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[SonGoku]

Been killing it from their first console. Still, Sony's a fraction of MS

Which makes it all the more impressive

Why do you think that? if PS5 release in 2020 PS4 will already be over 115 million sold so even if PS4 shipments drop to half in the next 2 years after PS5 is released it will still be over 130 million sold & push it's way to 140 - 150 million sold.

After the PS4 launched, ps3 sales dropped like a rock
So unless sony botches ps5 launch, same thing will happen to ps4 sales, or they hit that $100/$150 sweetspot

At most i can see it selling 130m

 

[A.Romero]

Sony did a good job, IMO. They deserve the success their platform is having.

I hope they go back on their censorship policy. It's so stupid and it really only affects indies.

 

[gioGAF]

The paid online service is bullshit though.

MS introduces paid online service, millions of stupid people accept it and sign on. Competitors see this and follow suit. Any questions?

 

[Toe-Knee]

Exactly. People have short memories, it was all 'PS4 has no games' for the first year or two of this gen, yet PS4 still outsold XB1. Price, power, and Sony being more popular worldwide also was a big factor.
In fact on this very forum last gen, the concensous was that exclusives dont sell systems and multiplatform games being the best on 360 was the reason for its success (and multiplatform games have been best on PS4 this gen). Feelings seem to change to suit situations.

The reason it sold well without games was the promise of great games abs a great track record to deliver them right up until the next generation launches.

 

[EverydayBeast]

But for a console to be sold 2nd hand it has to be sold in the 1st place so counting 2nd hand sales wouldn't change the numbers that we have.

You don’t see my point, whatever still good to see a PS4 sales thread get past the first two pages.

 

[SonGoku]

Guys please stop this craziness! GAF is nowhere close to real-life. Ain't nobody caring about your small niche Japanese "small" censorship news in those games.

You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move. Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by censoring indie developers. If you censor someone in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase a PS4 system, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE.

Sony, publicly apologize and cancel censorship policies for Japanese PS4 games or you can kiss your business goodbye.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

OsirisBlack we are still waiting for that info?

He says things like that then crickets....

 

[bitbydeath]

He says things like that then crickets....

Maybe the mod needs to wait for an admin to come online.

 

[onQ123]

After the PS4 launched, ps3 sales dropped like a rock
So unless sony botches ps5 launch, same thing will happen to ps4 sales, or they hit that $100/$150 sweetspot

At most i can see it selling 130m

A PS3 with a 500GB harddrive was like $300 when PS4 came out at $399 with a 500GB , PS3 wasn't so easy to develop for so support dried up pretty quick & Sony had a lot more to gain from selling PS4 than they did from selling old PS3s because of the new pay to play online model. PS4 on the other hand is a goldmine for Sony & this 100 million plus user base will be getting games until it don't make any sense to make games for it anymore.

 

[SonGoku]

A PS3 with a 500GB harddrive was like $300 when PS4 came out at $399 with a 500GB , PS3 wasn't so easy to develop for so support dried up pretty quick & Sony had a lot more to gain from selling PS4 than they did from selling old PS3s because of the new pay to play online model. PS4 on the other hand is a goldmine for Sony & this 100 million plus user base will be getting games until it don't make any sense to make games for it anymore.

uh? most 3rd parties supported PS360 with cross-platforms, in fact it took everyone by surprise when the active player base who buys games at launch moved to next gen within the year. PS3 was swimming in quality exclusives when PS4 had naught, even gt6 sales were affected by PS4

The only way PS4 sales aren't crippled post PS5 launch is if it cost $200 or less, the only way it can maintain sales momentum is with a $150/$100 price point
or if PS5 costs more than $400

 

[Airbus Jr]

SUPERSTATION4
ANGRYSTATION4
SEXYSTATION4
MADSTATION4
KILLERSTATION4
GANGSTASTATION4
FUNKYSTATION4
SPIDERSTATION4

 

[Ceadeus]

That is a lot of plastic, child miners and underpaid slavery!

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Like 103 million sold.

Ok, thanks. I had 104 or 114 million in my head.

 

[Leonidas]

Good to see Sony put up good numbers as expected, but the hardware numbers are down YOY as PS4 sales peaked in 2017.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Yeah, PS4 will be at PS1 numbers by the end of Q4. It will probably end up at about 144 million. Pretty impressive wherever it ends up considering all the consoles are dead talk after the Wii U bombed.

 

[Dargor]

It must be selling pretty well, since they even upped the forecast.

 

[Pagusas]

Short sighted you are lol.

