It was a great RPG and was a harbinger of the death of world maps all at the same time.
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Speculation: Could Cerny Lead Sony's Secret JRPG Project (1st Party Answer to FF)?
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It was a great RPG and was a harbinger of the death of world maps all at the same time.
An anime-based (like the ones you mention) or inspired (like Tales) RPG would be nice for Japan and the niche audience in west that would care about it, but nothing grand. A more Final Fantasy-like approach would have a more international appeal and would also be more in-line with Sony's ecosystem IMO. Especially if it was marketed as well as many recent Sony games (Uncharted, Journey, Last of Us), I think it could start something new and big.
Tawney Bomb
Member
This is a Legend of Dragoon sequel thread, right?
I'd also settle for Dark Cloud 3.
DarkLordMalik
Member
They are already working on a PS4 game
http://www.gamespot.com/news/professor-layton-developer-level-5-starts-work-on-ps4-game-6406695
And how are they dating Nintendo. Their platform of choice is 3DS due to its popularity in Japan. They haven't released anything meaningful for the Wii U.
Kageshinzo
Member
So, anyone have any idea when GAF will stop with the Cerny circlejerking?
Cerny isn't leading it. Plus, he's likely going to be very busy with various things. I'd be surprised if he had the time to be leading such a big project.
I think people are underestimating the potential of a JRPG too. Mind you, when I say JRPG (a term I've pretty much picked up from GAF), I don't mean teenagers, and childlike characters, with ridiculously cartoonish settings or something. If you're going to make a big investment, you're going to keep in mind the worldwide audience also. And on that note, I feel there is too much of a divide between WRPG and JRPG. You have one aesthetic which seems suck to a very traditional medieval time, and the other which is somewhere on Venus 2.0 with rainbows and dolls. Fantasy has a huge amount of history, culture, mythology to draw from. There is a balance where you can provide something aesthetically striking, and imaginative, without going to crazy extremes.
Fantasy allows some very unique things.
I think you'll find some experiments upcoming from SCE.
They have already established big hits in stuff like Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, and then there are other franchises which, whilst not huge, are safe and profitable like Killzone. The Last of Us looks like something that could end up being a big franchise for SCE as it's doing really well.
You'll get your Gran Turismo, Uncharted, a different God of War, and even safe entries like Killzone which aren't mega-successful but make money.
Obviously, FPS hasn't exactly worked out the way it was supposed to, but other stuff like the entry to third person shooters (Uncharted), action (God of War), and platformers (LBP) has. Allowing expansions of teams and talent is to try and grab a slice of different pies. There is no reason why you can't venture into action/adventure territory with something like The Order, or other titles, and still try something in open world or RPG territory too. There is money to be made in these genres clearly. It's better to try when you have big franchises supporting you already than when everything begins to die down. Then the stakes become too high.
Plus, they've tried dumber experiements in the past. If anything, this is a smarter use of money with more long-term prospects.
I think people are underestimating the potential of a JRPG too. Mind you, when I say JRPG (a term I've pretty much picked up from GAF), I don't mean teenagers, and childlike characters, with ridiculously cartoonish settings or something. If you're going to make a big investment, you're going to keep in mind the worldwide audience also. And on that note, I feel there is too much of a divide between WRPG and JRPG. You have one aesthetic which seems suck to a very traditional medieval time, and the other which is somewhere on Venus 2.0 with rainbows and dolls. Fantasy has a huge amount of history, culture, mythology to draw from. There is a balance where you can provide something aesthetically striking, and imaginative, without going to crazy extremes.
Fantasy allows some very unique things.
No reason why we can't have both.
I think you'll find some experiments upcoming from SCE.
They have already established big hits in stuff like Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, and then there are other franchises which, whilst not huge, are safe and profitable like Killzone. The Last of Us looks like something that could end up being a big franchise for SCE as it's doing really well.
You'll get your Gran Turismo, Uncharted, a different God of War, and even safe entries like Killzone which aren't mega-successful but make money.
Obviously, FPS hasn't exactly worked out the way it was supposed to, but other stuff like the entry to third person shooters (Uncharted), action (God of War), and platformers (LBP) has. Allowing expansions of teams and talent is to try and grab a slice of different pies. There is no reason why you can't venture into action/adventure territory with something like The Order, or other titles, and still try something in open world or RPG territory too. There is money to be made in these genres clearly. It's better to try when you have big franchises supporting you already than when everything begins to die down. Then the stakes become too high.
Plus, they've tried dumber experiements in the past. If anything, this is a smarter use of money with more long-term prospects.
I know this isn't the place, but u hear anything for tlg? We getting anything on tgs?
