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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
- Thread starter enzo_gt
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Sentinel is still balanced by his humongous hit box and everyone getting instant overheads on him. Now he just doesn't get demolished by 90% of characters in the game.
Shit man MSS in this game is going to be ABSURD. We MVC2 now.
I think I am done here, I like all the changes listed. Everyone else is free to make inputs.
Shit man MSS in this game is going to be ABSURD. We MVC2 now.
I think I am done here, I like all the changes listed. Everyone else is free to make inputs.
Karsticles
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Sentinel with tracking Double Typhoon assist.
So where are we now?
Secret patch note:
Zero and Sentinel may not be on the same team because they are both robots.
Karsticles
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But I'm hungry now.
It's not like they're off the table if people have more comments.
Plus, when we're all done with our rough draft, I want to open us up for a 1 week period where anyone can bring up anything. At the end of the week (next weekend, hopefully), the committee will all get together and take final votes.
I'm still open to taking some of those Helm Breaker nerfs off. I don't think it only canceling into teleports is necessarily fair, since it's his ONLY safe move.We are at fine tuning these characters, get some final thoughts then move on to the next batch if people are up to it.
And the more all these characters get buffed the worse Vergil looks with all his nerfs...
Alright man, next characters:
X 23
Dr Strange
Akuma
Strider
On Vergil I think the Helm Breaker change should just be he can't cancel into S. The rest of the moves are still punishable on chicken block and that's the one I have the most issue with.
Tomorrow is the last day for characters. I will release them all at once (not many left really).
X 23
Dr Strange
Akuma
Strider
On Vergil I think the Helm Breaker change should just be he can't cancel into S. The rest of the moves are still punishable on chicken block and that's the one I have the most issue with.
Tomorrow is the last day for characters. I will release them all at once (not many left really).
Karsticles
Member
How many are left after this? Let's see...Amaterasu, Felicia, Magneto, Spencer, Spider-man, and Viewtiful Joe. So 6 more.
X-23:
*Ankle Slice start up time reduced to 35 frames.
*Rage Trigger now causes a soft knockdown.
*Weapon X Prime causes a hard knockdown.
Assists: Crescent Scythe H, Ankle Slice, Neck Slice (Charged)
Strider:
*Vajra (assist) hitbox reduced slightly.
*Legion travel time improved.
*Legion projectiles are now high priority.
Assists: Vajra, Formation A1, Gram H
Dr. Strange:
*Eye of Agamotto and Daggers of Denak no longer make him prone until landing.
*Mystic Sword L bottom hitbox increased.
*Spell of Vishanti hitstun increased; it is now always safe on hit.
*c.L now hits low.
*Eye of Agamotto projectile hit points changed to 10x5; lasts 300 frames; startup reduced by 5 frames; hitstun increased slightly.
*Dagger of Denak tracking improved slightly.
Assists: Bolts of Balthakk, Eye of Agamotto, Dagger of Denak L
Akuma:
*Gohadoken can now be canceled into Demon Flip.
Assists: Tatsumaki Zankyaku M, Gohadoken H, Goshoryuken H
Karsticles
Member
Suggest something particular then, please.
Karsticles
Member
Like you want full combos off of Raging Demon?
I'd rather give Akuma the tools to justify his health. He does sick damage and has a ton of options at his disposal.
You have to give A LOT of tools to make him justify that health. He's in the same health bracket as Strider so he has to be at least that good.
His normals suck, his air mobility is alright at best, his mix up game is decent at best. Only thing he has over Strider is damage.
His normals suck, his air mobility is alright at best, his mix up game is decent at best. Only thing he has over Strider is damage.
I'd rather keep Akuma's high assist than getting a mediocre fireball assist.
8 frame beam alone is strong
Much better hypers and DHCs too.
8 frame beam alone is strong
Same here. The assist also OTGs. Not that anyone is going to pick anything except Tatsu.
You should also be able to cancel has SRK into Demon Flip.
Karsticles
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SRK assist or Fireball assist?
biosnake20
Member
I agree with more time to follow up after demon. Also Demon should do 500k damage. His health should be 800-825k. Also the teleport should be improved somehow. Why isn't it used that much?
Karsticles
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SRK x Demon Flip would be absurd. Any time anyone got close, Akuma would have no reason to not DP them. Buffing Raging Demon to give it post-grab combos would require a HUGE damage nerf on the move, and it would still be better than every other command grab in the game. Remember that Raging Demon does 510K damage; it's the highest level 3 in the game that has no extenuating circumstances.
Akuma:
*Gohadoken can now be canceled into Demon Flip.
