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[IHaveCandy]

Neither do i honestly, but as an example, Netflix has done a decent job recently and just bringing back Arrested Development got me tuning into it again. It doesn't take that much.

Would you buy a $400 box to get access to those shows?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

"I'm sure Microsoft will put the start button back in by the launch of Windows 8"

Windows 8's performance speed was fine though

 

[PJV3]

Has anybody seen the OS's running a game/tv/skype together in real time?. The video is just tv and bing isn't it.

 

[AgentP]

The woman in the video clearly states that its abvery early build. Calm down people.

I'm glad the demo on the stage was a better build.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I understand what you are saying, but your original question is why aren't people ok with the Xbox One doing it when they are ok with receivers doing it. The fact is though that the Xbox One won't really be doing what receivers do at all. It can't centralize everything because it won't have enough ports for one simple reason, forget the quality at which it would even do it.

So basically what you get is not a device that centralizes, but really just another link in the chain that isn't necessary. Basically if you are going to do something half-assed, don't do it at all.

I'd be all for something like this is it had a built in tuner and a cable/satellite card slot etc. so I didn't need a separate settop box/DVR.

I'd love a console that could be my gaming machine, my TV Receiver/DVR and my Bluray player as that would unclutter the TV stand and wire mess behind it, save energy from having less devices in standby waiting for a remote signal etc.

But since all this does is let you plug your cable box into it, it doesn't even achieve that end. So I'm with you. I was intrigued by the idea initially, but the execution isn't there.

 

[Paradicia]

Windows 8's performance speed was fine though

And in 8.1, the start button is back.

 

[Portugeezer]

I feel bad for this woman. She looks like her soul has been sucked out after wasting so much time working on something so pointless.

Games journos feeling bad is why we get shitty questions beating around the bush. I understand what you mean, but maybe she likes what she is working on?

For other people you sometimes feel that they are embarrassed to be talking to gaming press because of the backlash against the Xbone reveal by gamers and that Kinect is mostly irrelevant to gaming, but I think Wired is the type of people they would actually enjoy talking to about Kinect.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

Would you buy a $400 box to get access to those shows?

I bought a ps3 cause it played bluray movies and played games. Youd be surprised what people are willing to spend their money on.

 

[BruiserBear]

The same question can be asked about the Xbox One. How often do people (not gamers) buy gaming consoles? How often are gaming consoles free? I think it would be cheaper to up your cable bill a few bucks a month and get a new cable box than to drop $400 on a new console.

Wait, but everyone has been telling me that press conference was "their pitch to the casual audience".

Are you trying to tell me there aren't lots of soccer moms who want to run out this fall and drop $400+ on an Xbox One so they can hook up their cable box to it, so they can watch live TV through it?

 

[watership]

Would you buy a $400 box to get access to those shows?

What if you I told you that you could have both games and additional entertainment features, in one box?

 

[Marty Chinn]

The same question can be asked about the Xbox One. How often do people (not gamers) buy gaming consoles? How often are gaming consoles free? I think it would be cheaper to up your cable bill a few bucks a month and get a new cable box than to drop $400 on a new console.

They buy them pretty frequently. Microsoft has sold 77.2 million of them in the last 8 years and Sony has sold about 77 million as well in the last 7 years. Free? Why are we asking them to be free? People view a cable box as a gateway to their TV, not something they're upgrading constantly. Video game systems are new platforms that get updated and people are conditioned to pay for that upgrade. And again, nobody is buying a game console exclusively for the TV functionality. They're buying a game console and getting additional functionality as a perk. You can't seem to grasp that. Nobody is buying or marketing the TV features as the sole reason to buy the system or even the primary one. The primary reason to get a Xbox One or PS4 is for games, or games and media entertainment. The primary reason to get a new cable box would be to update your cable box. Most people are going to pay for the former, not the latter as proven by the sales figures of this current generation.

I understand what you are saying, but your original question is why aren't people ok with the Xbox One doing it when they are ok with receivers doing it. The fact is though that the Xbox One won't really be doing what receivers do at all. It can't centralize everything because it won't have enough ports for one simple reason, forget the quality at which it would even do it.