Byakuya769
Member
Legend of Dragoon thread? I'm OK with this.
Wait, was he also involved with this?
I was told something five months ago which was fantastic news. I've heard something just now which is a bit different but I'd need to verify it to ensure it's not just a misunderstanding. So, until I double check, nothing to say about when they'll show it. It's alive and progressing well though.
Hooflung128
Banned
That would make me happy in the pants.
dragonbane
Member
Well at least something. We might actually get it at some point wow.
Hooflung128
Banned
If it is demon souls 2 who would actually be making it? From Software or internal First party? I don't know if another team could really recreate the magic FS has and not want to make it into a monster hunter combat meets shadow of the colossus art game. At the core demons souls is about the combat mechanics.
Dragon1893
Member
Well, if you want to beat FF might as well beat it while it's down.
One of my favourite games on the PS2. Please Level-5 make it reality.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Interesting.
Either way, I hope JRPG 2 is turn-based, at least to some extent. Or Dark Cloud 3.
Why are you being so defensive about the use of a metaphor? "Dating Nintendo" just means Level 5 has been developing a lot for Nintendo systems, and is that not correct? Should I have said "Level 5 is casually dating Nintendo" because that would clarify the relationship in the metaphor?
Since Level 5 isn't a first party developer, I'd be more doubtful about whether or not they are actually developing a game for PS4, especially since Hino says in the article that it is only in the planning stages (aka hasn't started real development, in April 2013). Games get cancelled very easily.
What do you mean by "GAF"? Do you mean by a select few posters on the forum who have recently appreciated the massive strides Sony has made with consumer relations by putting forward incredibly affable individuals that represent our tastes and desires like Cerny and Boyes, or some nebulous hive mind that doesn't exist except in the fevered imaginations of the paranoid? And if you mean what I said, why does it matter? Miyamoto, Iwata, Allard, Cerny... these are people who either had a hand in some of favorite game products or systems and they also seem to be generally tuned into the things we like. What's wrong with appreciating that? Sure, if it becomes a fanboy thing, it's annoying, but you can just refute those people on a case-by-case basis.
hydrophilic attack
Member
This thread is crazy.
Obviously Cerny wouldn't be doing this. You don't think being the lead architect of PS4 and director of Knack is more than enough for one man already? And besides, he doesn't have any experience in making RPGs, to my knowledge. The only "evidence" in support of the theory is that he mentioned Final Fantasy VII. Really?
And replies are crazy too. People requesting sequels to stuff like Rogue Galaxy and Legend of Dragoon? Yeah, I don't know about you guys, but I think it would be much smarter to invest their money into a game that is not a sequel to some of the shittiest games ever made, but hey that's just me.
Anyway, I'm excited for an RPG from SCEJ. I just hope it turns out better than most of their previous attempts at internal development of RPGs (Demon's Souls excluded obviously).
I hope for a new IP personally (as well as a Demon's Souls successor developed by FROM).
Obviously Cerny wouldn't be doing this. You don't think being the lead architect of PS4 and director of Knack is more than enough for one man already? And besides, he doesn't have any experience in making RPGs, to my knowledge. The only "evidence" in support of the theory is that he mentioned Final Fantasy VII. Really?
And replies are crazy too. People requesting sequels to stuff like Rogue Galaxy and Legend of Dragoon? Yeah, I don't know about you guys, but I think it would be much smarter to invest their money into a game that is not a sequel to some of the shittiest games ever made, but hey that's just me.
Anyway, I'm excited for an RPG from SCEJ. I just hope it turns out better than most of their previous attempts at internal development of RPGs (Demon's Souls excluded obviously).
I hope for a new IP personally (as well as a Demon's Souls successor developed by FROM).
I see it more as an unsung hero FINALLY getting his due. Would love if this turned out to be true.
To all the people saying that RPGs ain't popular anymore - part of what made the PS1 and PS2 so successful, are that they had very diverse libraries filled with every genre imaginable. Maybe RPGs don't sell as much as random cover shooter #9392 nowadays, but the mainstream console gaming market is shrinking and I have a feeling it's because people are starting to get tired of shooter after shooter and want "something different". I've talked to quite a few people who were telling me how much they miss classic RPGs on consoles, if Sony markets this well it could be big.
Besides, who is to say that what was popular in the past can't be popular again? One of the best selling albums of the summer is a modern-day disco/funk album for gods sakes.
And obligatory: PLEASE BE A NEW WILD ARMS OR ARC THE LAD GAME
metalslimer
Member
After how terrible Knack looks....eh... he can stick to making nice hardware
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
It's getting pretty ridiculous. The guy basically followed MS's lead with how they developed the 360. He's also kind of obnoxious in the self-aggrandizing way.
