He's gotten quite a few things right about next-gen, I'd say he clearly knows things/people.
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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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He's gotten quite a few things right about next-gen, I'd say he clearly knows things/people.
Proelite
Member
Nope. Clocks can only go down at this stage as they try to get acceptable yields.
Releasing useless info such as transistors count but not clock speeds should tell you all.
My DVR has a dedicated iPhone app. I can search the channel guide and set the DVR. With SIRI voice control if I want to be a tool.
I can even use the iPhone as a horrible touchscreen remote if I want!
the last time weaker hardware sold the most systems ? ... Wii. before that ps2 , before that ps1 etc
Oh you. You have lost all cred on this site for all the crap you pulled. Keep drinking that milk.
and woo wee at the damage control up in here. Faking a reveal gets excuses these days I guess
That's the thing. The den (aka, the man cave) is next to my daughters' bedroom. When I game late at night, I have to turn the sound down or use headphones. When playing online, I generally don't use a mic after their bedtime.
So I'm sure as hell not going to sit there yelling at the TV.
Almost every time? Wii over PS60? PS2 over Xcube? DS over PSP?
They werent "undeserving" but certainly weaker systems.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
That's not the question that I asked in the slightest. I said the "better" system and that nobody that won a generation was undeserving.
If this is true... X-box Done
Was the rumor about Sony considering a boost to 2.00GHz credible at all then? The only way they could considering it is if they had some really efficient cooling system in place.
Power has never killed a system. Developers aren't upset by this btw, they can easily scale down. 1080p might not be defacto for Xbone.
Proelite
Member
Jaguar cores tops out at 1.8 ghz.
Did MS release a FLOP spec for the GPU at the reveal? I know the official PS4 spec sheet from its reveal had an actual TFLOP rating in it, but I can't recall reading an official one for the Xbone. If this is the case that's a definite sign that MS is having problems hitting targets with their version of the APU right now.
Yes but they were deserving. I personally don't see a system with better quality first party output, better relationship with Indy devs, no charge for online, and a "purely for gaming" console to be considered the worse console this time. Not even including the draconian anti-consumer crap like 24 hour Internet checks.
PJV3
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Angelus Errare
Banned
We're basing all of this on murmurings and rumors. We have no definite proof that they have yield issues or that they've downclocked, which is why I remain optimistic. Obviously if either is true then yea they can only downclock at this point.
TL;DR I refuse to believe until it's in mah face. D:
Aren't they semi-custom?
That's not really the same thing.
3rdamention
Member
Microsoft's revealing of the Kinects TV functions, which were prerecorded and faked, with comments about how fast it worked while it was really not working at all, was an honest portrayal? MS tried to make the OS look snappy and fluid,when in fact.......oh forget it, your argument is awful.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Wait, I thought Proelite was basically confirmed to be a fraud or just some guy guessing. Is he legit?
Oh my god, Thuway if that's true. What a god damn clusterfuck...
Yet you are completely ignoring release date and price, which are arguably much more important. Also, PS2 was extremely powerful at the time, and it can be argued that Wii didn't win the console war via the traditional way (Though Kinect etc allow the same to be repeated).
Yet you are completely ignoring release date and price, which are arguably much more important. Also, PS2 was extremely powerful at the time, and it can be argued that Wii didn't win the console war via the traditional way (Though Kinect etc allow the same to be repeated).
KO!
In a way, we are all thuway. Oh wait, there really is a user thuway. nvm
they're putting quite some emphasis on such a worthless option.
PanicFreak
Member
And pretty soon, you'll be able to tell your Xbox to turn ESPN on!
Angelus Errare
Banned
Not true, you can get jaguar at 2.0GHz, AMD's new Operton X line has a 2.0GHz variant. The problem is the TDP increase from 1.6GHz to 2.0GHz is 66% which is why it's not happening despite what everyone thinks.
I don't get the anger at people questioning the OS.
Fact 1: XBONE OS demo was faked, we did not know this previously
Fact 2: XBONE OS doesn't have good performance now, in fact it is pretty slow and choppy
Fact 3: Microsoft has 6 months to change this
All 3 are true, and some anger at fact 1 due to being deceived is also warranted. Fanboys defending Microsoft just because of fact 3 make no sense.