When PS5/Xbox Next come out PS4 will be above where PS2 was when PS3 & Xbox 360 came out & thanks to PSN Sony have a bigger reason to continue to sell PS4 than they had for selling PS2 after the successors is released.

After Christmas PS4 will be close to 100 million now add 2 more years of them selling around 17 million a year & that's ~130 million March 2021.

The only thing that could stop PS4 from reaching PS2 levels is if PS5 or Xbox Next is cheap & BC making it pointless for someone to buy a PS4 after 2019.

130 million is far less than the 150million + PS2 sales...

 

[Leonidas]

Yeah I can't see PS4 ever hitting PS2 levels.

PS2 had virtually no competition from orginal Xbox or GCN from 2006 onward and was selling at a fraction of the cost of Xbox 360 and PS3 making it a very attractive value console.

PS4 hardware sales peaked in 2017. Even with the 9% forecast increase PS4 hardware sales are still down YOY. Will be interesting to see Sony's 2019 sales forecast...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

RDR2 is a cinematic experience game tho...

Its open world more than anything.

 

[bitbydeath]

Its open world more than anything.

I don’t think that has any bearing on if it is cinematic or not. GoW is more or less open world and I would class that as cinematic too.

Edit: Horizon as well.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's shipped sales, not sold. So actual sales might be more like 75 million or even less depending how much is sitting on shelves or stock rooms.

Spoiler

Relax console warriors. Kidding. Solid number by Sony.

 

[demigod]

Oh man they are going to sell a ton more this holiday. Walmart put up a spiderman bundle (base for $199 and took it down.

 

[Leonidas]

Oh man they are going to sell a ton more this holiday. Walmart put up a spiderman bundle (base for $199 and took it down.

I wonder if they can match or exceed their 2017 BF sales(which was the best in PS history) in a year where PS4 hardware sales have been down.

 

[Norse]

It amazes me that till this day most stores have pallets of X1 consoles and I only ever see 2 or 3 PS4s for sell and rarel ever see a PS4 Pro in stores. Seen 1 in 6+ months.

You obviously don't have a Walmart by you. Or a Costco which has pallets of both Sony and Microsoft systems.


As for PS4 sold to date, it's amazing how fast it's matched 360/PS3 lifetime sales numbers. I mean PS3/360 had like 10 yrs to hit the same numbers PS4 has already hit.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

That's shipped sales, not sold. So actual sales might be more like 75 million or even less depending how much is sitting on shelves or stock rooms.

Spoiler

Relax console warriors. Kidding. Solid number by Sony.

You mean 81.2 mil. sold-through as of July 22nd.

https://www.dualshockers.com/ps4-sales-81-2-million/

Surely they are close to 86 mil. shipped. Because "only" 1 million was on shelves when 81.2 mil. sold-through was announced.

 

[TLZ]

You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move. Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by censoring indie developers. If you censor someone in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase a PS4 system, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE.

Sony, publicly apologize and cancel censorship policies for Japanese PS4 games or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Lol.

 

[onQ123]

130 million is far less than the 150million + PS2 sales...

No it's not that would be like 13% less

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I don’t think that has any bearing on if it is cinematic or not. GoW is more or less open world and I would class that as cinematic too.

Edit: Horizon as well.

Its a free world vs whatever movie kojima passes off as a game or uncharted.

 

[donutkirby]

I'm probably going to skip the PS5 if Sony is really going all in with that censorship bullshit. A lot of third party games are now on PC like the Yakuza and KoF games so I can stick to my gaming PC is I have to and then enjoy the Switch for their exclusives.

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm probably going to skip the PS5 if Sony is really going all in with that censorship bullshit. A lot of third party games are now on PC like the Yakuza and KoF games so I can stick to my gaming PC is I have to and then enjoy the Switch for their exclusives.

Looks to be just the Japanese games for now, cause you know the lewdness. They won't be censoring every tit that comes along.

 

[OsirisBlack]

He says things like that then crickets....

Waiting on a response to make sure I’m good to post everything that I have.

 

[bitbydeath]

Waiting on a response to make sure I’m good to post everything that I have.

Blink once for 2019.

 

[TLZ]

Waiting on a response to make sure I’m good to post everything that I have.

You're good.

 

[demigod]

Waiting on a response to make sure I’m good to post everything that I have.

Thumb me up if you wanna hangout in 2019.

 

[Pallas]

Great numbers by the PS4, Sony deserves all the credit for producing a solid system with great games. Now it’ll be interesting to see if their recent policy change regarding fan service games will impact future sales into the next generation.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[TLZ]

Is this reliable? It shows the PS3 always ahead of 360. I thought it was always the opposite til the end when PS3 just edged it.

