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Wii U clock speeds are found by marcan
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ElectricBlanketFire
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marcan said:
Hmm.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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boiled goose
good with gravy
I agree. But given what I said above, it is still so surprising on what the WiiU actually turned out to be. A Nintendo system for Nintendo.
BGassassin will probably not show his/her face again for a long long time. :/
metalslimer
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No because it would be dumb troll that doesn't represent the situation at all and completely go against that system wars thread evillore made. Get over it.
But we know they do. That's why they bitch when third parties ignore the system and that's why we have a bunch of people eagerly anticipating Bayonetta 2 when they probably never played the first one.
People pretend they don't care about third parties but everyone knows that's bollocks.
Nintendo IP's would also benefit from better hardware, hence people getting wet over the Zelda demo.
Like other people said, the architecture.
The Wii U is much more GPU focused then CPU.
gregor7777
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So a next gen system isn't "much worse" (only slightly worse) than a system from 2005.
lets do it: Build a better PC for around the WiiU Price
I made this in 5min just a week ago, is more like WiiU Premium + HDD Price
You can easily lower the price to 350 with only 4gb ram, smaller HDD etc.
And as a PC Gamer you not need to buy a Tower, Drive or Power Supply all the time
This thing would outperform the WiiU so much, all multi titles the WiiU has would run better on this PC xD
Logic. Much needed right now. Great post.
metalslimer
Member
Oh lord now we're going to have people trying to build PCs for cheaper and more powerful when that's not how things work at all.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I'm not defending it in any way. It's laughable.
But I'm Nintendo/PC only so it doesn't bother me as much.
They launched their 8th generation system with a 2D Mario game, though. Nintendo itself doesn't design their games around tech. As a PS360-ish system, I personally struggle to see how it will gimp the next Zelda, Kirby, Fire Emblem or Mario.
Horse Armour
Member
Exactly. The same PC would be a lot cheaper for Nintendo, they could have done even better than these guys.
Why would you do that?
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It's important to note that the GamePad takes up a lot of the cost as well.
boiled goose
good with gravy
but look at what is actually happening with ports. I know it is early launch, so I guess we will see what happens...
Oh cmon. The system can stand on its own merits without needing to check a box of what is acceptable to you in power.
The question is whether it will get third party ports of high profile games.
No GTA5 and no bioshock next year and it will be a repeat of the Wii's situation. At best, gamecube level support.
Drinky Crow
Banned
the wii u *is* more appealing to third-party developers in that ARCHITECTURALLY it is moderately easy to port from a 360 codebase and achieve reasonably similar performance :teehee
hey, that's three more years of relatively easy ports until durango and/or orbis hit stride!
hey, that's three more years of relatively easy ports until durango and/or orbis hit stride!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Check my post history and find one time I said "it's ok because Nintendo games don't need it."
I'll wait.
I've been VERY critical of Nintendo with the Wii U recently--even while admitting that I enjoy the system.
I was actually pretty surprise with the gamepad. I pretty much bought it being a gamer. And was happy that i did(still do). But, I also assumed that initial issues with OS , mediocre ports were just launch issues. Regardless, Its a disappointing news. I wish Nintendo treat itself with more leverage. I don't care about 3rd parties, I want Nintendo developer to have the same field as SSM , ND or EPIC etc and make a game that is unparalleled in not just art but also tech fidelity. Who the hell does not want that?
Saint Gregory
Member
Logic isn't what makes GAF go round my friend.
The WUST was full of fanboys in 24/7 attack mode. There's a difference between not expecting something and attacking any post that mention leaks claiming the possibility.
Hence my point of "it was expected" being odd in hindsight.
polyh3dron
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To be fair, regarding the GHz discussion, my current rMBP has a 2.6GHz CPU that completely smokes my previous MBP's 2.33GHz C2D CPU. Not all CPU clock speeds are created equal.
ElRenoRaven
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Exactly. I went into the WII U knowing that it wasn't going to outclass this generation's hardware. I bought it for the very reasons you listed minus the play with son thing of course. I bought it because 1 it's Nintendo in HD and it will have the Nintendo games I love. I knew before I bought it that in order to enjoy 3rd parties next gen's games I'd have to buy a PS4 or 720 to go with my WII U. Course it's been like that with Nintendo consoles since the N64 mind you.
you're looking at this all wrong. see, you're used to driving a ferrari. sure it's fast, exciting and leaves you with a smile on your face - but have you never thought of buying a minivan? why tear up the strip at 100mph when you can instead enjoy the piercing odour of your kids shitting their pants on the back seat while screaming at tinnitus inducing decibel levels as you hit the five mile daily tailback on the between daycare and your ex-wife's boyfriend's house?
you're just out of touch is all.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I highly disagree with this. Sorry--it wasn't "24/7 attack mode."
seattle6418
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Nintendo abandoned the high spec battle a long time ago and i don´t know why people were expecting anything different from them. Their first party games don´t need too much power, so i don´t see why they should try to make a "me too" console.
More and more i believe in the theory of two ideas for the Wii, that they chose the first for 2006 and now they are executing the second one.
I´m not sure how they can duplicate their sucess. I can get why motion controls wasn´t for me, but why some loved, but i can´t see a tablet being the next huge thing.
I didn´t follow most of Reggie´s interviews, but if they say they went after the hardcore gamers, that´s pretty laughable. Sure we wanted PS360 power, but that was in 2005. You can´t offer that to me now.
People are delusional if they think Sony and Microsoft will be conservative next gen. I have no doubt they will try to get the most power they can get without ruining their finances.