So basically what you get is not a device that centralizes, but really just another link in the chain that isn't necessary. Basically if you are going to do something half-assed, don't do it at all.

High end systems chain things all the time, it's how they streamline it. The Xbox One isn't going to centralize everything, but it can centralize all your entertainment through one box with the possible exception, and maybe not, of other game consoles. Using one less input is a method of streamlining, and not having to switch between inputs is a method of streamlining. Having a universal search is a method of streamlining. Having notifications across all your entertainment is streamlining. It does a lot to streamline the experience just like a receiver does.

 

[jim2011]

I think you guys might be wrong about this...

especially with the HDMI in. I have google tv and while the interface is slow it does not affect the quality of the video. It's just passing through the HDMI feed. It's not processing it.

 

[bj00rn_]

I work with UI development professionally, and this seems somewhat familiar. We showed a mock-up of our UI at a big industry exhibition a couple of months ago (not gaming related, so no need to ask) with prototype hardware and crude code. It doesn't run perfect, but it does the job (demonstrates potential). The polish happens at the end after finishing the design-handbook and functionality framework.

This is MS we are talking about, they are good at this. And they know they can't release a staccato UI, wouldn't make sense. The current 360 UI already runs smoother than the gif on a weaker processor, so I wouldn't worry about some premature hiccups. There's a sea of months to polish yet.

 

[Axonometri]

I'd be all for something like this is it had a built in tuner and a cable/satellite card slot etc. so I didn't need a separate settop box/DVR.

I'd love a console that could be my gaming machine, my TV Receiver/DVR and my Bluray player as that would unclutter the TV stand and wire mess behind it, save energy from having less devices in standby waiting for a remote signal etc.

But since all this does is let you plug your cable box into it, it doesn't even achieve that end. So I'm with you. I was intrigued by the idea initially, but the execution isn't there.

A true all in one home theater box? It would never be up to par for me. I'll keep mine in seperate thanks. Especially my receiver!!!

 

[RayMaker]

It's one thing for it to improve, which, by all means, unless they're incompetent, it will..But it's another thing to say this:

Yes the first quote is a statement I agree with and the 2nd is my opinion.

What is your point?

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Ya, it is pretty funny that it's called the X1. I already addressed what you're saying. I'll say it again.

How often do people swap out cable boxes though? How often is it free? How likely is it that every service is going to do it and all 100 million of those people are going to get new boxes?

It doesn't matter if those features become normal on newer boxes, you still have the issues above about distribution of it. People are much more unlikely to upgrade their cable box than they are to buy a game system and take advantage of a feature gained by it. The TV functionality is a perk, not something anyone is going to buy an Xbox 360 exclusively for.

All of the cable boxes and Smart TV's will have some form of voice and/or waggle soon enough... plus with the cable boxes, you can use the DVR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZ-MZ4q_Q4

 

[Horsemama1956]

Makes you wonder how and why someone can get joy out of something like this? Some of the comments are very strange, considering the topic is the UI of a game console.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Honestly, I expect all on-stage demonstrations to be faked to some degree and even more to the point don't blame them at all. It's a half year or so until release....

Well everything at the Sony presser was real time. Played KZ: SF on stage in real time, real demo on ps4 hardware, and then uploaded the footage to FB with the PS4 OS and share button.

 

[Paradicia]

I work with UI development professionally, and this seems somewhat familiar. We showed a mock-up of our UI at a big industry exhibition a couple of months ago (not gaming related, so no need to ask) with prototype hardware and crude code. It doesn't run perfect, but it does the job. The polish happens at the end after finishing the design-handbook and functionality framework.

This is MS we are talking about, they are good at this. And they know they can't release a staccato UI, wouldn't make sense. The current 360 UI runs smoother than the gif, so I wouldn't worry about some premature hiccups. There's a sea of months to polish yet.

You speak a lot of sense, man.

Sadly people will still bash it, because its Microsoft.