 

[Dargor]

Is this reliable? It shows the PS3 always ahead of 360. I thought it was always the opposite til the end when PS3 just edged it.

You gotta factor in release time. In order for PS3 to catch the 360, it had to sell more than it in the same amount of time. If it was selling just the same it would never catch it since 360 had a 1 year advantage.

 

[TLZ]

You gotta factor in release time. In order for PS3 to catch the 360, it had to sell more than it in the same amount of time. If it was selling just the same it would never catch it since 360 had a 1 year advantage.

Ah yes. Forgot that. Thanks.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Great numbers by the PS4, Sony deserves all the credit for producing a solid system with great games. Now it’ll be interesting to see if their recent policy change regarding fan service games will impact future sales into the next generation.

I doubt it will change anything

The PlayStation is just too hot and sexy !!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Great numbers by the PS4, Sony deserves all the credit for producing a solid system with great games. Now it’ll be interesting to see if their recent policy change regarding fan service games will impact future sales into the next generation.

Fair, but I cannot shake the feeling that there is a chalkboard full of “maybe <this> will impact future sales in the next generation of Sony... it may be the thing that causes Xbox to win”... sure, not the point you were making (sorry if it seems like I am implying that at all), but I guess it happens to the companies that are on top and it generates as much anger as it does admiration and thus the desire to see another underdog win.

 

[Pallas]

Fair, but I cannot shake the feeling that there is a chalkboard full of “maybe <this> will impact future sales in the next generation of Sony... it may be the thing that cases Xbox to win”... sure, not the point you were making (sorry if it seems like I am implying that at all), but I guess it happens to the companies that are on top and it generates as much anger as it does admiration and thus the desire to see another underdog win.

I understand, I realize it’s going to sell regardless in the states, was more curious about the Japanese market. I should have been specific about that. Nintendo seems to be trying to capitalize on it and take some market share away from Sony in their homeland.

 

[HeresJohnny]

A bunch of people trying to deny or downplay total domination ITT. That the PS4 can even be in the potential realm of the PS2 shows how absolutely dominant it has been this generation, especially when you consider the PS2 was cheaper at the same point in its lifespan and got even cheaper as time went on. Will Sony do that? Hard to say, but there is a lot of time to make it a reality seeing as the PS2 wasn't even taken out of production until 2013.... think about that for a moment.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Yeah, PS4 will be at PS1 numbers by the end of Q4. It will probably end up at about 144 million. Pretty impressive wherever it ends up considering all the consoles are dead talk after the Wii U bombed.

Yeah, that crowd has gotten a lot quieter lately. Probably because they are still picking crow feathers out of their teeth.

 

[HeresJohnny]

If there's one thing Sony learnt from that gen is that a substantial price on debut is a no go..... Eat the loss, build the install base, bring the games, subs/services and make the money there....

Things are a bit different with hardware these days however, console hardware will never need to eat such losses anymore.. ..No need for 4 billion in R&D et al.

Meanwhile, their closest competitor is still releasing $500 hardware hoping that it'll somehow magically appeal to the non-enthusiast crowd. Hopefully Sony doesn't try to chase them down that rabbit hole, because it goes nowhere.

 

[womfalcs3]

So the PS4 will likely surpass Wii by Christmas.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Waiting on a response to make sure I’m good to post everything that I have.

PS5 2019 here we come

 

[Stuart360]

Meanwhile, their closest competitor is still releasing $500 hardware hoping that it'll somehow magically appeal to the non-enthusiast crowd. Hopefully Sony doesn't try to chase them down that rabbit hole, because it goes nowhere.

Its funny you said that because Spencer has said numerous times that the X is marketed at the enthusiast crowd, and they expect the base XB1 to outsell the X every year.

 

[highrider]

You offer people a good value and lots of quality exclusive software = win

It ain’t rocket science.

 

[mckmas8808]

You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move. Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by censoring indie developers. If you censor someone in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase a PS4 system, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE.

Sony, publicly apologize and cancel censorship policies for Japanese PS4 games or you can kiss your business goodbye.

It's only funny because some of you guys take this censorship too far! Yes it's a bad policy and Sony shouldn't be doing it. What they were doing this whole generation was fine. Now need to change policies now. But some Gaffers are acting as if 30% of the Japanse market will boycott the PlayStation brand now. As if those games ever made up that huge of a market and as if that many people ACTUALLY care about this policy change.

Just get your heads out of your own butts for a second and live in reality.