Im starting to get confused by some posts going on here lol. Surely when you add up main + side content CP and SF are very similar? But the main story in SF is incredibly short.....
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Is Cyberpunk much better than Starfield?
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Topher
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Nah.....I have to give the number of quality quests to Starfield easily. I came across several storylines not connected to the main quest or even the factions/companions but turned into rich side quests on their own. These are quests that are often given just by overhearing conversations while walking around. Others you just stumble onto while exploring. Cyberpunk has a lot of one-off side quests called "gigs" and such but they are remarkably short in comparison.
twilo99
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I haven’t played CP yet so I don’t really know, I am just saying how Starfield feels to me thus far, definitely not overly scripted and it does present an overwhelming amount of content as side missions, quest, building ships, surveying planets, etc. in my opinion.
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MidGenRefresh
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You know I love Starfield but world building in that game is pure nonsense. They kind of shoot themselves in the foot with the inclusion of grav drives. An almost instant mode of transportation that allows you to go anywhere in the galaxy in mere seconds. With technology like this, galaxy would be nothing like what we see in Starfield.
Lokaum D+
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u find this amazing ? this one ll sure blow you mind then
yeah, thats was build by community players all over the planet and the community can visit.
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The quality is debatable and subjective. One of Starfield's strong points is definitely the side content. Im just confused by the discussion I quoted about the length of the games. The two games feel similar in length overall, but the main quest is not even close. It was actually jarring just how short Starfield's main quest line was.
But your last sentence is also not doing CP justice. If im not mistaken some of the longer sidequests like River's and PanAms you don't have to do for main story completion? And those are just as in depth as any side quest in Starfield. And even beyond the gigs, you get a lottttt of shorter sidequest storylines like the dude crucifying himself or dick implant guy etc
Mario Kart and Starfield are extreemly different games, Tetris is extreemly different to Starfield. But CP2077 and Starfield? They are in the ballpark.
Please. I guess you won't try to compare launch of Cyberpunk 2077 with Starfield. I mean. Starfield is not a perfect game by any means...
...but we are talking about game that was so broken, it was pulled down from PlayStation store...
Not to mention it needed to have several of it's core gameplay systems reworked to have this 2.0 version.
I'm sure Starfield is comparable to the biggest AAA bait and switch in gaming history
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Punished Miku
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For as long as I've followed WRPGs, I've found a lot of the discourse around it to be toxic and reductive. I think some WRPG superfans tend to mistakenly think they're achieving perfect realism at the pinnacle of gaming, and then anything that's instantly not on that level is trash, even if it was amazing just 1 day prior, or 10 years prior, or 30 years prior. I remember Mass Effect hitting consoles and suddenly all JRPGs were trash. Skyrim hit consoles and lots of people said Dragon's Dogma was trash including most of the media. Baldur's Gate and Cyberpunk hit consoles and now Starfield is trash. The argument was always about the "standard being raised" so amazing games suddenly become trash. I think for people they just like to flaunt how much they're in 1st place almost more than they like playing games. WRPG superfans in particular tend to attract a lot of this 1st place mentality.
That's right but also Starfield didn't debut on last gen consoles at all.
Melon Husk
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It is now.
Topher
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Yeah, but I said I was referring to side quests not involved with factions/companions and such. I'm talking about side quests completely unrelated to anything else. Best comparison I can come with to that are the gigs which are just short jobs. I have yet to wander into another part of town in Night City and get pulled into a quest unrelated to the main story or acquaintance story quests that take an hour or two to complete. That happens a number of times in Starfield. Further, I don't think CP has faction quests at all.
As far as the main quests, I haven't finished Cyberpunk yet so I can't speak directly to that. I know I disliked the second half of Starfield main quest greatly. Cyberpunk will have to really tank badly for my opinion to be as low.
As far as length, howlongtobeat says Starfield's main quest is typically completed in 20 hours. 24 for Cyberpunk 2077. But to complete everything, CB is at 100 hours while SF is at 140.
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BouncyFrag
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Lokaum D+
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graywolf323
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Yeah, but I said I was referring to side quests not involved with factions/companions and such. I'm talking about side quests completely unrelated to anything else. Best comparison I can come with to that are the gigs which are just short jobs. I have yet to wander into another part of town in Night City and get pulled into a quest unrelated to the main story or acquaintance story quests that take an hour or two to complete. That happens a number of times in Starfield. Further, I don't think CP has faction quests at all.
As far as the main quests, I haven't finished Cyberpunk yet so I can't speak directly to that. I know I disliked the second half of Starfield main quest greatly. Cyberpunk will have to really tank badly for my opinion to be as low.
As far as length, howlongtobeat says Starfield's main quest is typically completed in 20 hours. 24 for Cyberpunk 2077. But to complete everything, CB is at 100 hours while SF is at 140.