 

[IHaveCandy]

They buy them pretty frequently. Microsoft has sold 77.2 million of them in the last 8 years and Sony has sold about 77 million as well in the last 7 years. Free? Why are we asking them to be free? People view a cable box as a gateway to their TV, not something they're upgrading constantly. Video game systems are new platforms that get updated and people are conditioned to pay for that upgrade. And again, nobody is buying a game console exclusively for the TV functionality. They're buying a game console and getting additional functionality as a perk. You can't seem to grasp that. Nobody is buying or marketing the TV features as the sole reason to buy the system or even the primary one. The primary reason to get a Xbox One or PS4 is for games, or games and media entertainment. The primary reason to get a new cable box would be to update your cable box. Most people are going to pay for the former, not the latter as proven by the sales figures of this current generation.

77.2 million non-gamers didn't buy an Xbox 360. You ignored that part of the question. This is supposed to be an argument about appealing to tv viewers, not gamers.

People don't view cable boxes as free.

I understand people likely won't buy it for one feature alone. The point is that one feature is already on it's way to being unneeded in the next couple of years.

 

[Marty Chinn]

All of the cable boxes and Smart TV's will have some form of voice and/or waggle soon enough... plus with the cable boxes, you can use the DVR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZ-MZ4q_Q4

Again, how many people are replacing their cable boxes and Smart TVs at a fast rate? How many of them will be any good? If anything has been shown, TV manufacturers don't stack up against companies who have better experience expertise in these matters when integrating that functionality. Just because they checked off the feature list doesn't mean the quality or experience is the same. Here's a small hint, you can also use your DVR on your Xbox One. People don't seem to understand this. There's a question of how deep the integration goes, but you can still use it.

77.2 million non-gamers didn't buy an Xbox 360. You ignored that part of the question. This is supposed to be an argument about appealing to tv viewers, not gamers.

People don't view cable boxes as free.

I understand people likely won't buy it for one feature alone. The point is that one feature is already on it's way to being unneeded in the next couple of years.

What part of the question? I have always said the Xbox One is not going to be aimed at people who only want to watch TV. Nobody is going to buy one for the sole purpose of the TV functionality. It's an additional perk that you get when you buy the game system. I never ignored it. You can't seem to understand that it's a bonus, not the primary reason. People do view cable boxes as free. They view it as something as they get with their cable/satellite subscription. Many places won't allow you to upgrade on a whim or make you pay for it. How often do you hear of people upgrading their boxes to the latest and greatest? How many get the box for free when they subscribe for service? The answer is none and everyone for their respective questions.

 

[StevieP]

And in 8.1, the start button is back.

It's not. It's. "start metro" button, not a start button

 

[Quadraphonic]

Windows 8's performance speed was fine though

My point was that people saying "It'll be fine by launch" are just the other side of the same coin saying "It'll never change by launch". Both are equally likely.

 

[aeolustl]

They need to do a better job on speech recognition for kinect 2.0, or give money to Nuance. If it cannot distinguish 'eleven' and 'thirteen', that's joke

 

[Kaako]

First thought that came to mind when watching the UI segment of their reveal was "this is definitely staged."

 

[Deleted member 752119]

A true all in one home theater box? It would never be up to par for me. I'll keep mine in seperate thanks. Especially my receiver!!!

Fair point. Receiver would probably have to stay in the mix for surround sound as it's unrealistic to have a console do all that and have all the speaker hook ups etc.

Otherwise, I'm not a big audio/videophile and don't buy top end gear anyway (just midlevel stuff from good companies) so I'm not too concerned about quality loss--seems to matter less in the HDMI digital connection age anyway.

Only drawback is if that hypothetical all in one box died then I couldn't watch tv, game or watch a Bluray, where as with separates if one thing dies at least I can still do the rest as long as the TV and receiver are still working fine.

 

[Gestault]

are you serious? i've had cable. i now have direct. my direct is amazing quality. no lag or slow loading.

My experience with DirectTV was that when you first changed channels, it was slow to react and then there was a second of choppiness, especially during bad weather. I don't assume that's what happened in the video, but it doesn't seem too implausible to me.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Again, how many people are replacing their cable boxes and Smart TVs at a fast rate? How many of them will be any good? If anything has been shown, TV manufacturers don't stack up against companies who have better experience expertise in these matters when integrating that functionality. Just because they checked off the feature list doesn't mean the quality or experience is the same. Here's a small hint, you can also use your DVR on your Xbox One. People don't seem to understand this. There's a question of how deep the integration goes, but you can still use it.

