservation, etc... It's extremely hard to believe when compared to the real world but as many have said, this is a fictional world full of things that are completely impossible in the real world.
And there are no foreign embassy on Wakandan soil because they're isolationist. Anyhow, I might have some of this wrong or it may have changed over the years. Like I said I'm not the most knowledgable on Wakanda. Figured I'd add how I understand the development of the nation though.
Given that Howard Stark ends up with enough Vibranium to create Captain America's shield, and then goes on to be a founder of SHIELD, I reckon that SHIELD plays a part in hiding Wakanda from the world. I can buy into a intelligence agency of that magnitude being able to reduce Wakanda to a conspiracy theory in return for Vibranium and technological expertise.
sixteen-bit
Member
looking forward to watching this film in a cinema
That's how i see it too. Then again, MCU tech from the non Wakanda world is already 20+ years ahead of ours. Iron Mans tech and reactor, Hydras tech (granted, infused/powered by alien power sources), Ant-Man tech and the influence of alien civilizations / individuals etc. So i don't see it as outlandish that Wakanda is what it is.
MarkMclovin
Member
Ah ok. Makes sense now. I guess BP is probably the first Marvel movie where it helps to know a little from the comics?
Infact isn't this the 1st MCU movie without a character origin story?
Well, it's not the origin story to him becoming Black Panther but it is his origin story for becoming the king of Wakanda. From the trailers, it looks like we join him on his first visit back home since becoming King. So Wakanda will be properly introduced as he learns how to become a ruler. Seems like typical origin story plot points.
I don't think it's necessary to know the comics to get what's happening, though.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
The Iron Man armor is a few advancements in technology?
SomedayTheFire
Member
Honestly the most ridiculous thing I've read. There's a film about a guy who can shrink himself to sub atomic sizes using technology and that's OK! But Wakanda is a step too far...
MugiwaraCole
Member
"I'm not biased guys, I just don't understand how Wakanda can have that much tech but be completely hidden from the world?"
The answer is in the question. Y'all are either bigots or idiots. Lose-lose. Jesus Christ.
The answer is in the question. Y'all are either bigots or idiots. Lose-lose. Jesus Christ.
QuantumZebra
Member
This looks fucking sick
First Marvel film I've felt hype for in a looooooooooooong time
QuantumZebra
Member
"Black people couldn't do this tho" is the new sub-narrative for this film just like "A girl couldn't do this tho" with Rey in The Force Awakens.
Casual prejudice and bigotry, nothing to see here.
#1 defender
Member
Right, we even see the ship fly through the cloaking field that conceals Wakanda in the trailer.
Black Panther OT: Only 3/5th as believable as a Raccoon in Space
Boombloxer
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Yoooo
-tetsuo-
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Breh
metalslimer
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Black people having superior tech to the rest of the world is jumping the ship...ok.
In a universe where a spider bite gave someone super strength, and doctor strange can basically manipulate the space time continuum. It says a lot about the world that this is really the first time I've heard these complaints about any completely unrealistic superhero property.
In a universe where a spider bite gave someone super strength, and doctor strange can basically manipulate the space time continuum. It says a lot about the world that this is really the first time I've heard these complaints about any completely unrealistic superhero property.
ThirtyPlus
Member
Yikes
MugiwaraCole
Member
Someone ITT said "So...Wakanda is a Mary Sue?" and I spat out my drink.
Right, we even see the ship fly through the cloaking field that conceals Wakanda in the trailer.
Like, it's all laid out in front of us.
Call a spade a spade.
Boombloxer
Member
Well, so far this is right on schedule.
We're heading for the second coming of the GTA San Andreas thread.
Also worth noting that game outsold the other GTAs by quite a bit.
We're heading for the second coming of the GTA San Andreas thread.
Also worth noting that game outsold the other GTAs by quite a bit.
Byakuya769
Member
In a cinematic universe full of space faring races that have immense empires and galaxy traversing capabilities, and yet have only been involved with earth as small plot points for present day protagonists, yeah.. a secret nation is a bridge too far.
Clearly it needs to be laid out even more with graphics and spreadsheets.
Napoleonthechimp
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It's kinda the first dialogue we hear in the trailer: He's seen gods and aliens, but a black man in charge of a super advanced country? That blows his mind.
Of course it's probably taken out of context but it did make me wonder.
demosthenes
Member
Hot damn, can this be OT please.
Right, we even see the ship fly through the cloaking field that conceals Wakanda in the trailer.
I love this gif.