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[Aquamarine]

Online-only is basically confirmed at this point.

So I'll pass, regardless of the price.

There are WAY too many sources and rumors and hints for Durango to not have online-only at this point.

Denying Microsoft doesn't have something in the works is like denying there isn't a Durango---Microsoft is betting on online-only to combat piracy, used game sales, to increase ad revenue and Xbox Live Gold sales, to make major publishers more happy, and to align themselves with the wishes of major developers towards merging singleplayer + multiplayer in games.

For them, the move may be anti-consumer, but it's "the logical next step" in the evolution of the gaming industry.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

It would be a lot more profitable to have BC. They could use it as a marketing point. "All of your favourite Xbox 360 games will also work on this new Xbox."

They can keep their digital titles on the next Xbox and aren't limited to keeping their 360.

If they make it so games like this fall's Call of Duty can be used on both the Stingray and the Nextbox with the same servers, I can see dudebros picking up the Nextbox to play the superior version against the friends.

Microsoft hates consumers, kinect sucks, always online, Sony loves you... Gamers are so dramatic. I'm gonna wait till they announce before I decide to buy one or not. The people in here talking about getting out the word to people not to buy lol. People will buy what they want you don't have to do sony's dirty work. Why do you even care what people purchase? Wow.

The Wii was the best selling console this gen. You don't think word of mouth wasn't one of the main reasons for that?

 

[saunderez]

Microsoft hates consumers, kinect sucks, always online, Sony loves you... Gamers are so dramatic. I'm gonna wait till they announce before I decide to buy one or not. The people in here talking about getting out the word to people not to buy lol. People will buy what they want you don't have to do sony's dirty work. Why do you even care what people purchase? Wow.

Because some of us (me included) were automatically going to buy the Nextbox barring a major fuckup by Microsoft. This is that major fuckup. If my voice can help them reconsider this ridiculous idea then perhaps less people can be affected by this stupid decision.

 

[MaulerX]

It would be a lot more profitable to have BC. They could use it as a marketing point. "All of your favourite Xbox 360 games will also work on this new Xbox."

They can keep their digital titles on the next Xbox and aren't limited to keeping their 360.

Exactly. And all the kids who purchases the cheap Stingray model won't have any remorse and can eventually graduate to the Durango model fully knowing that their digital and physical library will work on the 720 model.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The thing is the charge per month will be higher.

Look at the $99 contract xbox (baseline). It requires you pay $14.99 a month for 2 years.

It ends up being more expensive than premium xbox and paying 2 years at $6.99 (that is if you don't find additional deals).

People weren't stupid. The $99 Xbox with 2 years contract wasn't a big seller.

People buy smartphones that way even if they end being more expensive. The 99$ Xbox might didn't do as well because the wasn't a difference of 200$ dollars. Lots of people already pay for Live Gold so I'm sure a lot of them will go for the cheaper model.

 

[SPDIF]

WTF? do you really think Brazil, South Africa, and Australia are in EUROPE????
You must be joking.

Reading the posts that led up to his post, I'm 99.99% sure he's joking.

 

[Takuya]

Microsoft hates consumers, kinect sucks, always online, Sony loves you... Gamers are so dramatic. I'm gonna wait till they announce before I decide to buy one or not. The people in here talking about getting out the word to people not to buy lol. People will buy what they want you don't have to do sony's dirty work. Why do you even care what people purchase? Wow.

Because nobody should get screwed over by Microsoft.

 

[Replicant]

Microsoft hates consumers, kinect sucks, always online, Sony loves you... Gamers are so dramatic. I'm gonna wait till they announce before I decide to buy one or not. The people in here talking about getting out the word to people not to buy lol. People will buy what they want you don't have to do sony's dirty work. Why do you even care what people purchase? Wow.

You don't think before you post, do you?

Because if this becomes a norm, all of us are screwed. Our rights as consumers are already dwindling down as it is now. If this goes to ahead, we will no longer have access to our purchased games unless we're online. We'll be at the mercy of publishers as to when we can play our games. What a load of BS. I'm not paying $100-$120 (the price of games here in Australia) so I can be told when I can play my games and when I can't.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It would be a lot more profitable to have BC. They could use it as a marketing point. "All of your favourite Xbox 360 games will also work on this new Xbox."

They can keep their digital titles on the next Xbox and aren't limited to keeping their 360.

I highly doubt it would be more profitable. Being a marketing point isn't a line item on a balance sheet.

There are significant costs involved in BC. Inclusion would require the 360 hardware, and from what I understand potentially increase the system's complexity and cooling requirements further increasing costs.

It also cuts into an alternate profitable revenue stream - 360 sales.

