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[Albino_Yeti]

The future of NeoGAF will be a return to what many of us have come here for, a place where we can gather together and enjoy our shared hobby of video games. For a short time, Off-Topic Discussion and Off-Topic Community will be closed so that we can rediscover that. We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc. Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic. Those types of discussions greatly added to the harsh and unwelcoming atmosphere of Off-Topic, which pushed many users away. For those worried: OT has not been deleted, and important threads will be archived for recovery once it's open again.

Halle-fucking-lujah. Got so damn tired of all the political fighting that went on in OT.

 

[OCD Guy]

It is irrelevant that they dated later.

Hypothetical question for you though, if she added that point to her facebook post would it have garnered a different reaction?

In my mind her statement would have lost a bit of impact, while you can put that to one side, it's a question that people are going to be asking.

For some people they can't imagine ever entering into a relationship with someone who "sexually harassed" them.

 

[BocoDragon]

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on. It's definitely chaotic, but I'm gonna ride the wave to see what happens. Still way too early. But really, I'm lazy. GAF has been a part of my daily routine for a bit now. I've tried offshoot boards before. They rarely move fast enough.

But as a fellow level-headed poster, you should take a wait and see approach as well. I also joined Discords for some of my favorite sub-communities, so I should be golden.

But yes, it's gonna be crazy for a bit for the next few days, weeks, even months. That should be expected. What NuGAF turns into no one really knows, but that is what makes it exciting.

I don't even have discord backups going so maybe you're smarter than I am.

At the end of the day I'll be looking for the true successor to what GAF was. I'm just pretty skeptical it's going to be GAF going forward.

And even I have moral alarms ringing right now... it's not even the allegations alone, but the tone deaf response to it, and how the solution is shutting down discussion. I do not like that.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

He did not deny. He said it's lies and called the woman mentally unstable.

There's other sexual offenses besides rape. Like, come on.

It is irrelevant that they dated later. The point is how he made her feel then, in that one moment, when he was not welcome and she was totally vulnerable.

Is bolded the bit calling her not credible? Or is there something else he said (if so could I get forwarded to it?)

Also the bit about they dating later being irrelevant is not gonna fly anywhere, especially if this goes to court. Even if she says "for the longestime I just thought that was a druken mistake but now (after other actions) I feel disgusted" it's still pretty relevant

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

 

[beato_angelico]

The problem with GAF is mainly that as an outsider it's REALLY complex to understand all the baggage of the "meta".

The moderation was/is a problem insofar a user has no idea about what's allowed and what's not.

For example I've observed that verbal abuse is fine... As long it's targeted at people that the moderation doesn't like, but it's then of course not tolerated in all the other cases.

And that's FINE too. I understand this is a community where people can vent off. It has a certain orientation that has a certain deliberate purpose. It wants to protect a certain category of people that are, so to speak, under the weather in real life. And because of what they get in real life, these people have the right to obtain small exceptions to the rules. To have a place where they can vent off and express legitimate frustration.

But again, this can be hardly understood by someone who comes here and suddenly observes that rules aren't applied uniformly.

It takes quite a bit of time to understand what is allowed and what is not, and quite frequently moderators would misunderstand what is being written just because at a superficial glance it looked like coming from a "rival" general opinion that they have a moral right to wall off.

This sort of general behavior, that I just said is legitimate and acceptable (after you understand how it works and can adapt to it) also has consequences that are not good, though.

It favors an extremism of opinions. When there are situations that are complex and nuanced the role of GAF as a community was always about drawing a very distinct line of "us versus them". To rally the troops and "close ranks". If there's some controversy about Boogie or Pwediepie or whoever, the role of GAF was to build distinct categories to frame these personalities. The role of GAF was to remove nuance and ambiguity in order to push away all legitimate doubt. Make clear cut distinctions. Orientate the part of the community that still had doubts. So for GAF Pewdiepie is always disingeuous, 100% nazi, 100% the enemy and the living embodiment of what the community should fight.

That's why you very often read in the comments something evoking "the hill to die on". As if one person cannot have a variety of opinions, but had to always get in some kind of war and defend just one single thing as the ultimate act that is asked of him/her. There's always this rhetoric of "going to war", that is never conductive of a civil and moderate discussion.