*Hyakkishu L x Hyakki Gojin (assist) now has 36 frames of startup.
*Messatsu-Gohado Ungyo (air) can now be X-Factor canceled into Messatsu-Gohado Ungyo or Agyo.
*Health increased to 850,000.
Assists: Tatsumaki Zankyaku M, Gohadoken H, Hyakkishu L x Hyakki Gojin
Akuma:
*Gohadoken can now be canceled into Demon Flip.
*Hyakkishu L x Hyakki Gojin (assist) now has 36 frames of startup.
*Messatsu-Gohado Ungyo (air) can now be X-Factor canceled into Messatsu-Gohado Ungyo or Agyo.
*Health increased to 850,000.
Assists: Tatsumaki Zankyaku M, Gohadoken H, Hyakkishu L x Hyakki Gojin
Do it now so I can add the changelog as the second post.
I mean its a beam versus a combable LVL3, Orbs and a safe DHC. The orbs alone make Strider what he is... a top 3 anchor. There isn't anything in Akuma's toolset that brings the terror like Orbs.
Who cares about doing too much damage from Raging Demon? If you get hit by that you should be dead anyway. If anything Raging Demon should be buffed to 750K damage.
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Cool. X-23 time. Probably going overkill here, but here goes:
Would really like some better options for super jump confirms. Her grab game in general is pretty poor as a lot of follow-up options are either non-existent or very situational. More untechable time could help. More air options would also really be cool. Being able to cancel Crescent Scythe L into Falling Claw feels like something that intuitively should work (Really want this one). Some extra hitstun on her normals could make her feint loop combos more viable for people with less than anime game tier execution.
Feint move M feels like it should get some invincibility frames like Cap's somersault and Frank's roll. Not Berserker Slash level, but something that could help get her through projectiles as right now she gets zoned out a bit too easily. The general health buff probably helps her too. Her slice charges could be a bit faster and I don't know how to make the command grab more viable, maybe it's fine the way it is now. Damage wise she's fine, but her high damage combos either require assists or god tier execution, but I wouldn't buff damage as the current output fits her archetype well.
Would really like some better options for super jump confirms. Her grab game in general is pretty poor as a lot of follow-up options are either non-existent or very situational. More untechable time could help. More air options would also really be cool. Being able to cancel Crescent Scythe L into Falling Claw feels like something that intuitively should work (Really want this one). Some extra hitstun on her normals could make her feint loop combos more viable for people with less than anime game tier execution.
Feint move M feels like it should get some invincibility frames like Cap's somersault and Frank's roll. Not Berserker Slash level, but something that could help get her through projectiles as right now she gets zoned out a bit too easily. The general health buff probably helps her too. Her slice charges could be a bit faster and I don't know how to make the command grab more viable, maybe it's fine the way it is now. Damage wise she's fine, but her high damage combos either require assists or god tier execution, but I wouldn't buff damage as the current output fits her archetype well.
Been a bit busy today, but here's my changes for Strider:
+ Hyper Damage scaling changed from 30% to 50%.
+ Legion no longer random with one set pattern. Each animal of Legion has 1 high durability point, and they now pierce.
+ Formation B(Shot) no longer has a time limit. Lowered hitbox to hit smaller knocked down characters.
+ Slide now cancelable into Formation B(Shot).
And I had the idea to increase the recovery on Vajra H to make it more easily punishable raw and as an assist, but that'd ruin any non-XF conversions off it so I'm not sure about that... I also considered making it cancelable into Formation B(shot) on point, but that'd make it really safe on block, so... thoughts?
+ Hyper Damage scaling changed from 30% to 50%.
+ Legion no longer random with one set pattern. Each animal of Legion has 1 high durability point, and they now pierce.
+ Formation B(Shot) no longer has a time limit. Lowered hitbox to hit smaller knocked down characters.
+ Slide now cancelable into Formation B(Shot).
And I had the idea to increase the recovery on Vajra H to make it more easily punishable raw and as an assist, but that'd ruin any non-XF conversions off it so I'm not sure about that... I also considered making it cancelable into Formation B(shot) on point, but that'd make it really safe on block, so... thoughts?
Karsticles
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I'm talking about its damage compared to other command grab hypers when contrasted against its utility.
Karsticles
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Put this in patch note form. Paragraphs are for explanations, not suggestions.
biosnake20
Member
Increase the damage of the raging demon to 500k-550k.
Karsticles
Member
That's Wright's level 3. ;-)
(trying to get that page for Enzo so I can get post #2) - no one post so we can have the changelog right up front.
It does 510K.
Karsticles
Member
Hahahaha.
