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[la flama blanca]

I'm gonna say Valve is getting out of the game making business, but let's be honest they haven't exactly been a game dev for a while now, that hasn't been their focus.

HOLY FUCK, all this time I thought I was playing Dota 2, turned out I was actually playing the SIMS, SHIT.

 

[Sanic]

This is getting insane. Where's Valve PR department?

Wherever their customer service dept is.

 

[faceless007]

There have been more recent quotes, I believe from Gabe himself although I can't remember specifically, about being aggressive when it comes to hiring and firing.

I keep seeing references to this quote about firing but I haven't seen a source. Anyone got a link to exactly what he said and where?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

I keep seeing references to this quote about firing but I haven't seen a source. Anyone got a link to exactly what he said and where?

I only heard about it offhand on an Idle Thumbs podcast. I think it was a University of Texas talk?

 

[Prime crotch]

Which is why we just got a dota 2 patch today?

Supporting the current games don't really make much of a call for the creative types that have left the company.

so who made portal 2/ dota 2?

Poor wording on my part, but I mean their business focus has shifted less from game dev to whatever they're becoming now, Orange Box was like 6/7 years ago, since then their efforts have been geared towards supporting tf2 and the occasional project. If it weren't for Portal 2 I'd given up on any sort of Valve like game entirely.
What are all those creative people really going to do in that case?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Oh, here it is: http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/1/3941274/gabe-newell-steam-box-talk-ut

 

[la flama blanca]

Supporting the current games don't really make much of a call for the creative types that have left the company.

I mean their business focus has shifted less from game dev to whatever they're becoming now, Orange Box was like 7 years ago, since then their efforts have been geared towards supporting tf2 and the occasional project. What are all those creative people really going to do in that case?

Dota 2 isn't finished FYI.

 

[out0v0rder]

well looking at their rolds i can understand why some of these people aren't needed anymore. they will be fine.

 

[NervousXtian]

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Gabe's talk about being unable to compete with "customers" in terms of content creation, his will to monetize that content as well as making money of the most mundane stuff like banners for DOTA spectators and opening up Steam further as a "marketspace", makes me guess that we might see even less content than we already did from valve in the future.

It's kind of already happened. I'm sure if one was to look at the P&L of Valve the money is from Steam, and hats. TF2 was the beginning of the end with the hats and F2P. Dota2 will show it as well... LoL really showed what is possible in that realm of gaming.

The money is in the ultra-addictive F2P model.. not single player experiences that you can't harpoon whales with.

Sadly, the future of gaming is going to go where the money is.. and that's in a model that can be monetized for a long length of time.

One look at the iOS charts shows where the money is being made.. and it's not the future I want.

Valve has been dead as a Dev for me since Portal 2.. which really was the last SP experience I think we'll see.. and it started it's dev cycle well before this new model came to fruition as the future.

It's why I've never understood why gamers stood behind Valve as this greater good type Dev.. they are the epitome of what's wrong to gamers who want deep single player experiences.

Half-Life is dead.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

I keep seeing references to this quote about firing but I haven't seen a source. Anyone got a link to exactly what he said and where?

http://www.valvetime.net/threads/up...-to-or-not-were-becoming-a-bottleneck.243125/

Gabe spends much of the talk discussing Valve's flat management structure, why it works, how new employees react to it (as it turns out people from the film industry find it hardest to take in) and what you need to do to make it work. One possibly surprising comment Gabe makes is that "you have to be aggressive about firing people" when it's not working out.

 

[apana]

Gabe has turned into Miyamoto and is flipping tables left and right. Get in line or get out. Time for some tough love.

Spoiler

Yeah I have no clue what is going on either.

 

[subversus]

Supporting the current games don't really make much of a call for the creative types that have left the company.

I mean their business focus has shifted less from game dev to whatever they're becoming now, Orange Box was like 7 years ago, since then their efforts have been geared towards supporting tf2 and the occasional project. What are all those creative people really going to do in that case?

how the fuck 5 huge games in 7 years are "the occasional project"? like WHAT THE FUCK?!

 

[The Teachinator]

Supporting the current games don't really make much of a call for the creative types that have left the company.

Poor wording on my part, but I mean their business focus has shifted less from game dev to whatever they're becoming now, Orange Box was like 7 years ago, since then their efforts have been geared towards supporting tf2 and the occasional project. If it weren't for Portal 2 I'd given up on any sort of Valve like game entirely.
What are all those creative people really going to do in that case?