^ lol @ how transparent some people are. Salvor.Hardin of all people saying people are being over-the-top with their fanboyism; remarkable. Of course after spending months being all bitter at how mean GAF was over Xbox One, I'm sure they're just begging for some relief.
The topic said COULD Cerny lead Sony's secret JRPG program, not if he actually is doing it. It was using Cerny's quote about wanting to make an epic RPG before FFVII to show he has some interest in the genre, not to show "evidence" of actual secret work he's doing. The premise of the topic seems actually to be if there's any chance he could do it, more directly.
None of that is crazy.
Because obviously they don't consider them some of the shittiest games ever made.
The topic said COULD Cerny lead Sony's secret JRPG program, not if he actually is doing it. It was using Cerny's quote about wanting to make an epic RPG before FFVII to show he has some interest in the genre, not to show "evidence" of actual secret work he's doing. The premise of the topic seems actually to be if there's any chance he could do it, more directly.
None of that is crazy.
Because obviously they don't consider them some of the shittiest games ever made.
Chocolate & Vanilla
Fuck Strawberry
Legend of Dragoon thread? I'm OK with this.
I really don't understand the love for this game.
Dragon1893
Member
What's funny is that Cerny was unknown to a huge part of gaf until the PS4 reveal. I remember a thread here the next day where a vast majority admitted not knowing him which blew my mind.
Now a few months later people are complaining about the god status he has on gaf lol.
Anyway, I doubt he's involved in this (assuming it even exists), the man is kinda busy.
Now a few months later people are complaining about the god status he has on gaf lol.
Anyway, I doubt he's involved in this (assuming it even exists), the man is kinda busy.
god I would kill for that. Who actually owns the rights to Marble Madness anymore?
Awesome.
my roommate and I still play it sometimes. The NES usually freezes right at the final section.
When we were in college together, he had the #2 high score (according to that high score site that doesn't seem to exist anymore.... Twin Cities or Cloud City or something???) edit: Twin GALAXIES and it still exists apparently...
hydrophilic attack
Member
OK, there is a chance, but it's infinitesimal. Because it would be a very bad idea. Hell, I fantasized about making an RPG as a kid with my friends. Doesn't mean it would make sense to give me millions of dollars to do it.
OK, if you like the games it's obviously not stupid to want a sequel. I guess what boggles my mind is how anyone could like these games in the first place.
You are no stranger to this kind of hyperbole yourself 
As I said, we should hope for new IP instead.
I think Cerny, if he got the right team, could absolutely lead them to make a high quality RPG. Not to sound HERO WORSHIPPY - because I don't do that sort of thing - but he really is an extremely talented, multifaceted individuals who can potentially be successful at anything given the right conditions. That doesn't mean it'd make sense to do it, of course.
People are dissing on Knack, but I haven't played it.
OK, if you like the games it's obviously not stupid to want a sequel. I guess what boggles my mind is how anyone could like these games in the first place.
As I said, we should hope for new IP instead.You are no stranger to this kind of hyperbole yourself
I mean I really hated Legend of Dragoon too, but I understand a lot of people could deal with the issues it had (load times, for example, holy shit), but a lot of those issues could easily be dealt with now. So if they did announce it, I wouldn't automatically shrug it off. I would, however, think it'd be a waste of money... exactly how many PS1 Legend of Dragoon fans are actually around playing games still? I can't imagine it's a huge number. Would be smarter to invest in a new IP and establish a new fanbase, I think.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
If you're incapable of addressing my post without lunging a personal attack, I don't see why you would respond.
Cerny has zero experience with JRPGS other than that thing he tried making with his brother that wasn't FF VII. He's recently only been serving as a consultant which requires completely different talents and skills. That's not to say he isn't highly skilled at what he does. but the decisions he made for the PS4 as chief architect, according to his talks, were highly aimed at pleasing third party developers. He's mostly worked in small teams on smaller projects, and nothing suggests that he would be interested in the time consuming process of creating an FF rival.
Now we have a thread about the possibility of Cerny taking on FF by heading a JRPG? And you honestly don't consider that to be fanboyism? Or are you just disgruntled that I don't mind the One while simultaneously holding the position that only a fanboy would think Cerny is capable of achieving certain ridiculous milestones, especially when his experience doesn't at all speak to such endeavors?
What is it? Because right now you just seem a tad bit butt hurt.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I agree with all of this
Edit: Although LoD had more issues than purely technical ones.
Pound_lb003
Member
I don't think you understand what a consultant is.