What makes you think you can use DVR functions on the Xbox One? All reports say you can't.

 

[the_sun_king]

Microsoft, you are the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[rothbart]

It works and as it's been said in the video it's still early.

Is this supposed to be backslash?

My problem isn't so much that it's choppy at this early state, it's that Yusef Mehdi stood on stage demoing the Xbone's TV interface, video handling and screen snapping with none of this delay/choppiness that we're seeing in this (presumably) live demonstration that Wired saw and he had the gall to say "Yes, that fast. Did you see how instant that was?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFVptu6QbY&feature=youtu.be&t=9m20s

You don't fake something, or show us your development target and then beg a reaction from the crowd by asking if they saw how instant it was.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

My point was that people saying "It'll be fine by launch" are just the other side of the same coin saying "It'll never change by launch". Both are equally likely.

They also said that it might not even work at all in most areas around the world at launch. (other than US)

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-live-tv-only-available-in-the-us-at-launch

 

[Marty Chinn]

What makes you think you can use DVR functions on the Xbox One? All reports say you can't.

Because there is nothing to prevent you from using it and it's trivial to add IR commands since they're doing it already. Watch the video that this thread is about. You clearly see the DirecTV GUI through the Xbox One.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

My experience with DirectTV was that when you first changed channels, it was slow to react and then there was a second of choppiness, especially during bad weather. I don't assume that's what happened in the video, but it doesn't seem too implausible to me.

Mine DirecTV DVR is still pretty slow in changing channels--especially if they're in different resolutions (i.e. going from a 1080i channel to a 720p channel etc.).

I've heard the newer DVRs are faster though, mine's 3 years old.

 

[ChronoX]

Dat pre-release demo.

 

[Paradicia]

It's not. It's. "start metro" button, not a start button

If that's the case then ill just have to continue using 'Start Menu 8'.

 

[rocK`]

My problem isn't so much that it's choppy at this early state, it's that Yusef Mehdi stood on stage demoing the Xbone's TV interface, video handling and screen snapping with none of this delay/choppiness that we're seeing in this (presumably) live demonstration that Wired saw and he had the gall to say "Yes, that fast. Did you see how instant that was?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFVptu6QbY&feature=youtu.be&t=9m20s

You don't fake something, or show us your development target and then beg a reaction from the crowd by asking if they saw how instant it was.

Right. Why aren't people getting this? I'm not mad that they showed us a video, I'm mad that we got misdirected.

It'd be fine saying 'this is a prerecording, we're working to get us this'

 

[ciridesu]

Again, how many people are replacing their cable boxes and Smart TVs at a fast rate? How many of them will be any good? If anything has been shown, TV manufacturers don't stack up against companies who have better experience expertise in these matters when integrating that functionality. Just because they checked off the feature list doesn't mean the quality or experience is the same. Here's a small hint, you can also use your DVR on your Xbox One. People don't seem to understand this. There's a question of how deep the integration goes, but you can still use it.

What you listed is exactly the problem with MS' strategy. Too few either 1. Have a cable box that is sufficiently fast for the Kinect integration to be even remotely smooth or 2. Care too much to buy an add-on box for their TV 'experience' (why the fuck does TV need to be an experience it's a TV god damnit BUT ANYWAY...).

It's an extremely slow market that's for sure. Time will tell how their renewed focus will go. Again though, I think the TV UI and shit are bound to be relatively minimal in their sales potential, and imo MS should rather attempt to bank on Kinect games etc. I know they will, but focusing is important in marketing. Will see.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Because there is nothing to prevent you from using it and it's trivial to add IR commands since they're doing it already. Watch the video that this thread is about. You clearly see the DirecTV GUI through the Xbox One.

That GUI looks like the channel listing interface they showed at the conference with Comcast. I see nothing that implies DVR functionality. They haven't said it does DVR. Reporters have reported it doesn't do DVR. Why are you assuming it does DVR against all that? DVR isn't something the box just hands over through a passthrough. It has to actually be permitted. And using an IR blaster to get it makes the whole thing pointless if you are going back to the remote for the most used feature of cable boxes.

