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Super Mario Odyssey |OT| RSVP: Guests of the Groom
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brain_stew
Member
Having to inaccurately shake the screen around in a portable game is infuriating when half of the controller's buttons are unused. It's just bad game design, plain and simple. I won't let it spoil my enjoyment of an incredible game but Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass for such poorly designed controls.
Motion controls aren't a gimmick anymore and I love playing Oculus Rift games with positionally tracked controllers but waggle in place of a button press was never fun or accurate 10 years ago when there was a novelty to it. It's just inexcusable bad game design now.
GetSomeSponge
Member
This exactly, I'm absolutely loving the game but the waggle controls are hurting my enjoyment and it will never be a perfect game for me because of it.
All the other controls feel so perfect, why they couldn't just put them on normal buttons I have no idea.
brain_stew
Member
That only affects camera control, where motion controls work quite well. The waggle controls are mandatory and certain moves are only accessible via shaking your £280 handheld console.
Just found out how many moons there are in
Kingdom. Can't wait to go back there, I thought it was
!
If I want a community full of 12 year olds, I might as well play CoD on Xbox.
Cascade
only a short tutorial-world
If I want a community full of 12 year olds, I might as well play CoD on Xbox.
Hinedorf
Banned
I know there is a ridiculous amount of love for this game of which I too have. In no way does this game surpass BOTW.
I am not saying Mario is bad, I'm saying it's basically a less-inspired version of Mario Galaxy 1&2. When describing the game to my friend I ask him "Have you ever played Mario 64?".
Great graphics, great music, great nostalgia, I feel like this game is backwards to Mario64 as far as what you're allowed to do. Within the first few maps of Mario64, you flew, you swam, you snowboarded, you literally explored boundaries within a 3D world that quite frankly are done better than Odyssey even attempts to.
Hopefully I'm wrong and things become more creative, great game bordering on tedium as moons are even easier to come by than ever before resulting in far less gratification.
BOTW is the bar for Nintendo at this point, if BOTW is the 10 then Mario is at best a 9.
I am not saying Mario is bad, I'm saying it's basically a less-inspired version of Mario Galaxy 1&2. When describing the game to my friend I ask him "Have you ever played Mario 64?".
Great graphics, great music, great nostalgia, I feel like this game is backwards to Mario64 as far as what you're allowed to do. Within the first few maps of Mario64, you flew, you swam, you snowboarded, you literally explored boundaries within a 3D world that quite frankly are done better than Odyssey even attempts to.
Hopefully I'm wrong and things become more creative, great game bordering on tedium as moons are even easier to come by than ever before resulting in far less gratification.
BOTW is the bar for Nintendo at this point, if BOTW is the 10 then Mario is at best a 9.
Whats moves you mean? Almost everything can be done with controller too.
Refreshment.01
Member
You don't need to use motion controls the game is designed to be completed without using them. Plus there are button combos that replicate some of the functionality.
The motion controls are there to lend "extra intensity" to some actions, that i think match very well with a physical gesture.
Waggle instead of button press is not "inexcusable bad game design" when is well implemented. Some actions can be more intuitive or easily accesible at all times with a motion gesture. Other Mario titles, the Galaxy games, already proved that from 10 years ago.
It's a 280 hybrid console, that can only be used connected to the TV if the user desires so and those motion controls work quite well with the Split Joycon design which is the main control method this game has been presented from it's unveiling.
Please let's not ignore facts.
Of course some of these motion gestures don't work as well when in "handheld mode" but to repeat it again: the game is designed to be completed without this extra moves. This game and the Switch itself is full of control options as it is.
TheMoon
Member
TheMoon
Member
You realize you're posting this ...here? lol
OuterLimits
Member
I broke my promise to myself that I would buy this game down the road since I purchased Fire Emblem Warriors earlier in the week. It's currently downloading. I'm so disappointed in myself. Lol
Mt Heart Attack
Member
You mean while riding the lion, with the notes over two parallel lines?
I just did it now after many attempts** One thing that helped me control the lion was tapping B continuously, it makes it slow down considerably and it gets easier to turn in tight spaces.
I soldiered through that cause I thought I was gonna get a song or something, if I knew it would have been a moon I would have given up
edit: re-reading your post I guess you're referring to another moon
family_guy
Member
When has a Mario game not been for all ages? Every Mario game ever made could have been someone's first Mario game. The question is if Nintendo intentionally made it easier this time.
You mean while riding the lion, with the notes over two parallel lines?
I just did it now after many attempts** One thing that helped me control the lion was tapping B continuously, it makes it slow down considerably and it gets easier to turn in tight spaces.