Uhh,

Left 4 dead
Left 4 dead 2
Portal 2
DOTA 2
TF2 events and expansions?

 

[DaBuddaDa]

how the fuck 5 huge games in 7 years are "the occasional project"? like WHAT THE FUCK?!

The ones they don't care about don't count obviously. Especially Left 4 Dead 1 and 2. Totally didn't count.

Uhh,

Left 4 dead
Left 4 dead 2
Portal 2
DOTA 2
TF2 events and expansions?

Don't forget Counter-Strike: GO too!

 

[Lasthope106]

Confirmed! Robin Walker has left Valve. ;_;

edit:

Spoiler

trolololol

 

[Deleted member 30609]

http://www.valvetime.net/threads/up...-to-or-not-were-becoming-a-bottleneck.243125/

it's worth noting that this appears to be about relatively new hires, whereas many of these appear to be long-term employees.

 

[Zia]

Guys, I'm playing DOD with a bunch of old Southerners. Valve will be fine.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

I keep seeing references to this quote about firing but I haven't seen a source. Anyone got a link to exactly what he said and where?

He said it in his talk at the University of Texas.

Someone asked if they had made mistakes along the way.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

If Valve wants to get out of making games, fine, I guess. I'll miss them, as they've made some of my favorite games of all time, but Steam is a great service and if they want to devote more of their time to it and other non-game projects, I can deal. But they can't just leave Half Life where it is now, with that ridiculously tense cliffhanger. That needs to be resolved in some form. It's just cruel otherwise.

Either way, Gabe needs to make some sort of announcement about what's happening. People are losing their minds.

 

[CountAntonius]

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Gabe's talk about being unable to compete with "customers" in terms of content creation, his will to monetize that content as well as making money of the most mundane stuff like banners for DOTA spectators and opening up Steam further as a "marketspace", makes me guess that we might see even less content than we already did from valve in the future.

I'm not against this if it mean it free's up valve to make actual game content rather then hats, skins, and map packs. The community has always driven these games and Valve has realized why should they compete with them if they can embrace them instead.

The steam Workshop just launched for CS Go a few days ago and now has 534 entries. I'm sure out of all those there will be some good ones that will be made official.

 

[Guess Who]

Confirmed! Robin Walker has left Valve. ;_;

edit:

Spoiler

trolololol

Don't even fucking joke about that.

 

[Jackben]

Don't even fucking joke about that.

.

 

[Vamphuntr]

I'm gonna say Valve is getting out of the game making business, but let's be honest they haven't exactly been a game dev for a while now, that hasn't been their focus.

Nah, but Valve might be slowly getting out of the "traditional" gaming market. They make lot of money from DOTA 2 and TF2 through microtransactions. My guess is that you will see more F2P games with community content created than games like Half life, Portal and L4D.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Confirmed! Robin Walker has left Valve. ;_;

edit:

Spoiler

trolololol

you motherfucker

 

[Row]

I guess Valve is like IBM, they started by making products (Half-Life) which eventually got overshadowed by far superior products (Call of Duty) but were able to transition to services and excel there instead.

 

[la flama blanca]

Nah, but Valve might be slowly getting out of the "traditional" gaming market. They make lot of money from DOTA 2 and TF2 through microtransactions. My guess is that you will see more F2P games with community content created than games like Half life, Portal and L4D.

Voice packs for Gordon Freeman confirmed.

 

[njr]

A Gaben heel turn is long overdue

 

[DerZuhälter]

Uhh,

Left 4 dead
Left 4 dead 2
Portal 2
DOTA 2
TF2 events and expansions?

Wasn't L4D 1+2 made by Turtle Rock Studios? CS:GO was also done by Hidden Path Entertainment as far as I know. Portal 2 and DOTA 2 were the last Valve in house games.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Poor wording on my part, but I mean their business focus has shifted less from game dev to whatever they're becoming now, Orange Box was like 6/7 years ago, since then their efforts have been geared towards supporting tf2 and the occasional project. If it weren't for Portal 2 I'd given up on any sort of Valve like game entirely.
What are all those creative people really going to do in that case?

Once again, they have released a game a year for the last 5 years.