I don't want to discuss the specific case again, but just to underline that GAF had the purpose of drawing those sharp distinctions and labeling people so that they would be turned into targets. To remove all traces of doubt. So that the community could reinforce its identity and fight some projected enemy outside. This is never a good thing, it only builds higher walls and creates progressively more intolerance among people.

If in real life a person is a complex entity that comprises a multitude of ideas and behaviors, some good some bad. For GAF you only become a label. It's either enemy or friend. Instead of trying to encourage people to change for the good, GAF liked better to take them to the ground and beat them. To cut ties and carve out pieces of itself.

And the end result is that communities instead of unifying and sharing what they have, increasingly become antagonistic and turn on themselves, and... splinter...

The community turns on itself and breeds misunderstanding and hate.

Whenever a diplomat shows up, you shoot the diplomat in the head. Because you don't want to build bridges, you want to burn them. And yet, this will never lead to a better world. It doesn't work, and it's very sad to see it happening again and again.

When you are at war, complexity, nuance and doubt can only undermine your survival. So I can understand that people right now legitimately *feel* at war in today's world. But the more we plunge into this scenario, the more things are getting worse. (cue Fallout meme)

this is a very thoughtful post but I don't agree that not applying rules equally is fine, even when not taking in consideration the negative conseguences that you describe. I believe in equality before the law. If the law here is "strict moderation" but the unwritten law is "strict moderation for one side, leniency for the other" (because one side is always right, and the other is always wrong) you're just asking for trouble. People will be angry and alienated unless you spell it out clearly. Having a reputation and listing rules are different things.

 

[Bananajama]

For any EU citizens

"Companies that handle EU citizens’ data must be prepared to comply with a sweeping set of data security regulations that go into effect on May 25, 2018. The EU’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) will significantly burden any company that handles or processes personal data of EU residents"

So you can always come back and ensure your account is perma deleted

 

[PBY]

Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

Lol this is gamergate nonsense.

 

[Chaos17]

I was banned once because of drama about a trope anime, my comment was asking people to calm down (I'm against sexual harassment but the over reaction was too much to a point became just an excuse to shit on japan more than anything else) but I was banned for "defending sexual harassment" . So why users are banned over a random convo while the owner of this site had a direct accusation is still up ?
Because none can ban him, he own the place...

Imo, Evilord should've apologized for his behavior since he knows the victim and tell her instead of talking her down "I'm sorry if I hurted you in anyway". That's the least courtesy that people would expect. Since he is not reflecting on his behavior, I won't stay. Too bad I liked the OT.

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

Lot of mods and some users knew that both of them knew each other (close) and by pretending not knowing Amirox personally left a big trust issue in the mod team which is why after this incident all mods left.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

If you're going to say bullshit like this, be prepared to source it. Filthy liar.

 

[HiredN00bs]

For some people they can't imagine ever entering into a relationship with someone who "sexually harassed" them.

What precludes someone from doing that?

You can be harassed by someone you find attractive. That doesn't make it not harassment.

 

[Lifeline]

Lol this is gamergate nonsense.

I hope that's not all that remains after everyone else leaves.

 

[Skyball Paint]

The actions of the administration have always cast a shadow over the rest of GAF, and people outside GAF have always based their judgements on that shadow. This incident has transformed that shadow into an abyss that swallowed GAF as it was, and there ain't no way we're getting it back.

 

[Nipo]

For any EU citizens



So you can always come back and ensure your account is perma deleted

That law also says the company can require proof you're an EU citizen before complying right? I would just stop showing up before sending my real name and address to site owners.

 

[BlitzKeeg]

Wow. Not even a full day and it's already turned to trash.

Off Topic may be brought back eventually, but I just saw everyone who would occupy it being banned on the first few pages for speaking their mind about this bullshit.

Enjoy the new NeoGAF I guess. Just like every other woman hating, 'anti-SJW', 'freeze peach' forum on the internet.
So glad to see one of the only sane gaming forums die because the owner couldn't take some fucking responsibility and just dropped bans wherever he saw his name.