I soldiered through that cause I thought I was gonna get a song or something, if I knew it would have been a moon I would have given up
edit: re-reading your post I guess you're referring to another moon
Oh I haven't tried doing it with a jaxi, I wonder if that's possible? 🤔
Edit: yup just done it first time with the jaxi, jesus christ, 20 minutes I wasted on that.
ajim
Member
I did it on my first go. Lion dude is fun as to ride.You mean while riding the lion, with the notes over two parallel lines?
I just did it now after many attempts** One thing that helped me control the lion was tapping B continuously, it makes it slow down considerably and it gets easier to turn in tight spaces.
I soldiered through that cause I thought I was gonna get a song or something, if I knew it would have been a moon I would have given up
edit: re-reading your post I guess you're referring to another moon
Hidden Room In the sand moon was awesome. I just took a chance and though I was going to die but then bam!! Moon!
Love the puzzles and little small things to do
Neff
Member
I should know better than to reply to a dismissal using the bullshit 'nostalgia' card, but nah. 64 has better physics, faster movement, more creative platforming/climbing potential, and better swimming.
But if SM64 is the #1 Mario game, then I'm happy with SMO going in at #2.
I think the up-front bulk of the game might be a fraction easier than the same in Nintendo's last few 3D Mario titles, but there's some stiff post-game stuff.
Music is held up by Jump Up Superstar tho. Otherwise it's just really really good, which is slightly below other Mario's such as 3D World (mmm dat jazz).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You use a lot of words on how you can still do tons of other actions and the only ones that require motion controls are not essential and make some very good points, but the summary is still you cannot perform some actions in handheld mode without flailing the console around.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
No way. I attempted to replay Mario 64 recently. Gave up because in a lot of areas, the camera is very frustrating. Odyssey is definitely better and more creative. It feels like if Mario 64 finally had the hardware to expand and breathe.
DarknessTear
Banned
Man, Bowser really loves Peach. He's traveling the world stealing the absolute best things for their wedding.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
What has Mario done for her?
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Does Mario get paid for this? Is he actually a paid actor.
Fbh
Member
Yep.
Loving the game but as someone that spends like 50% of the time playing in handheld mode it's annoying how some moves are locked behind motion control.
They aren't even very precise.
That Brown Guy
Member
Finished the story last night, wow what a game.
Some real WTF moments towards to the end.
So good!
Some real WTF moments towards to the end.
Lord of Lightening
Finding that painting in Luncheon Kingdom that lead to Mushroom Kingdom blew my mind
The Moon
The final sequence as Bowser
Running around Mushroom Kingdom as N64 Mario
So good!
You are aware of the ability to chain rolls together into a run at max speed? The slope physics are pretty damn awesome too when youre rolling, think youre underestimating Odyssey a little here.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
True, but it seems Nintendo still fears having analog controls push Mario beyond a certain running speed without requiring a button press or chaining certain actions and how the long jump is still a bit nerfed. Still, I am very happy Nintendo is pushing 3D exploration peaceful joyful free roaming Mario again.
Refreshment.01
Member
i have covered this in every single post about the Motion Control topic. The "some actions" we speak of are optional. And please correct me if im wrong Panajev, but so far i haven't seen a Moonshine that depends on the performance of these motion controlled actions.
So why we focus in the only Switch operation mode (handheld) out of the 3, in which it might not be trivial to perform a simple motion gesture when in the end you can get everything without performing them in the first place? And why do this just to discredit a totally viable control method?
On the other hand the game is even designed to be completed without the need for a player to use a vast amount of Mario's move set, so these moves are optional too in that sense.
Why it is ok in the eyes of many to enter the thread and say something along the lines of: "The motion Controls suck, are broken, don't work". When in reality what the person means is that it simply doesn't like them?
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
Wow this game is really special. Played for hours and collected a ton of moons...This is too many games of the year in one year
DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
I laughed at this. I do stuff like this all the time.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Because they do not work for them
. If they state that they objectively cannot work it is another issue of course.Upwards, downwards and the circle throw... I think
Keihart
Member
you can do the circle throw by just rotating the stick, the downwards one can be performed while doing a stomp.
This could be a game changer... I've to try, thanks
But those are button inputs are clearly inferior to the motion inputs. I haven't found out how to
make the onion jump higher
Love the game, but this crap holds it back from a masterpiece.
TheMoon
Member
On a ledge below the edge of the level, on your far left from the way you're facing and where you enter the level. The ledge wraps around near to where you can cross a switch bridge over to the floating island with the hidden glasses statue rocks.