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eh I think you’re looking at the wrong numbers there dude, you went straight from main story to completionist while talking about side quests, which main + sides is actually almost the same
of course completionist is longer for Starfield since those would be people going to every single damn procedurally generated planet
Main Story
24½ Hours
Main + Sides
60½ Hours
Completionist
103 Hours
All Styles
63 Hours
Main Story
20 Hours
Main + Sides
59 Hours
Completionist
140 Hours
All Styles
51 Hours
GigaBowser
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Havent played new Cyberpunks or Starfield buuuuuuut Cyberpunk in 2020 deserved abouta 3 Im sorry my friends
BootsLoader
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As far as I understand, Starfield has a very weak and bland story.
fart town usa
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Thanks for that. Even though the game hasn't connected for me, I still boot it up here and there to see how it's come along. I'll have to jump back in sometime this winter
Lokaum D+
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Gladly we are at 2023 and now the game deserves about 9
BootsLoader
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That is very interesting, does it have better side quests than Witcher 3? Because Witcher 3 is literally killing it when it comes to side quests.
DeaDPo0L84
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Yes, I remember in Starfield when I chose "more assault rifle damage", or the ability to slide while running, the world around me changed in a way I was not prepared for, I didn't realize my choices had that much of an impact.
Topher
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eh I think you’re looking at the wrong numbers there dude, you went straight from main story to completionist while talking about side quests, which main + sides is actually almost the same
of course completionist is longer for Starfield since those would be people going to every single damn procedurally generated planet
Main Story
24½ Hours
Main + Sides
60½ Hours
Completionist
103 Hours
All Styles
63 Hours
Main Story
20 Hours
Main + Sides
59 Hours
Completionist
140 Hours
All Styles
51 Hours
I took length of game "overall" to mean all there is to do which in my mind is completionist. Now if that is not what M Macaron was referring to then that's fine.
Regardless, there is no way that 140 hours includes visiting all the planets. I'm over 140 hours in the game and I visited maybe two. What I did do was complete the main quest and all faction quests and several side quests. I only completed one companion quest and there are many more side quests I have yet to get to.
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Isendurl
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Cyberpunk never got enough credit for its OST, seriously one of the best of any game ever.
Absolute banger after banger, case in point:
MarkMe2525
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I thought Cyberpunk was an amazing game at launch, as long as you weren't playing an base Gen 8 consoles. I'm having a good time with Starfield, but there aren't many games, imo, that can reach the story telling heights of Cyberpunk. In the end though, they are both really good.
phant0m
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Yeah. Even Fallout 4 — I consider the base game basically unplayable but with a decent set of mods it can be a really fun experience.
Im so confused. Why are we excluding certain sidequests from this discussion? The only difference is instead of wandering around and getting a quest like some in Starfield, Cyberpunk just lets you know where they are. But there are obviously plenty of unrelated side quests.....Yeah, but I said I was referring to side quests not involved with factions/companions and such. I'm talking about side quests completely unrelated to anything else. Best comparison I can come with to that are the gigs which are just short jobs. I have yet to wander into another part of town in Night City and get pulled into a quest unrelated to the main story or acquaintance story quests that take an hour or two to complete. That happens a number of times in Starfield. Further, I don't think CP has faction quests at all.
As far as the main quests, I haven't finished Cyberpunk yet so I can't speak directly to that. I know I disliked the second half of Starfield main quest greatly. Cyberpunk will have to really tank badly for my opinion to be as low.
As far as length, howlongtobeat says Starfield's main quest is typically completed in 20 hours. 24 for Cyberpunk 2077. But to complete everything, CB is at 100 hours while SF is at 140.
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I'd say the Judy, River, PanAm, Silverhand, etc sidequests are similar to the companion ones. Except they actually matter to the overall game unlike Starfield's.
Idk why you're even discussing these things when you haven't even beaten Cyberpunk lol but
graywolf323
already pointed out the fluff in completion hours cause of all the bullshit planet stuff
Gudji
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GymWolf
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Pun intended?
Ass of Can Whooping
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Nothing wrong with that. The world would be better off without all these peasants
DeaDPo0L84
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Honestly I have no clue what these people are going on about CP having no RPG elements, almost like a script came down from their overlords and they are just parroting this nonsense.
James Sawyer Ford
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Absolutely, cyberpunk is better in literally every single aspect and has an amazing sense of place / atmosphere
Topher
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That's a hard comparison to make and since it has been 8 years since I played Witcher 3. I remember some of those quests were top-notch though and probably still are. Can't say for certain.
Truly. If you can't figure out what I've already said then stop trying.
Chukhopops
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I disagree but there’s no easy way to measure it. Even the most negative Starfield reviews didn’t complain about game breaking bugs.
I literally had zero issue in my entire playthrough on Starfield. Maybe once the scanner wouldn’t open and I had to go in the menu?
Cyberpunk launch I would regularly have the issue where my character would not switch out of « cutscene mode » and I couldn’t use my weapon anymore. I had the car chase issue with Palmer where the enemies would not spawn in the hideout.
GHG
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Starfield isn't fit to wash cyberpunks little toe.