 

[childplease]

That was slow and buggy ?

That actually looked pretty impressive in the video for an early build.

 

[3rdamention]

I have no problem faking the whole thing on stage, at all..


However, making comments like "see how fast that was, its really that fast" when you are referring to a prerecorded concept video that you are trying to trick an audience into thinking is real time and REAL is pretty disingenuous IMO.. Especially when the OS doesnt really run near that quick in its current state...They never referred to it as a concept OR early build either..They sold it as real..

 

[jerd]

You speak a lot of sense, man.

Sadly people will still bash it, because its Microsoft.

Comments like this are everywhere and I don't understand them at all. In the past two weeks, people seem to be acting like Microsoft is some sort of punching bag that has always been bashed regardless of what they do.

 

[Yagharek]

I was personally impressed with how quick and smooth the ui demonstration was. I was never going to get one but that was impressive.

Now that we know they were lying... well, thats no surprise I guess. Lying about rrod, lying about kinect in live demos for star wars. Really just more of the same bullshit they are known for.

 

[krypt0nian]

-TV, TV, Sports, CoD.

-Hesitant to talk about specs for obvious reasons.

-DRM galore.

-Every executive at the company says something different showing they have no fucking clue what they're doing.

-Lied about Ram bandwidth.

-Got torn apart for the Cloud talk.

-Arrogance has surpassed 2006 Sony ("Everyone has fast internet", "Consumers will buy anything", "We'll kill Sony at E3", "Gamers will choose us at E3").

And now we see this.

-Faked OS demonstration.

Tremendous work MS.

Perfect synopsis of this train wreck so far. How far down does this rabbit hole go?

 

[Justzisguyukno]

Meh, I'm not surprised at all by this. Its not like the truth of how the system will be performing wont be well known by the time it releases.

Then again Wii U had a poorly optimized OS at launch, and I don't recall reading much about it until after it launched...

 

[Marty Chinn]

What you listed is exactly the problem with MS' strategy. Too few either 1. Have a cable box that is sufficiently fast for the Kinect integration to be even remotely smooth or

By what basis is this? People are throwing this around but I don't think they understand that it's a non issue. The slowness is when you change channels and that it can take a second or two before you see the channel change. If you're saying "Watch ESPN" or "Watch Seinfeld", it's just going to change to that channel and you won't really care if takes a second or two.

2. Care too much to buy an add-on box for their TV 'experience' (why the fuck does TV need to be an experience it's a TV god damnit BUT ANYWAY...).

But nobody is doing this or saying that's why they're going to do it. It's going to come down, I want a new game system, what games does it offer and what else does it do. Let's forget TV for a second. If one of the two platforms didn't have Netflix, you can bet someone making a choice might make that a differentiating factor.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

I have no problem faking the whole thing on stage, at all..


However, making comments like "see how fast that was, its really that fast" when you are referring to a prerecorded concept video that you are trying to trick an audience into thinking is real time and REAL is pretty disingenuous IMO.. Especially when the OS doesnt really run near that quick in its current state...They never referred to it as a concept OR early build either..They sold it as real..

Its incredibly idiotic of them to do that especially knowing the fact that there would be real demos done for people afterwards. Sometimes, they can be really dense.

 

[mangochutney]

A quick note to those saying that the console isn't out for months yet so you should expect it to be performing poorly... whilst that may be the case, these things will begin production soon, meaning the OSes and pre-installed apps will need to be locked down in the not too distant future, it isn't like they have until November or whenever it's released to work on it, not to mention time for near final and final QA passes.

Of course they could day one patch the system but that didn't go down so well for Nintendo recently.

The guide seemed OK compared to the speed of TV boxes we have here, just the snap view that was awful.

 

[shinobi602]

Does buttocks on da train actually talk like that or is it on purpose? (Genuine question)

 

[Impeccable]

Does buttocks on da train actually talk like that or is it on purpose? (Genuine question)

Consensus is that it is intentional so it doesn't get quotes around the net.

 

[Rapstah]

Does buttocks on da train actually talk like that or is it on purpose? (Genuine question)

He sometimes slips up and talks normally in sports threads.