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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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You're from Holland? A lot of Dutchies on Neogaf. (Not me though).
So XB1 has 2.5 OS now?
Good points, well made. However this shakes out I think the possible disparity involved could put 3rd parties in a genuinely tricky situation when direct comparisons are drawn to devs fully pushing the more powerful machine. Much like when PC is lead. It might even mean increased second party and/or one off exclusives trickles here and there. Or maybe just a renaissance of art style over realism (where the differences wouldn't be anywhere near as noticeable). It's certainly going to be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
amstradcpc
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No, it is in theory easier to manufacture than EDRAM in smaller nodes due to not having capacitors and above all, due to not depending on others to do it ( IBM, NEC...).
she landed on her back, a few bruises and tears and nothing more.
It Was stupid from the guy though, he must be really sensitive to get a drink splashed on him lol
Always-honest
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Ja meneer.
Radical_Ed
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The DME are another part of the silicon commonly accepted as true. Digital Foundry, for example, assumes that it's there although aren't part that big complex SoC with yields problems. They are there to fix the low bandwidth of the system and if this rumour is true they are more needed than ever. The less powerful the X1 gets the more it needs to be more efficient than the PS4.
Worst comes to the worst they'll delay it...honestly £99/$99 360 with one or two exclusives this xmas will be enough for MS.
That then gives them time to delay the X1 until just before the MS new financial and at least helps them gets some time to fire Marc Whitten and takes some control and rethinks the device.
Different fab process (or foundry) is what I vaguely remember reading once.
Can Crusher
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I don't understand how someone who is clearly mentally challenged is allowed to run a company the size of MS.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah unlike some of the info we had that was quite old all this stuff has been coming out only recently and only get reconfirmed over and over.
People should have seen this coming though when MS didn't announce anything about the GPU and instead focused on the transistors which was ridiculous. They are using misdirection and dropping random spec info in a attempt to make casuals think "Wow 5 Million Transistys is a lot!!" They very likely won't be revealing the specifics of the GPU even at E3 and take a page out of Nintendo and keep that stuff under wraps.
michaelius
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Is it impossible to design it with redundancy so you can disable part with defunct transistor ?
Truth. This post has it.
dragonelite
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He keeps Microsoft stable as far as i know.
Diprosalic
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They could call it the Xbox U Edition.
Unfortunately it's not. There are performance issues. In some cases, its quite significant.
I don't doubt that they're there, just that they're not really a distinguishing feature because DMA is a standard part of any modern architecture.
They may have an LZ77 codec and a jpeg decoder, but I don't know that that is going to make a huge difference.
I dunno. They're there for a reason, of course, and they'll make something of an impact... but they're not going to help a drop from 1.2 to 0.9/0.8 TFLOPS. You can move data around as fast as you like, but it's not going to change the throughput of your GPU.
I'm just skeptical, the whole Data Move Engine thing reeks of PR BS.
MS still make a lot of money under Ballmer even if it's obvious that it's total short-termism. He's no Howard Stringer.
The OP needs to be updated because Gopher is also an insider. I guess the only one's left in the wood work are CBoaT and Lherre.
lol
I think he should come out on stage dressed like a WWF wrestler. That would be awesome!
He could do a diving elbow drop from some step ladders on to a PS4.
CosmicGroinPull
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Can Crusher
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MS would even make a lot of money under me playboy, and I know dick shit about business. Aside from common sense.
Bkillian was right, the new Xbox team turned the product into the next Kin.
The Jason
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I was reading the gametrailers/youtube comments on the reveal video, and many were 'yep same specs as PS4, 8 core CPU, 8GB RAM'
Pretty ridiculous
LabouredSubterfuge
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Most interesting.
Radical_Ed
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Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Another confirmation. I'm fascinated to see how this turns out.
The bird has spoken.
Pristine_Condition
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No, they do it all the time for DRAM, and I'd assume they could do it for eSRAM too. It's called Error-Correcting Code memory, but it comes at a cost of a LOT more transistors, and the cost of...well, a lot more cost. If you're building a cruise missile or a supercomputer, it makes sense. For a console, not so much.
EDIT: and if the problem really is a timing issue, adding more transistors would only exacerbate the problem.
Damn, at this point I it'll take it as "confirmed".
Playsation_
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If you do stupid things, other bad things will happen to you. Stupidity is one of the leading causes of death nowadays.
Seriously, that could have been bleach, or acid in that cup. Never know.
Templar_Dante
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Either way, weather or not its downclocked, 1St party games will still make Xbone great, right? Didnt the Wii survive pretty well last gen...
If heat is a factor in the problem, I suggest they call Nancy Tellum to Engineering quick, she'll hook them up with a watercooler for the watercooler
If heat is a factor in the problem, I suggest they call Nancy Tellum to Engineering quick, she'll hook them up with a watercooler for the watercooler
isn't more transistors better? 5 Billion > 3 Billion
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Deadly Cyclone
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This is where I'm confused, it sounds like these "rumors" just came from a Gaf discussion in the other thread? How does anyone on Gaf have that insider knowledge?
maabus1999
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They could but the older models would be the lowest common denominator from a development standard still.
MSFT won't ship with a downclocked chip that will be upgraded later. Makes zero business sense.
If there are yield issues, they will bin the chips and (console) supply will be low until yields are fixed. That is the ONLY thing that will happen if any of this is true.
EDIT: I'm not buying these insider rumors from anybody at this time as they are too outlandish. At best, there is some small tidbits of facts, like yield issues in the first steppings, that are being extrapolated and / or opinionated into what is going on.
Same. He's progressively tanked Microsoft and it's stock. I know people will say the stock is on a high right now, but so is most stock, since it's false comfort and boom coming off the back of a great recession.
They also mentioned 768 operations per cycle, is compatible 768 opc with a frequency downgrade?
amstradcpc
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Imagine for a moment if Sony wouldn´t have gone finally with 8GB of RAM. The MS marketing campaign with the 8 in capitals everywhere...
Not anymore baby! It's ADVERTISERS, ADVERTISERS, ADVERTISERS!
dragonelite
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Too late better suck up the damages and take on the 3rd gen console curse and rise again like a shining phoenix like sony with ps4.
With all the virtualisation i wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a new box within 3 years.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Now you too? This is going to get interesting.
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