Arguably a consultant is a contractor, in this circumstance anyway. So... He is on the team adding value in whichever way the company sees fit, and Cerny is capable of.
Judging the talks, his history and the public information available, I'd say his skillset is production/scheduling and low-level/rendering programming related. So... Equally as applicable to RPG's, as it is to adventure games.
I'm just saying, if you're going to decry some specific level of fanboyism, it only makes sense to point out that you've been busy bitching about GAF's reaction to Xbox One since May 21. However, if this is not something important to you, then maybe your initial comment should have been aimed more about the premise (like your post below) than some people's supposed exaltation of an individual. I mean, who gives a shit about that, really?
I agree, nothing indicates it. And Verendus said he's not. The thread was speculating if he could do it. That said, everybody has zero experience until the exact moment they have more than zero, and given Cerny's ability to transform to the demands of the tasks given to him throughout the industry so far, there's zero reason to try to claim he'd be out of his league on a jRPG. I'm sure if he wanted to, he could do it.
But he doesn't seem to want to, and Verendus said he's not, so it's just pointless conjecture on my part.
No, I don't consider it fanboyism. Exactly how does somebody become a fanboy of Cerny anyway? What is the line before you're labeled like that? If you post positive things about Cerny, is that a fanboy? If you think, given his recent rise in stature, that you've looked over his work and think he's suitable for something else, is that fanboyism?
Edit: Which is not to say you can't be a fanboy of these people (deal with fanboys long enough you see every type of worship), but I just don't know where the line is, and this certainly doesn't feel like it.
SilentFlyer
Member
Awesome indeed. Looking forward to it.
One more thing,I posted in other thread, posting here again. If you can't answer, no problem.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=68162741&postcount=44
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Have there been any big budget Western-developed JRPG-style games that weren't seriously flawed? Shadow Madness was dreadful, Septerra Core had serious balance problems, and Anachronox was well-written but had tedious gameplay (although it's improved since launch thanks to the fan-patches) and had a rushed ending (I believe they were running out of money near the end of development).
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I'm just saying, if you're going to decry some specific level of fanboyism, it only makes sense to point out that you've been busy bitching about GAF's reaction to Xbox One since May 21. However, if this is not something important to you, then maybe your initial comment should have been aimed more about the premise (like your post below) than some people's supposed exaltation of an individual. I mean, who gives a shit about that, really?
Have I really been bitching about GAF's reaction to the One? I mean, I've bitched about the DRM policies myself. And when they were reversed I was pretty happy. I've praised the PS4 a lot. I don't really spend time following other member posts, but you seem to think you have. Perhaps I've forgotten some post that could be construed as bitching about gaf's reaction? Feel free to post anything of the kind from my post history.
Excellent question. Perhaps it's one you should consider before suggesting that I'm a fanboy?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This is the opposite of what I or anyone else has noticed of Cerny.
I guess everyone should follow the lead of folks like Mattrick.
This guy has been around for longer than almost anyone involved on either MSFT''s or Sony's people and doesn't come off with any arrogance. He's also really smart when it comes to not just making games but the technical aspects.
Kageshinzo
Member
I don't know about select individuals as I really don't keep track of who says what but I have noticed in recent weeks, probably after E3, how there's been a marked increase in Cerny fellating in threads that I stumble in every now and then. People proclaiming how he's a god, how he can do no wrong, how he's awesome, etc. And it's surprising because before the PS4 E3 showing and Xbone curbstomping, no one seems to care he exists, or at least not to this kind of fevered worship. Is it because of the PS4's specs? It's certainly not its actual performance as it's not out yet. I can only attribute it to the Sony goodwill that has happened lately. Even then, this whole Cerny worship has become annoying to me.
If you're asking whether are plans for big reveals, then there aren't. Media is coming as normal at the moment, which means mostly existing stuff you know about, articles, previews of the hardware etc. They'll probably trickle some minor news about services and other things but that's it. The big news will come at Gamescom; that's the next big event to prepare for.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You're just going to have to live with it. I can't really think of much bad to say because you know, there isn't much bad to say about a guy like Cerny.
In other words, deal with it.
I just keep people in mind when I spend time on the forum. That said, I don't give a shit if you're a fanboy. I don't give a shit if anybody is fanboy. I only give a shit about that when people try to pretend they're not fanboys, even though they quite clearly are. However, the premise of this topic is such that those types of comments are really unnecessary. Which is why I made the comment I did.
Kageshinzo said:
Well, obviously it's going to seem louder now - after February, he is headlining one of Sony's most important projects. Naturally that's going to cause a rise in stature