 

[subversus]

I guess Valve is like IBM, they started by making products (Half-Life) which eventually got overshadowed by far superior products (Call of Duty) but were able to transition to services and excel there instead.

nice, 7/10

 

[Schweinehund]

Cleaning house.

Just because the system is peer reviewed does not mean there are no firings. Kind of curious whats going on though...

 

[Dmax3901]

ARG. Definitely. Mark my word-- buuhuhwaaaaahh

 

[subversus]

Wasn't L4D 1+2 made by Turtle Rock Studios? CS:GO was also done by Hidden Path Entertainment as far as I know. Portal 2 and DOTA 2 were the last Valve in house games.

L4D2 was done entirely in-house and l4D was co-developed (the team got bought, Tom Leonard made the AI director AFAIK).

again this shit repeats itself every fucking thread.

 

[Gannd]

I guess Valve is like IBM, they started by making products (Half-Life) which eventually got overshadowed by far superior products (Call of Duty) but were able to transition to services and excel there instead.

Troll?

 

[DerZuhälter]

Nah, but Valve might be slowly getting out of the "traditional" gaming market. They make lot of money from DOTA 2 and TF2 through microtransactions. My guess is that you will see more F2P games with community content created than games like Half life, Portal and L4D.

So will people still laugh about Cevat Yerli and Crytek going full on f2p if Valve goes the same way?

 

[grimshawish]

Do they know if its Gabe yet? What if he escaped on a horse?

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

So will people still laugh about Cevat Yerli and Crytek going full on f2p if Valve goes the same way?

Yep because they're shortsighted and hypocritical.

 

[nomis]

Confirmed! Robin Walker has left Valve. ;_;

edit:

Spoiler

trolololol

 

[1-D_FTW]

Wasn't L4D 1+2 made by Turtle Rock Studios? CS:GO was also done by Hidden Path Entertainment as far as I know. Portal 2 and DOTA 2 were the last Valve in house games.

L4D2 was made by Valve and even L4D was heavily supervised. Giving Turtle Rock credit is like giving credit to the myriad of awful development houses that made good games for Nintendo. It's not a coincidence their one standout game occurred when it did.

 

[nephilimdj]

Nah, but Valve might be slowly getting out of the "traditional" gaming market. They make lot of money from DOTA 2 and TF2 through microtransactions. My guess is that you will see more F2P games with community content created than games like Half life, Portal and L4D.

But DOTA 2 was there main priority last year (as said by Gabe many times), it still would of cost them 50-100million.
Not pure profit like TF2 and its 12 man team

Reason why there f2p cosmetic dlc is so expensive.

 

[Artanisix]

Gabe has left valve confirmed

 

[Huevos de Oro]

That FB post reads more like someone ready to move on and do shit on his own.

I don't think there should be any reason to be worried about Valve.

 

[mephixto]

Gabe got tired Dota2 and finally moved his desk to other team then he realized that half of Valve was doing nothing.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Do they know if its Gabe yet? What if he escaped on a horse?

 

[Prime crotch]

DOTA2 still being in development doesn't really help matters, what I guess is projects that would motivate the people leaving to stay aren't happening. Maybe they want to work on more single-player experiences instead of their new business model

how the fuck 5 huge games in 7 years are "the occasional project"? like WHAT THE FUCK?!

Huge in what sense? They've been batting a great average, and all their games seem to be expertly managed and designed; but I wouldn't really call their games huge, outside of Half-Life 2.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Gabe got tired Dota2 and finally moved his desk to other team then he realized that half of Valve was doing nothing.

I bet they were doing a Harlem Shake video and anyone participating in that nonsense got fired.

 

[JoeyJungle]

Holy fuck, the only thing more surprising would be if gaben was fired

 

[grimshawish]

That FB post reads more like someone ready to move on and do shit on his own.

I don't think there should be any reason to be worried about Valve.

Right after someone got fired pretty much on the spot? Hmm...
There is change afoot.

 

[Jackben]

Do they know if its Gabe yet? What if he escaped on a horse?

Gabe got tired Dota2 and finally moved his desk to other team then he realized that half of Valve was doing nothing.

*slowclap*

 

[teiresias]

These are all creative people interested in designing games not coding credit card validation software and online store checkout software. Wouldn't surprise me if this is a mass exodus after a great many of them realized Valve isn't interested in making games anymore but just being a DD store front.