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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima

Is Joakim Mogren CG?

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140.85

Cognitive Dissonance, Distilled
I'm with Maldo. If there is CG, it's mapped onto a live action actor (as well as derived from that actor) and in only some of the shots so there can be a comparison post-reveal.

It seems an odd way to show how awesome your tech is though...oh, look! we got 2/5 of a persons face to look real under bandages!
 
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papersleeves

Member
Willkiller said:
It's still quite clearly CG
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No it's clearly not quite clearly CG. I'm pretty sure that if you remove the sound from that video and show it to anyone, no one would see a CG character. All they would say would probably be: "Hey look a pretty girl talking. Why are you showing me this?"

Don't get me wrong. I highly doubt Joakim was CG. But there is nothing in the previous video that makes it quite clearly CG like you said. No apparent aliasing, no visible shader artifacts, the skin looks totally real, the face animation looks completely real, the blouse she is wearing looks real. It's a pretty damn good job and this is the first and only video I can honestly say uncanny valley.

By all mean show me what makes it fake in your eyes.
 
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Knight77

Member
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Just an idea... this guy up there is clearly a person. Why we cannot suppose that he was the model used to make the CG one that then we saw in the the interview?

I am in TeamCG more because "I want to believe" than because real proofs, but honestly some parts are a bit weird... at first when I saw his "reaction face" to the FoxEngine sentence...well the eyes didn't look that normal to me ahahah
 
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Perkel

Banned
For me it looks CG. Facial expressions are simply too dramatic in that interview. As of facial animation rendering we saw what LA Noire did on 2006 hardware something like this should be possible now.
 
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Dr.Acula

Banned
Knight77 said:
Just an idea... this guy up there is clearly a person. Why we cannot suppose that he was the model used to make the CG one that then we saw in the the interview?
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We chosen people of #teamcg maintain that the Joakim is in fact a model of a mortal man, projected onto a higher plane of existance, this is the gospel. It's the heretics of #teamreal that feel that the Joakim is a man of flesh and blood, and that our prophet Kojima's miracles are all lies.
 
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jaypah

Member
Dr.Acula said:
#teamfun is lame though. If you're gonna be #teamcg commit for real reasons, like #teamneck or #teameyelid. Whether it be #teamrealtime or #teamprerendered...

In this spring...this is very tough...in this spring I'm going to take my talents to GDC and join #teamcg.
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you sound like one of the Realies sent here to cause confusion inside of #teamcg. Welcome aboard but I'm keeping my eye on you.

#teamcg #teamfun
 
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Xun

Member
Here's a little task for all the naysayers, but please attempt to do the same reaction as Joakim at the end without moving your bottom eyelids.

Come on, do it.
 
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Nokagi

Unconfirmed Member
TeamCG has been taken over by TeamFun, they are no longer valid as a team of true believers. C'mon over to TeamReal were we still stand for something... real!
 
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Kyoufu

Member
Nokagi said:
TeamCG has been taken over by TeamFun, they are no longer valid as a team of true believers. C'mon over to TeamReal were we still stand for something... real!
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Nope. #TeamFun has a right to exist, but I'll always be #TeamCG because I BELIEVE.

Geoff wouldn't go to a random hotel room for absolutely nothing.
 
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Kageshinzo

Member
This is why the consequences for losing should be severe. Account ban, GAF flogging, Tibetan Monk-style self-immolation, whatever. Then we'll see if you Team F(l)akes are really going to commit to your supposed "stand". #bringit
 
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Pachterballs

Banned
Knight77 said:
Just an idea... this guy up there is clearly a person. Why we cannot suppose that he was the model used to make the CG one that then we saw in the the interview?

I am in TeamCG more because "I want to believe" than because real proofs, but honestly some parts are a bit weird... at first when I saw his "reaction face" to the FoxEngine sentence...well the eyes didn't look that normal to me ahahah
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its just bad acting.

its also deliberately bad acting.
 
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Midou

Member
Pachterballs said:
its just bad acting.

its also deliberately bad acting.
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That's what I thought for most of it too. Like he was trained to be bizarre.

As #TeamReal member, I could see interview having a couple of purposes, one is to build up hype and knowledge about the GDC panel/reveal, and another is maybe they will try to show the interview again but with the guy as CGI or something.
 
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Sn4ke_911

If I ever post something in Japanese which I don't understand, please BAN me.
Knight77 said:
Just an idea... this guy up there is clearly a person. Why we cannot suppose that he was the model used to make the CG one that then we saw in the the interview?

I am in TeamCG more because "I want to believe" than because real proofs, but honestly some parts are a bit weird... at first when I saw his "reaction face" to the FoxEngine sentence...well the eyes didn't look that normal to me ahahah
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I wanna see your "reaction face" if you get surprised by something while having bandage around your head.