It was nice talking talking to you all on Off Topic everyone. You really taught me stuff and we had some good times. I just want to say thank you and that I appreciated it.

I'm out.

 

[ExVicis]

This thread is full of gamer gate bullshit.

It's full of bullshit but if you think this is similar to the gamergate subreddits you're waaaay off base. Maybe we're all spoiled by the old OT but the vast majority of the internet is far less understanding than even the worst person in this thread.

But it doesn't matter I guess, people will leave if they want or go with the gut reaction that the sites going downhill and that's perfectly fine with me. Like I said, it's likely NeoGAF won't ever be as it was so I can't blame people leaving for any reason they have.

 

[ShogunX]

It doesn't matter if the dude is a rapist (note: he probably is). What matters is the dude's a cunt.

If you are the type of person that can't wait to jump to the new forum then god fucking help that place.

 

[krov87]

Because you dont know the whole story. And seemingly have no interest in finding out whats what either.

I dont know the whole story.
But, unless Evilore or Neogaf where involved on the crime, he didnt need to make a statement.

 

[Longshot]

This is not a value discussion. It’s a single accusation against a person, who is trying to defend himself. Do you a) know the victim b) know to accused personally or c) know some facts about the case? If not, screaming rapist is pretty fucken stupid and so is “boys will be boys” crowd, although I haven’t seen much of it.

Personally I’d rather see what comes out of the situation and even though I didn’t think OP’s explanation was great, if he’s innocent it could’ve been a lot worse. Again, I’ve seen a person who was wrongfully accused and even though his name was cleared quite fast, he still has to hear about it. If OP is quilty , I expect the police to take care of the situation. If not, his name will be cleared but let’s be honest: it never will be even if he didn’t do a damn thing.

I agree with literally everything you just said.

Therefore based on all that being said, we're good to discuss it, yeah? Like grown ass adults, and not children? Especially if he's innocent? I certainly hope so!

When old mate stops banning users for having a dissenting opinion I'll 'believe' again, until then he can continue eating humble pie. I've been here long enough to know how this place operates.

 

[BBboy20]

Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

I'd imagine for someone who is a target of white nationalists, "overracting" would be a survival instinct.

 

[OCD Guy]

What precludes someone from doing that?

You can be harassed by someone you find attractive. That doesn't make it not harassment.

I'm struggling to understand why someone would get into a relationship with someone after they sexually harassed them.

She obviously forgave him right? Which would mean it wasn't as serious as she implied.

I get it, we're all different, people forgive for different things etc.

Put it another way, if you were to ask 10 people who were seriously sexually assaulted and asked them if they would get into a relationship with the person who committed the offence, how many positive responses do you think you'd get?

In my opinion (which I'm entitled too) the fact she omitted that from her facebook statement makes her lose all credibility.

 

[entremet]

I don't even have discord backups going so maybe you're smarter than I am.

At the end of the day I'll be looking for the true successor to what GAF was. I'm just pretty skeptical it's going to be GAF going forward.

And even I have moral alarms ringing right now... it's not even the allegations alone, but the tone deaf response to it, and how the solution is shutting down discussion. I do not like that.

I agree but on the other end should people who stay be branded as personality cultist?

I have no problem with people leaving for any reason, but it’s sad the community fractured and now tribal name calling is appearing.

Again these issues have been festering for a while now. The recent blowup just exposed some long term frustrations.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

So because people didn’t talk about your favorite game it’s a shit hole?

Jontron is a prominent presence in video game culture. He is very much up for discussion of gaming and how it impacts the space.

 

[Liquid-San]

The actions of the administration have always cast a shadow over the rest of the GAF, and people outside GAF have always based their judgements on that shadow. This incident has transformed that shadow into an abyss that has swallowed GAF as it was, and there ain't no way we're getting it back.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'll wait for the reform to happen and see how things are executed, but in all honesty does anyone think NeoGAF will be back to its former glory? I've only read about the initial incident, but it seems there have been multiple women who've had similar experiences with Evilore.

 

[ExVicis]

Realized that some communities were "run" by certain people. They made up the majority of posts. Will be sad to see this.