Fact 1: XBONE OS demo was faked, we did not know this previously
Fact 2: XBONE OS doesn't have good performance now, in fact it is pretty slow and choppy
Fact 3: Microsoft has 6 months to change this
All 3 are true, and some anger at fact 1 due to being deceived is also warranted. Fanboys defending Microsoft just because of fact 3 make no sense.
Absinthian
Neo Member
At least we know Microsoft powerpoint is amazing.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Ah, good to know. Still, pretty shitty news about the Xbox One if true.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Also wouldn't Thuway and ProElite's posts be better relegated to a new thread? That might be newsworthy.
Pound_lb003
Member
Not entirely surprising, but it IS surprising that the frame-rate of the UI is so low when so many resources are set aside for it. You'd expect the pre-release UI to be a bit buggy, but you wouldn't expect a simple UI to be so inefficient, not unless its much earlier along in its development than it should be by this point.
If this is true, it'd seem to at least on its surface, confirm that the X-Bone's software development is fairly early along. If so, I wouldn't expect a lot of gameplay video's at Microsofts E3 event. If everything is fairly early in development, I'd expect lots of target render videos, very short clips, and video taken from purely cinematic scenes.
In short, I'd expect the sort of clips we largely saw at the PS4 event three months ago. Sony probably had a little more to show off, since they seem to be a few months further into development. I'd expect both to talk about established platforms as much as possible though, if only to minimize how much footage they need to display to fill up their time slots.
If this is true, it'd seem to at least on its surface, confirm that the X-Bone's software development is fairly early along. If so, I wouldn't expect a lot of gameplay video's at Microsofts E3 event. If everything is fairly early in development, I'd expect lots of target render videos, very short clips, and video taken from purely cinematic scenes.
In short, I'd expect the sort of clips we largely saw at the PS4 event three months ago. Sony probably had a little more to show off, since they seem to be a few months further into development. I'd expect both to talk about established platforms as much as possible though, if only to minimize how much footage they need to display to fill up their time slots.
Proelite
Member
Nope, it's still unfounded.
MS didn't lie. You need to understand that this was a demo. Did you know that the xbox 360 games at E3 2005 were buggy, framey and running on MAC pros? Did MS lie? Was it a falsification? They're still making the damn things. It was probably running on a bunch of high end dev units used to overcompensate for the software bugs.
The product isn't done yet. It was a demo. Really, this is how things work dude.
fuzzy.dunlop
Banned
isn't it a little too late to do that? aren't $1 billion worth of games (plus 3rd party games) already in development?
Justzisguyukno
Member
People grilled the Wii U for having a shitty OS, and now we see that the XBone might also have some OS issues of its own.
I also don't think we've seen any real time footage of the PS4 OS in action either... wonder why..
E3 couldn't come any sooner.
I also don't think we've seen any real time footage of the PS4 OS in action either... wonder why..
E3 couldn't come any sooner.
IHaveCandy
Banned
It's lying since they tried to sell it as a real live demo. They even said they were using a Comcast feed.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
She has learnt from her elite tv days. That and she has a really good relationship that she doesn't want to fuck up by showing clunge on national TV.
#ICanDoInsiderInfoToo
Crimson_Gold
Member
there's about 6 months to adjust to this. Don't forget the infinite cloud. The cloud will fix all of this...
Insane Metal
Member
As Proelite put it, that could be the reason why they never released GPU specs, only transistors count and other bullshit. Goddamn, Microsoft.
Proelite
Member
Perf tweaking is the easiest and last thing to do in development.
We're not talking about the ram or clocks being halved.
While that is true, PS4 might not only be cheaper or equal in pricing, but also release first. Further, Sony stands as a white knight for gamers currently. I mean, at this point there might be not a single reason to buy a box unless you're hardcore into their first party (or have problems with using a remote). Kinect 2.0 in combination with the Occulus Rift is the only thing that might be interesting, and Kinect 2.0 can be used on Pc (or so I heard).
1080p60 vs 720p60 or 720p60 vs 720p30 is HUGE.
I dont think we'll see a 720p game on the PS4.
Especially when that was the thing that non gaming tech sites really zeroed in on.. just how fast the UI was and how quickly the voice recognition was. Microsoft should really be put on blast for this, it's the exact same stunt they pulled with the original Kinect reveal.
EdibleExplosives
Member
She has learnt from her elite tv days. That and she has a really good relationship that she doesn't want to fuck up by showing clunge on national TV.
#ICanDoInsiderInfoToo
Buckby insider knowledge is best insider knowledge.
What? Of course we will.