PolarBearsClub said:
Has it been pointed out that Joakim is an anagram for Kojima? I looked through the thread but couldn't find anything on that particular point.
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Since last years VGA's.
 
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Midou

Member
That's the other thing, I think details of his eyes and mouth are unnatural and exaggerated because that is all you see and it tricks your brain..
 
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Sorian

Banned
Midou said:
That's what I thought for most of it too. Like he was trained to be bizarre.

As #TeamReal member, I could see interview having a couple of purposes, one is to build up hype and knowledge about the GDC panel/reveal, and another is maybe they will try to show the interview again but with the guy as CGI or something.
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But, hey, I mean, why do the same thing twice? You know what I'm saying?
 
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jaypah

Member
Nokagi said:
TeamCG has been taken over by TeamFun, they are no longer valid as a team of true believers. C'mon over to TeamReal were we still stand for something... real!
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#teamreal where everything is as it's always been. Fuck that, sounds boooooooring!

#teamcg #teamfun
 
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking

Banned
Thinking that it's not possible that this guy was CG is silly.

Thinking that this guy was rendered with the fox engine on anything remotely close to next gen hardware is lunacy.

Basically this whole exercise was pointless from a tech standpoint.
 
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Nokagi

Unconfirmed Member
Kyoufu said:
Geoff wouldn't go to a random hotel room for absolutely nothing.
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Of course he'd go if Kojima's people contacted him and asked him to do a fun little interview for them. It's not like that would be below Geoff's standards or something. I mean it's just Gametrailers, he has to find something to fill up time on that show.
 
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Midou

Member
Nokagi said:
Of course he'd go if Kojima's people contacted him and asked him to do a fun little interview for them. It's not like that would be below Geoff's standards or something. I mean it's just Gametrailers, he has to find something to fill up time on that show.
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Yep, the mystery alone gets people talking. I think the interview clearly had purpose beyond the revelation of the fox engine, but not that he was CGI..
 
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Sn4ke_911

If I ever post something in Japanese which I don't understand, please BAN me.
AuthenticM said:
I just rewatched the video, and the whole time I was concentrated on staring at Joakim's lips. The way they moved at times felt unnatural. I'm switching camp to TeamCGI.
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Have you never watched The Matrix? there is no going back, you already took the blue pill.
 
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Bjoern the Smexy

Member
Am I still on TeamCG when I think that Joakim's head is CG and his facial movements were recorded via facial motion capturing?
Meaning that the guy who was interviewed by Geoff had a shitload of dots on his face.

If so then I am totally on Team CG.

This thread (and the rereveal of Phantom Pain) will be absolutely glorious.
 
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Zeal

Banned
Uh....that's fucking CG. Holy shit man.

It's definitely a little trickery going on with motion capture and video compositing though.
 
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DecoyOctopus

Member
Bjoern the Smexy said:
Am I still on TeamCG when I think that Joakim's head is CG and his facial movements were recorded via facial motion capturing?
Meaning that the guy who was interviewed by Geoff had a shitload of dots on his face.

If so then I am totally on Team CG.

This thread (and the rereveal of Phantom Pain) will be absolutely glorious.
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Yes.
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Ether_Snake

安安安安安安安安安安安安安安安
Maybe only the mouth is real. And when Kojima will do his presentation he will show the video with the CG mouth, showing where there is still work to be done to get complete realism.

So put me on team Hybrid I guess.
 
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jaypah

Member
Ether_Snake said:
Maybe only the mouth is real. And when Kojima will do his presentation he will show the video with the CG mouth, showing where there is still work to be done to get complete realism.

So put me on team Hybrid I guess.
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so #teamcg for you then? Sweet, welcome.
 
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jacksepticeye

Member
People are confusing his weird face and terribly and purposefully bad acting with something that's not real lol. Just cos he looks weird doesn't mean he's animated. many people in real life look and act just as weird.
 
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Wallach

Member
papersleeves said:
?

No it's clearly not quite clearly CG. I'm pretty sure that if you remove the sound from that video and show it to anyone, no one would see a CG character. All they would say would probably be: "Hey look a pretty girl talking. Why are you showing me this?"

Don't get me wrong. I highly doubt Joakim was CG. But there is nothing in the previous video that makes it quite clearly CG like you said. No apparent aliasing, no visible shader artifacts, the skin looks totally real, the face animation looks completely real, the blouse she is wearing looks real. It's a pretty damn good job and this is the first and only video I can honestly say uncanny valley.

By all mean show me what makes it fake in your eyes.
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The only thing being rendered in the "Emily" Image Metrics demo is her face, which is laid over her actual face. Everything else is real because it's the same video they used to create the face animation in the first place.
 
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