Inclusion of backwards compatibility is essentially giving away a 360 in the box of every Durango.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Microsoft hates consumers, kinect sucks, always online, Sony loves you... Gamers are so dramatic. I'm gonna wait till they announce before I decide to buy one or not. The people in here talking about getting out the word to people not to buy lol. People will buy what they want you don't have to do sony's dirty work. Why do you even care what people purchase? Wow.

Sounds awfully like someone complaining that people aren't falling in line with this instead of calling MS out on their bull.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Because this screws consumers, which includes us. Why would you want your family or friend screwed over because of Microsoft's policy? If enough negative word of mouth spreads, then it would be possible that MS can change it, though unlikely. Why would you want to support this bullshit policy?

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

This. Is quite clever actually. Sony should do the same with PSN+, you know, something actually worth the subscription.

I agree. I'd like Sony to do something like this because PSN+ is good, gets them in the ecosystem and i'd be subbing with PS+ anyways

 

[Prine]

Because nobody should get screwed over by Microsoft.

Oh please.


Still don't see always online being a big deal. My Roku us always online, my phone is always online, my computers are always online. Really isn't much of an issue. Nor is BC, i never use it.

 

[Askherserenity]

There are WAY too many sources and rumors and hints for Durango to not have online-only at this point.

Denying Microsoft doesn't have something in the works is like denying there isn't a Durango---Microsoft is betting on online-only to combat piracy, used game sales, to increase ad revenue and Xbox Live Gold sales, to make major publishers more happy, and to align themselves with the wishes of major developers towards merging singleplayer + multiplayer in games.

For them, the move may be anti-consumer, but it's "the logical next step" in the evolution of the gaming industry.

Worst thing is that if this does end up happening (pretty sure it will), this actually WILL be the next evolution in the gaming industry and everyone will follow suit. Sad face. :/

 

[Rebel Leader]

Worst thing is that if this does end up happening (pretty sure it will), this actually WILL be the next evolution in the gaming industry and everyone will follow suit. Sad face. :/

when has nintendo followed anyone? =3

 

[xxracerxx]

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

You never get disconnected from LIVE while you are playing a single player game?

 

[BruiserBear]

Why are people taking this $500 price seriously? There isn't a chance in hell that is the entry point price.

 

[Replicant]

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

Oh. What will happen, for example, if MS got hacked and has to cease all online service by a month to fix the breach? How would you play your game then if ability to play it is tied to you being able to connect to their server? I hope you enjoy your next-gen console to be nothing but a dead brick when your online connection goes down as well or when MS retire their servers somewhere down the line.

I played Dead Space 3 last night and was about to buy the stupid resources with my in-game dockets. Due to EA's greediness, they put both in-game purchase and real money purchase in the same area: their server, because they are hoping you'll not rely on the in-game dockets and just use your own money to buy the resources. Guess what? The server was down last night and I couldn't buy any resources with the dockets. This wouldn't have happened if the purchasing was done within the game OFFLINE instead of having to connect to their crummy server.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

when has nintendo followed anyone? =3

They will once the new CEO arrives.

 

[xxracerxx]

Why are people taking this $500 price seriously? There isn't a chance in hell that is the entry point price.

Who would have thought PS3 would release at $599??? No one.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

Not everyone has perfect internet. Even mine drops once in a while.

Do you not understand the consequences and repercussions of Murphy's law?

You never get disconnected from LIVE while you are playing a single player game?

I have multiple times when I had a 360.

 

[DaBoss]

I highly doubt it would be more profitable. Being a marketing point isn't a line item on a balance sheet.

There are significant costs involved in BC. Inclusion would require the 360 hardware, and from what I understand potentially increase the system's complexity and cooling requirements further increasing costs.

It also cuts into an alternate profitable revenue stream - 360 sales.

Inclusion of backwards compatibility is essentially giving away a 360 in the box of every Durango.

Yea, I shouldn't have used the word profitable, should have said would be more of a benefit for MS. Brings good will for 360 owners and could potentially extend the life of 360 software at retail.

I guess that's true, it would become more complex and would require better cooling.

People who are going to be buying a 360 when Durango launches and the people who are buying a Durango have a very small overlap. I highly doubt it would affect their revenue streams. Have a $99 for those who would obviously not buy a Durango at the price of $300 with incremental costs or $500 up front, of course that is assuming the rumors are true.

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

And when your internet connection has issues or when their servers have issues, you won't be able to play the games. This is absolutely bullshit since it isn't needed to play the game at all.

Many people don't have the benefit of having a great internet connection. It is a practice that indicates that MS doesn't give a shit about its consumers.

 

[Anton668]

I am literally always online when I game so this wouldn't affect me. I suspect this has to do with the subscription. People are being dramatic. I don't see it negatively to be honest. Whether I'm playing PC, PS3 or 360 I'm online.

good for you. myself and many others dont have stable internet.