That was both a good thing and a part of the problem though.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'll wait for the reform to happen and see how things are executed, but in all honesty does anyone think NeoGAF will be back to its former glory? I've only read about the initial incident, but it seems there have been multiple women who've had similar experiences with Evilore.

There's only the FB incident and the Spain one. Beyond that, I don't think there's anything else.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I'm struggling to understand why someone would get into a relationship with someone after they sexually harassed them.

She obviously forgave him right? Which would mean it wasn't as serious as she implied.

I get it, we're all different, people forgive for different things etc.

Look up emotional abuse. What you’re saying is the kind of shit people say when a person stays in relationship with their abusers.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

It's full of bullshit but if you think this is similar to the gamergate subreddits you're waaaay off base.

In this thread alone I read:

-"All women are lying. Thats what they do."
-"Keep politics out of muh videogames."
-"White people were discriminated in OT."
-"Those SJW destroyed the forum."

And this will be, I guess, my last post on here.

 

[psychowave]

If you are the type of person that can't wait to jump to the new forum then god fucking help that place.

Why do you care?

 

[ChimpanzeeThat]

Feels like EvilLore could have saved GAF a huge headache if he stepped away from the site and let others manage things. Shit sticks, and this situation is shitty.

Binning Off-Topic is annoying too, it's almost like the mods shouldn't have let it turn into a place they were scared to moderate in the first place. You don't need the power of hindsight to see that.

 

[HiredN00bs]

She obviously forgave him right? Which would mean it wasn't as serious as she implied.

I get it, we're all different, people forgive for different things etc.

Yeah, precisely, but it was serious as she described it, regardless of how willing she was to personally forgive it.

 

[airjoca]

The future of NeoGAF will be a return to what many of us have come here for, a place where we can gather together and enjoy our shared hobby of video games. For a short time, Off-Topic Discussion and Off-Topic Community will be closed so that we can rediscover that. We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc. Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic. Those types of discussions greatly added to the harsh and unwelcoming atmosphere of Off-Topic, which pushed many users away. For those worried: OT has not been deleted, and important threads will be archived for recovery once it's open again.

Moderation will also see changes. Over the years, moderators changed from simply people who made sure discussion stay civil into personalities. It's because of that, many were targeted for harassment and other things. This shouldn't be happening to them. We've taken action to protect these people by making moderation anonymous. There will be no more red-names that single them out nor will there be a list of who is one.

How will science topics be dealt with? Because certain aspects of it like climate change are usually politicized.

 

[Theodoricos]

Lol this is gamergate nonsense.

You're proving everyone's point. Any dissenting opinion is labelled as "GamerGate" or some other catch-all term as if that's a good argument.

This is a really, really dangerous us vs. them mentality that leads to the formation of echo chambers. It's building a wall between communities instead of trying to reason with others, and sometimes one just needs to accept that not everybody is going to share your opinion.

 

[Steejee]

Amirox had previously scammed the site for drug money and put his mom in the hospital and was still a member of the forum.

EL flat out lied about not knowing Amirox's real name, which every long term member knew was bullshit, and put out a gag order on discussion of the matter; banning anyone that tried to bring it up.

People who have been paying attention know that EL has always come off as a creepy piece of shit. And it seems he's finally cultivating a forum more in line with his real personality.

I hadn't heard about that incident until just before this shitstorm, and yeah that whole incident tells you all you a fair bit when combined with this. The reaction of shutting down the whole forum, blaming off-topic and saying the mods were leaving due to harassment and stress is a load of bull.

Was an interesting time while it lasted.

So I guess I'll end my time on NeoGAF with a quote:

Peace out. This site is no longer something I wish to be part of.

 

[Officerrob]

Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.

This is what will become of GAF...

 

[birthbystars]

I just want to talk about video games. I'm glad GAF is back, even though I've only been here for like a year. (I realized how terrible the gaming subreddits are for actual gaming talk while GAF was down.)

 

[PhantomThief]

I don't get this either. From what I understand Amir0x was stripped of his mod title way before any of the pedophile shit broke. But of course, once the news broke that he was a pedophile, people just assumed all of the staff knew beforehand and was "harboring" him. I don't think that was the case. I do not think all of the mods are pedophiles and I don't think they all knew he was a piece of shit.