That´s where Nintendo migh have a problem, because apparently they believe PS4 and 720 will be "marginally better" than current gen.
If the Wii was inferior to PS360, at least it was better than Ps2/xbox. It looks like WiiU will be inferior to next gen AND on par at best with current gen.
I can´t believe their tech gap is going to be bigger, instead of smaller.
More and more i believe in the theory of two ideas for the Wii, that they chose the first for 2006 and now they are executing the second one.
I´m not sure how they can duplicate their sucess. I can get why motion controls wasn´t for me, but why some loved, but i can´t see a tablet being the next huge thing.
I didn´t follow most of Reggie´s interviews, but if they say they went after the hardcore gamers, that´s pretty laughable. Sure we wanted PS360 power, but that was in 2005. You can´t offer that to me now.
People are delusional if they think Sony and Microsoft will be conservative next gen. I have no doubt they will try to get the most power they can get without ruining their finances.
That´s where Nintendo migh have a problem, because apparently they believe PS4 and 720 will be "marginally better" than current gen.
If the Wii was inferior to PS360, at least it was better than Ps2/xbox. It looks like WiiU will be inferior to next gen AND on par at best with current gen.
I can´t believe their tech gap is going to be bigger, instead of smaller.
I hate to even jump into this, but I thought it was determined that the gamepad really isn't very expensive to manufacture?
It's not that it doesn't bother me, but I'm pretty sure we'll get some great games down the line. I do see this affecting Western developers more than Japanese developers, so I'm not too upset about it. I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up being more happy than I was with the Wii.
The game running badly is one thing, but people holding it up as something really impressive that would never run on Wii Us gimped CPU seems a bit weird. There's already a bunch of launch games on the platform that, at least from a quick glance, looks equally or more CPU-demanding.
grimshawish
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I have Assassin's Creed 3 which is very CPU focused and it runs great on the Wii U.
Well it's a good thing the Wii U has a more powerful GPU and it has more ram then PS3/360.
The Wii wasn't more powerful then Xbox in every way.
The last time they did that it resulted in the lowest selling Nintendo home console ever, and not exactly a ton of 3rd party support. It's honestly very easy to see why Nintendo does what it does.
xxbrothawizxx63
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Needs to be added to OP...
you can still make a more powerful computer with 250$ (the one shagg_187 have done but with the 4850 that i've found that cost 20$ more than his 6570) remaining the 100$ for the gamepad
Which is exactly why I think this quote from Marcan's twitter is valid.
https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/274182672652308480
Sledge Hammer
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Selling golf and asking porsche money
I do agree the ports haven't held up pretty well. I've only gotten Sonic Racing and Tekken Tag and both have been good to me so far. I would tend to think it's because developers rushed their titles for launch that most games ended up the way they did, but who knows. I'm going to reserve my judgement on ports until something else is ported down the line.
grimshawish
Banned
Pretty much. The output of the actual content is what matters.
That final product the Wii U produces.
As I say; theres something happening if this thing can produce ports of end of gen games.
Since this something is different from PS360 its realtively good that up front these ports were (outside of one or two) reasonably on par; if still containing the problems of the original systems.
Its not a PC; its not that blunt.
These specs don't make the full picture. Thats as clear as day.
How much do the other internals make a difference? We don't yet know; but it is frustrating that these threads never seem to actually want to know what that is.
Cornbread78
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ah, a Dali classic. Truly a timeless artist; such irony in the painiting and the artist.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Is this why the OS is slow as hell to load anything off the menu?
Drinky Crow
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it's true!
srs face, though: if we're gonna drag this analogy out, there are "ferraris" out (dual 690GTX ahoy), but NO-ONE makes a "fuel" that'll push them to anywhere close to their limits, plus "california emissions laws" (windows) hobble their performance in favor of ensuring that they are always "highway legal" OH WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS
the wii u is a kia soul. its market wants cute little cartoon animals at the helm, and as long as it can keep up with the aztek (ps3) and the fit (360), HOORAY WE ALL GET TO RIDE BUT ONLY ONE OF US HAS A HAMSTER SINGING TO US AM I RITE KAIJIMA
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Alright. Decided to upgrade GPU with 6770.
CPU: 3.2GHz Triple Core AMD Athlon II X3 450 - $65
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 GPU with 1GBs of VRAM - $100
Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3B Micro ATX - $45
RAM: 2GB of Kingston DDR3 - $10
Power Supply: Athena Power 400W PSU - $20
Hard Drive: 250GB WD Caviar Blue 7200RPM - $50
TOTAL: $290.
CPU: 3.2GHz Triple Core AMD Athlon II X3 450 - $65
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 GPU with 1GBs of VRAM - $100
Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3B Micro ATX - $45
RAM: 2GB of Kingston DDR3 - $10
Power Supply: Athena Power 400W PSU - $20
Hard Drive: 250GB WD Caviar Blue 7200RPM - $50
TOTAL: $290.
H_Prestige
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So it's not much worse than a 2005 CPU that was largely considered shit by developers in the first place? Awesome!
People say Wii U is on par with current gen consoles. And the rebuttal is pointing out ports that perform on par with current gen consoles? Ok...
Then it likely would've gone up in cost. And people still would've said it's underpowered.
A few more graphical whizbangs isn't going to make me like a game more. The Wii U will succeed or fail in my eyes based on software that I find compelling, whether it's on par with the PS4/720 or not. My purchase of the PS4/720 will be made for the same reason: compelling software, not number of gigaflops or sparks or whatever.
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