I would rather buff Raging Demon's damage than make it comboable. Give it a unique space in the game.
biosnake20
Member
Oh yeah I forgot mashed it does that much. Ok increase it to 550k. It should do ridiculous damage. It's the raging demon. And you can't combo into it.
Karsticles
Member
Even 550K isn't that big of a deal. That's just two beams DHCed into each other. I'm thinking like....800K.
biosnake20
Member
I like where your head's at. It should kill any character in the game from full health in XF3. So it should do like 1.3 mil in XF3.
Karsticles
Member
That's 4 bars, though. Is it better to get 600K to end a combo with, or 900K with a counter?
I say give it to him! It'd still be much harder to make safe when chicken blocked though.
Also:
+ Health increased to 800K
+ Scaling values increased to 5% normals and 10% specials
- Vajra assist untechable time on hit decreased
No tampering with his base HSD though. Ensures he'd get passable damage without making him a nightmare on the cast.
Karsticles
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Karsticles
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Strider already gets a 20% health buff in system changes. No more!
But Formation B(Shot) is 2 frame startup. Even if it's chicken blocked, that shit comes out too fast, man.
biosnake20
Member
Ok how about this. It should kill every character in the game including a meterless follow up combo.
Karsticles
Member
Should Ouroboros get a buff?
Actually lower health characters get less benefit from the health bonus proportionally speaking.
Except Phoenix because she is now in the threshold where she can survive a LVL1 hyper like she could in Vanilla.
Strider shouldn't get any health bonuses because:
1) He is a top tier assist and the only anti air assist that causes hard knockdown. Even in our super crazy buffed game, no one has an assist like his... it's still unique.
2) He is still a top tier anchor in a game where Vergil is getting nerfed hard
3) He has an immense amount of tools at his disposal and one of the few characters who actually earns his HP.
The only buffs aside from technical stuff like Formation B hitting property and Legion stuff (because the hyper is absolute shit) that I would agree with are scaling improvements. His scaling are garbage and makes him very shit as a point. While the scaling improvements would still make him not a good point character overall, it will make him more viable without it being his most optimum position.
Except Phoenix because she is now in the threshold where she can survive a LVL1 hyper like she could in Vanilla.
Strider shouldn't get any health bonuses because:
1) He is a top tier assist and the only anti air assist that causes hard knockdown. Even in our super crazy buffed game, no one has an assist like his... it's still unique.
2) He is still a top tier anchor in a game where Vergil is getting nerfed hard
3) He has an immense amount of tools at his disposal and one of the few characters who actually earns his HP.
The only buffs aside from technical stuff like Formation B hitting property and Legion stuff (because the hyper is absolute shit) that I would agree with are scaling improvements. His scaling are garbage and makes him very shit as a point. While the scaling improvements would still make him not a good point character overall, it will make him more viable without it being his most optimum position.
Fuck no... what the fuck.
Karsticles
Member
Ouroboros should become a level 2 or a level 1 since it still loses to Spiral Swords. ;-)
biosnake20
Member
You guys are completely fine with the duration? Maybe it should be a smidge longer.
+ Hyper Damage scaling changed from 30% to 50%, Normal damage scaling from 3% to 5%, Special damage scaling from 7% to 10%
+ Legion no longer random with one set pattern. Each animal of Legion has 1 high durability point, and they now pierce. Improve travel speed
+ Formation B(Shot) no longer has a time limit. Lowered hitbox to hit smaller knocked down characters.
+ Slide now cancelable into Formation B(Shot)
This is all he needs, anything else is superfluous as far as I am concerned. He's the most balanced "top tier" character in the game... if that makes sense. Only extra thing I could add is a slight, slight nerf on Vajra assist... either trajectory, tracking or some other thing. I would be a bit opposed to the hit box change because a lot of moves already beat it out.
+ Legion no longer random with one set pattern. Each animal of Legion has 1 high durability point, and they now pierce. Improve travel speed
+ Formation B(Shot) no longer has a time limit. Lowered hitbox to hit smaller knocked down characters.
+ Slide now cancelable into Formation B(Shot)
This is all he needs, anything else is superfluous as far as I am concerned. He's the most balanced "top tier" character in the game... if that makes sense. Only extra thing I could add is a slight, slight nerf on Vajra assist... either trajectory, tracking or some other thing. I would be a bit opposed to the hit box change because a lot of moves already beat it out.
Karsticles
Member
I want someone to calculate his new bnb damage with those scaling changes. Any volunteers?
Ouroboros vs Spiral Swords can go either way, honestly. It can win as much as it can lose.