People want to talk about the state of these two respective games launch aligned make me laugh. Aside from the bugs (and the state of the console releases) cyberpunk then was still better than what Starfield has to offer today. Its not even a contest when you look at aspects like world/character building and overall immersion.
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DeaDPo0L84
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Your whole post became instantly bs leading off with this banger. You can literally unload 500 rounds in the middle of New Atlantis, and not a single person will give a single fuck. You can walk into "secured" areas freely cause absolutely nobody has a brain in SF. You can freely walk around with your gun in a bank or wherever and everyone just sits there like a brainless drone. I swear some of you are so entrenched in defending this game you overlook glaring obvious flaws and just outright make up shit.
Yeah I can't figure out why you selectively excluded certain sidequests. If you wanna be belligerent insteaf of explain if there is any logic behind that, then ok lol
Anyways, you might wanna finish Cyberpunk before commenting on its length? Idk just a thought
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Madflavor
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I've noticed it's gotten more recognition over the years. Anything about the game that was good on release was drowned out by all the controversy and issues the game had. Now that it's in a much better state, people are appreciating the world CDPR created a lot more now. It really started with Edgerunners when "I really want to stay at your House" was popularized.
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GymWolf
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Then you missed some reviewers.
I clearly remember than annoying luke thomas dude saying that he was unable to complete the arguably best faction quest in the game because of a bug.
But no review spoke about the dogshit writing or the the worse companions ever in an rpg so i really don't give much fucks about what reviewers say.
And i just posted a starfield bug that literally trascend time and space for how fucked up it is, you are not gonna find anything remotely similar in cb, no matter how much you search.
They are both very buggy games even after the 2.0 patch, it is a matter of luck how much bugs you get, my experience at launch with cp on pc was less bugged than your average assassing creed (ironically i'm having more bugs and shit in the 2.0 version)
Starfield also run worse than cyberpunk while looking sensibly worse except some indoors that looks better than some indoors in cp.
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Last Hearth
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You’re right, I played it on the PC and didn’t really have any major issues with bugs and crashes. Bu the game was shallow as hell. I mean people who complain about Starfield being shallow as a puddle, if that’s a puddle then CP at launch was more like a spilled cup of water on the floor.
I mean they had to remove your character model from reflections in the game because in game your character was horrific twisted piece of monstrosity. At least Starfield has a functioning 3rd person mode
Punished Miku
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The whole premise of the game is exploring a galaxy made up of mostly barren rock planets like a real galaxy, with sporadic pockets of civilization. Starfield is a hybrid of custom WRPG content and survival style content. Half the game is a detailed WRPG with tons of quests with multiple parts to a lot of them. The other half is a barren exploration and crafting game similar to something like Valheim. The way you try and disregard gigantic swaths of the game, you could basically disregard the entire game of Valheim under this definition. It's wildnerness with optional crafting or scanning stuff. At 160 hours now, I've only even visited 29 out of 100 solar systems, let alone fully cataloging them. I've only even started 2 very basic outposts, let alone setting up a galactic network of outposts for each rare element all linked together across multiple planets with transport, storage, and multiple levels of manufacturing capability all synced up which will probably alone take someone dozens of hours to fully set up. If you want to just talk about the WRPG quests only in a sprint, then at least acknowledge you're just using an arbitrary definition that excludes like 60% of the game. Just because you think things like Valheim are worthless, doesn't mean it's true. You could basically call all of Valheim "bullshit forest stuff" but people play that game for 1000 hours. It's also procedurally generated. What I think you're missing is that Starfield and Cyberpunk aren't even fully the same genre.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they expand into more hardcore survival genre elements for the updates. The main thing you even get in this game are various elements to be used for crafting. It has all the elements of a survival game built in, they just dialed down the difficulty so that people aren't hard stop-forced to do it to progress since the game is a hybrid WRPG / survival game. It's all there though. All they have to do is just dial up the difficulty a little bit and you can't even progress until you set up outposts to mine various elements, fuel, create shelter from multiple varied environmental conditions, engage with the ship builder more meaningfully to progress. People who just voluntarily engage with that content are playing a far larger game than you're acknowledging.
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Mister Wolf
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In 2023 what Bethesda provides with their games isn't impressive anymore. It was the shit back in the day when we all had 360s playing Fallout 3. Times have changed. Other open world developers have caught up and surpassed them.
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Topher
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I said it clearly the first time but you have a knack for engaging in willful ignorance. I'll highlight it again below. Now tell me the Cyberpunk 2077 equivalent of what I'm describing.
lol....I didn't comment on the game's length. I said I haven't finished it so I referred to a website that tracks these things. More willful ignorance on your part my man. You really need to work on that.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Man all this shitting on Starfield just makes me want to review bomb it some more
To each their own. Easy for me to dismiss travelling to procedurally generated planets as fluff when it adds absolutely nothing to the game except for those who find enjoyment in making outposts I guess. Even easier when exploring these planets and systems involves redundant, lazy, menu navigation.
As many have said, they aren't the same genre, but they are same ballpark. Is there a non Bethesda game more similar than CP? Especially recently? Id unequivocally say no.
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