Thats not what its about. There was no discussion about a prominent mod. And Malka lied about knowing his name.

 

[Ethelwulf]

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

Yes he's the owner of the site. And also, this from one of the mods:

The statement he did put out ended up being far, far less than any of us had hoped for, and actually ended up putting crosshairs on some of us

Not cool imo. It is how things are handled.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

etrain911 I can only send 1 pm every 10 minutes. Check your inbox in 10 minutes.

 

[Green Yoshi]

I hope that's not all that remains after everyone else leaves.

Trump supporters and Gamergaters will avoid this forum like the plague after the recent incidents. And nothing of value will be lost.

 

[En-ou]

I’m glad NeoGaf is back. Thank you.

 

[Carl]

I'm so glad to see this place back again. Can't tell you how many times I came here over the weekend forgetting that it was down

I missed you guys

 

[Officerrob]

etrain911 I can only send 1 pm every 10 minutes. Check your inbox in 10 minutes.

Why exactly is this a thing right now anyways?

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I just want to talk about video games. I'm glad GAF is back, even though I've only been here for like a year. (I realized how terrible the gaming subreddits are for actual gaming talk while GAF was down.)

Hate to break it to you but a lot of video games no have dealings in social and political issues. You can’t just plug your ears and demand politics free gaming.

 

[Liquid-San]

There's only the FB incident and the Spain one. Beyond that, I don't think there's anything else.

This is so stupid. I'm someone who frequents this forum a lot and even I'm misinformed with what's actually happening. If there's any right move left, it would be Evilore actually creating a Sticky Thread where he is open to discussion about everything surrounding these troubled times. I don't feel like silencing the whole situation is a good look at all.

 

[OCD Guy]

Look up emotional abuse. What you're saying is the kind of shit people say when a person stays in relationship with their abusers.

No I don't agree.

I've known people who have stayed in abusive relationships, it's been a number of different reasons, mostly fear. I wouldn't then say "If you stayed with them, it couldn't have been that bad then".

The difference is that she chose to get into a relationship with him after the event. That's a different scenario to being in a relationship and then staying with that person when they do something bad to you.

I guess I'm just struggling to understand the thought process someone has when they get into a relationship after someone has apparently traumatised them etc. I couldn't personally forgive them, but we're all different....

Her statement just read to me like Evilore got mixed signals. The fact he left immediately when asked also doesn't come across as a crazed sexual harasser. It would have been far different if he stayed despite being told to leave...

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Trump supporters and Gamergaters will avoid this forum like the plague after the recent incidents. And nothing of value will be lost.

Yeah I really don't understand. These people are more than glad that EvilLore is getting fucked and that the forum is in chaos, unless they'll just come to troll the stigma is already there and won't die so easily (Thankfully in this case)

 

[ExVicis]

In this thread alone I read:

-"All women are lying. Thats what they do."
-"Keep politics out of muh videogames."
-"White people were discriminated in OT."
-"Those SJW destroyed the forum."

And this will be, I guess, my last post on here.

On NeoGAF? Well bye I guess. Sorry to end the discussion this way.

Also again, this is still way above most of the internet. Yes, that's right. You're forgetting how deep this abyss called the internet goes. Again, I think NeoGAF spoiled us, because the internet can get a lot worse than that. NeoGAF has a long way to fall before it's just another one of the "Gamergate websites". And because it has that much to fall I still hold out hope that those comments will still be in the minority on this forum if I can help it.

 

[8byte]

It’s really strange to see all these people shitting on “SJWs” and then simultaneously bein “SJWs”.

 

[Freeman76]

this is a very thoughtful post but I don't agree that not applying rules equally is fine, even when not taking in consideration the negative conseguences that you describe. I believe in equality before the law. If the law here is "strict moderation" but the unwritten law is "strict moderation for one side, leniency for the other" (because one side is always right, and the other is always wrong) you're just asking for trouble. People will be angry and alienated unless you spell it out clearly. Having a reputation and listing rules are different things.

I was banned twice in the past for saying the same kind of thing as several others in the same thread and none of those were banned. I assumed it was a personal issue the mods had with me, and since then I have never been sure what is allowed.

 

[Kensation]