*in before "why would you live there*

 

[Minions]

Why are people taking this $500 price seriously? There isn't a chance in hell that is the entry point price.

You must have missed the PS3 launch. Build of Materials including the Kinect 2.0 and box will likely cost around 350~ before any advertising costs, research costs etc. I bet it will be closer to 400~.

They will launch with a subsidized "+2 years of live" model, and the standard model without live.

 

[BruiserBear]

Who would have thought PS3 would release at $599??? No one.

Yes, and how did that go for them? Sony fired the guy who made the PS3 that expensive, and then spent years trying to make the console as affordable as possible.

Microsoft is not stupid enough to go down that same path.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Sounds awfully like someone complaining that people aren't falling in line with this instead of calling MS out on their bull.

I just think people are being dramatic. Just my opinion. I don't care what people purchase but some people do I guess. I'm getting the PS4 and probably the 720. I might skip the wii U but if someone wants the wii U I wouldn't trash nintendo just because I don't like what they are doing with their new hardware. Fall in line? lol

 

[Tom Penny]

What a shock. More overreaction based on speculation and no proof of anything yet.

 

[Iacobellis]

Yes, and how did that go for them? Sony fired the guy who made the PS3 that expensive, and then spent years trying to make the console as affordable as possible.

Microsoft is not stupid enough to go down that same path.

You're an idiot.

 

[xxracerxx]

Sony fired the guy who made the PS3 that expensive

What? There was one person responsible for the entirety of the PS3?

What a shock. More overreaction based on speculation and no proof of anything yet.

What are we suppose to discuss with no word from MS?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Oh please.


Still don't see always online being a big deal. My Roku us always online, my phone is always online, my computers are always online. Really isn't much of an issue. Nor is BC, i never use it.

Except it isn't primarily a Roku streaming device or a phone. It's a gaming console that uses discs. Online should be optional.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Yes, and how did that go for them? Sony fired the guy who made the PS3 that expensive, and then spent years trying to make the console as affordable as possible.

Microsoft is not stupid enough to go down that same path.

With the subscription model out there, I can see them pushing for that one. Since they will end making more money with that model. So that means that other model needs a "premium" price and 500$ sounds about right.

 

[DaBoss]

What a shock. More overreaction based on speculation and no proof of anything yet.

Prices are rumors. Always-online is all but officially confirmed at this point.

You're an idiot.

No need to insult him/her for not knowing something.

 

[LOCK]

Last gen I had:
DS+Wii+360+PS3+PC+PSP

Currently this gen it looks like:
3DS+WiiU+PS4+PC

Without third party exclusives the only thing Microsoft has that I want to play is Halo. I can wait a few years for Halo. With all these rumors, even if some of them are real, they have an uphill battle in convincing me to get a 720 around launch or the year after.

 

[Rebel Leader]

What? There was one person responsible for the entirety of the PS3?



What are we suppose to discuss with no word from MS?

This discussion is spotty
So he won't post

 

[Gen X]

I still think the next Xbox will sell out on Release Date. I don't think the always online functionality will be marketed negatively.

That and a lot of gamers who don't frequent the internet will just see the displays in shops "720 Coming Dec 3rd. $***. Pre Order NOW!" or "720 OUT NOW!" and it will sell itself. All nthey will think it next gen Halo, CoD, Forza blah balh and probably not do any research or read the small print on the box. I expect a lot of people will return the console when they get it home and realise they need an internet connection which either they don't have, or they only have a CAT5 router and are unable to have some cable running halfway across the house.

 

[BruiserBear]

No need to insult him/her for not knowing something.

The irony is I actually do know what I'm taking about, and yet this kid thinks he does.

Ken Kutaragi was fired because he shot for the moon with the PS3 design and thus the price started at $500.

 

[Blastoise]

Around $500 was the price I was expecting for both systems. No shocker there.

 

[Iacobellis]

The irony is I actually do know what I'm taking about, and this kid thinks he does.

Ken Kutaragi was never fired by Sony.

 

[BruiserBear]

Ken Kutaragi was never fired by Sony.

lol

Child please. What alternate universe have you been living in? If you want to believe that being asked to step down from your position isn't being fired, you're very naive. He was shown the door in as nice a way as possible, but he was still shown the door.

 

[YodaGoneMad]

And that's just one site.

NeoGaf must count each refresh as a view? Kotaku, Polygon, Gamespot, etc are all showing less than 50K views for the same stories. Does NeoGaf even have a million unique users? Either that or they all linked here so that is like the total number of views. Point still stands, maybe a million people see it, they are all super hardcore, at least half of them don't actually care. It is all peanuts compared to mass media.

Do you think people are going to willfully ignore the fact that Durango might have to be always connected to the internet to work? No. MS can try to skate around that fact all they want but now that we have mainstream media picking up steam on this story, MS needs to defuse this fast before it gets out of hand.



