KimonoNoNo
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For "broad" I read "compromised".
Sony go for the jugular and undercut them on price also, will complete the circle from PS3 to X360.
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Anandtech: Tech analysis -- PS4 vs Xbox One, PS4/Xbox One's CPU performance
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Sony go for the jugular and undercut them on price also, will complete the circle from PS3 to X360.
I think it will be...a bit thicker? It does seem to be square shaped from top view.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I don't think it was really finalized and they also are holding it back for the sake of keeping people guessing. Or not.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I don't think anybody will be stomping anything this time around. Next gen graphics comparisons should come down to which game looks a little more awesome than another awesome looking game.
ThisWreckage
Banned
First party software on the PS4 is going to look incredible. Their devs are salivating at the thought of all of that memory.
Adding up every number isn't how it works :/
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
And this is why you're going to hear a lot more about the "magic of cloud", because the PS4 is soundly superior in hardware in every way.
This isn't like this HD gen, with Cell in the way or different quantities of RAM requiring workarounds. The PS4 simply has a whole seemingly .6+ jump in specs.
This isn't like this HD gen, with Cell in the way or different quantities of RAM requiring workarounds. The PS4 simply has a whole seemingly .6+ jump in specs.
BibiMaghoo
Member
They did. Many people, myself included, buy what is perceived to be the 'best' hardware, even if in the PS360 gen it didn't really matter in the long run. It still has relevance to people making a purchase.
People want the best they can have for their money. The first thing that defines this is the power of the hardware.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Fixed that for truth.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
The ESram is going to be very busy rendering out 1080p. Also won't the 3 os' also take up some of the 32mb there?
It's not going to save the Xbone from the PS4. But it will help make up for the differences in ram speed.
It's not going to save the Xbone from the PS4. But it will help make up for the differences in ram speed.
They were doing this before. It's not surprising. I'm not a hardware tech person and even I know that's not how it works.
Interfectum
Member
LOL oh man this is going to be a long generation isn't it?
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
The kinnect is exactly why. They don't want to charge $600 for a new system, but they want everyone to have kinnect, so something had to give.
Don't see a reason why the PS4 should be any larger than the first PS3 slim.
when did they say that?!
Get ready to be surprised then, the Xbox One is already bigger than the PS3 phat.
It's 201 Gb/s.. Why not aggregate the one in the name while we are at it
Ol No Bones
Banned
This gen is gonna be tough for me. Price is key. The ps exclusives dont appeal to me at all but I like the hardware decisions but if ms can keep that price low it is an instant buy. Im gonna get both anyway. I always do.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Neither look stand out to me. And I'm sure they'll both be eclipsed by PC promptly. Nothing I've seen from either so far is especially impressive. I imagine PS4 will be the Xbox to the Xbox One's PS2.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
I don't know much about the numbers, but they aren't substantially better than Xbox One.
It looks like a 20% or so increase on paper.
But in actuality isn't it similar to the difference between a GTX 660 and a GTX 670?
Basically that there is a factual difference, but its really rather mild?
It looks like a 20% or so increase on paper.
But in actuality isn't it similar to the difference between a GTX 660 and a GTX 670?
Basically that there is a factual difference, but its really rather mild?
Yes I saw the core related discussion. Given the amount of misinformation in that presentation I wonder if all 8 cores are available or they're just providing calculative power in general and games will still have access to 6.
Pertaining to bandwidth it's pure MS math and is neither sustainable nor is it accurate because the 30GB/s additional bandwidth that puts that figure to over 200GB/s is the one between CPU and GPU and ps4 has the same. So one could easily add another 30 to 176 and call it a day. Arstechnica mentioned this.
Thanks Gamespot.
50% GPU advantage plus the RAM advantage is 20% increase on paper? What am I missing?
Duxxy3
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Both have been eclipsed by PC's already... at least a year ago.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Sorry, should I be thinking the PS4 is going to completely blow away the Xbox One? Because that's realistic? I'm sure it'll be more powerful. I doubt it'll be a huge, substantial difference.
By PCs I mean...my PC
1st Course
Member
No it's like the difference between the 560 Ti (1.2 Tflops) and the GTX 660 (1.9 Tflops). Very big difference.
Beermeister
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First party software on the PS4 will look incredible.
the ESRAMS thingy
You should be thinking with your brain instead of your heart!
You might as well say, going against the fundamental laws of mathematics.
Probably a larger difference due to the optimizations for the 7970m hybrid in the PS4 plus brute force (and memory bandwidth of course). Having said that, we really don't know 'that' much about the One's gpu yet other than the raw numbers.
DerZuhälter
Member
Still haven't seen any sources, say tech-sheets or quotes, about any information out there regarding XboxOne's graphics solution. Also on the manufacturing process.
They said: Xbox One has ~200GB/s bandwidth "across system"
They just add it up to make it big. Aka my car does 90 your 80 our both our cars can reach 170!
Same with DAYUM 5 BILION TRANSISTORS.
Like anyone now uses that for power measurement...
this along with cloud based broader field of view...
I think it is what we expected if MS would deliver worse hardware. Same as Sony didn't boast beside ram at their reveal. Saying nothing like Nintendo would be bad so they just gathered what look like more than PS4 and baaam 5 bilion & 200 "across system"
20% of what ? This gen will be mostly about GPU power (both used low CPUs) and PS4 GPU is 50% more powerfull and has more waaaaay faster ram at disposition.
Difference will be more like Gamecube to Xbox. I think MS will go for 1600x900 as native res and when Sony will use 1920x1080 games on those consoles will look similar
Where are you getting that? GPU-wise it's a 50% increase in the most prominent spec.
The Bookerman
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ESram is a fuckin tiny fraction of the size of the ram the system has.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
It really is an awesome time to be a Sony fanboy. Dat controller design, dat console design, those specs. Regardless of who comes out on top.
Kung Fu Grip
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Did the ROP's stay the same? 16 for XB1 and 32 for PS4?
EDIT- And what about the rumored bump to 2GHz for the PS4 CPU?
EDIT- And what about the rumored bump to 2GHz for the PS4 CPU?
LabouredSubterfuge
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I can't wait until the Xbox One can download RAM.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
I wasn't "getting" anything anywhere. I'm just asking to better understand the differences.
50/33% in compute/tex and 100% (more) in fill, yeah thats not insignificant as your saying.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I thought you were Rieko!
No confirmations of course, but since all the other leaks turned out true, I think it's rather likely. That would even be a 100% difference in fillrate.
Well, you have to have arrived at the 20% number somehow - that's what I meant.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I have no horse in this race. I moved recently and didn't even bring my 360 with me, and my PS3 is under my TV. Granted, it's a Netflix device, but the point stands. I don't especially care which is more powerful. I just don't think it's realistic to imagine the difference being as substantial as you appear to want to believe they will be.
Glass Rebel
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kittoo
Cretinously credulous
How about you read the post just above you. MS is adding everything. Even the 32MB ESRAM is not as fast the whole 8GB that PS4 has. It will have some advantages but it will never diminish the power gap.