Hear hear.

Yea, people will ignore it if it is compelling. Again, the average user doesn't even know or care what always online means. Just like the guy this thread is about, who is more tech savvy than most and didn't really have any preconceived notion of always online. 5 minutes after the announcement all this coverage won't matter a single bit.

If they're trying for a Wii situation, they've already screwed that pooch in that it's pretty much guaranteed to not be available at a mass-market price. All the "cool" stuff you mention won't mean a hill of beans if people say "$400? SCREW THAT!" And I'm being generous and going $100 less than the rumored price.

And writing off websites as no big deal, considering that it's the most-viewed news source in the modern era of smartphones, is the most myopic thing I've ever read on the internet in MONTHS. Seriously, stop now, my sides already hurt. We're not in the Wii era where the Today Show is going to save your image anymore.

We shall see, I look at those articles and I see view counts of 50K and 35K, etc. You add them all up and they don't amount to anything, especially considering that probably at least half the views don't care or won't even remember it in a week.

 

[Wynnebeck]

The irony is I actually do know what I'm taking about, and yet this kid thinks he does.

Ken Kutaragi was fired because he shot for the moon with the PS3 design and thus the price started at $500.

Uhh Crazy Ken was never fired.

Yea, people will ignore it if it is compelling. Again, the average user doesn't even know or care what always online means. Just like the guy this thread is about, who is more tech savvy than most and didn't really have any preconceived notion of always online. 5 minutes after the announcement

Wait, are you being serious? Something that affects millions of people worldwide is just going to be ignored because it's "compelling"? I don't even know what to say.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Ken Kutaragi was never fired by Sony.

lol

Child please. What alternate universe have you been living in?

ok you two wiki says:

On June 29, 2011, following the reshuffling of management, Sony announced that on June 28, 2011, Kutaragi had stepped down as honorary chairman of SCEI. Kutaragi relinquished active management of the business he created and built into a powerhouse in 2007, when he stepped down as executive Chairman and Group CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment.[18] He has remained at Sony as senior technology advisor.

Now please shhhhh

 

[Aquamarine]

What a shock. More overreaction based on speculation and no proof of anything yet.

This guy isn't lying---there IS rumblings of always-online being a thing development-wise. If you're real friendly with anyone in-the-know from the Durango project, they'll tell you that.

It's just "not proof" because only upper management knows 100% what Microsoft is going to do. But that's just Microsoft trying to keep everyone guessing to minimize leaks.

Remember, everything is on a need-to-know basis.



$500 and $300 isn't confirmed. That's just Thurrott speculating. But May 21st looks like a likely date for MS's new Durango unveiling. Launching the console in November (to match the PS4) is a given.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

lol

Child please. What alternate universe have you been living in?

Ken still works at Sony last I heard

 

[shinra-bansho]

Kutaragi "voluntarily retired."

It's mincing words. He was essentially held accountable for the PS3 debacle and forced out.

 

[Ol No Bones]

You don't think before you post, do you?

Because if this becomes a norm, all of us are screwed. Our rights as consumers are already dwindling down as it is now. If this goes to ahead, we will no longer have access to our purchased games unless we're online. We'll be at the mercy of publishers as to when we can play our games. What a load of BS. I'm not paying $100-$120 (the price of games here in Australia) so I can be told when I can play my games and when I can't.

Its just too early to tell. There is no need to be insulting. Technically this device does not officially exist. I just think people should chill out see what this is and then make a decision.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

lol

Child please. What alternate universe have you been living in? If you want to believe that being asked to step down from your position isn't being fired, you're very naive. He was shown the door in as nice a way as possible, but he was still shown the door.

This is from his Wiki page:

On November 30, 2006, Kutaragi was replaced as President of Sony Computer Entertainment by Kaz Hirai, the President of SCE America. In addition to other management changes, Kutaragi was promoted to chairman of SCEI, and retained his position as chief executive officer of the group.

On April 26, 2007, it was announced that Kutaragi would retire and instead take up the role of Honorary Chairman. Taking over his position would be then SCEI president and CEO Kaz Hirai, who would eventually be promoted to president and CEO of Sony

Though I have no idea if he was 'encouraged' to retire.

 

[Orca]

Sounds awfully like someone complaining that people aren't falling in line with this instead of calling MS out on their bull.

Sounds more like he's saying we should wait until some of this is actually announced before getting the pitchforks and torches. People keep acting like all these rumours are ironclad truth, even when they contradict other rumours.

 

[I H8 Memes]

I hope it's all true and I hope this thing bombs harder than the Enola Gay.

 

[Hsieh]

After the PS3 debacle, Kutaragi was "kicked upstairs" where he was promoted to a position with a more impressive title, but less substantially less power. He quit some time later.