If a game or app requires the Kinect it will pop a message up saying plug it in or enable it. This isn't the PS Eye which isn't included at all, everyone Xbox One will still have a Kinect and that's a metric a Dev can count on.
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Xbox One Will STILL Function if Kinect Isn't Plugged In.
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If a game or app requires the Kinect it will pop a message up saying plug it in or enable it. This isn't the PS Eye which isn't included at all, everyone Xbox One will still have a Kinect and that's a metric a Dev can count on.
The main change is being able to unplug it. You were always able to disable it through the settings like you said
Hum, what?
How many people are judging their console purchase based on the launch lineups?
Can't have it both ways.
oboy
There were never going to be any games that required Kinect anyway (apart from actual Kinect games of course), there maybe optional Kinect stuff in them but it was always going to be optional and this proves it really. Haters always try to scare people into thinking that all games will require kinect or have Kinect functions that you have to use but you obviously don't, it will be just like this gen.
The Wraith
Member
Good job Microsoft now drop the price 100$ and I'm back in.
I'd be glad if they did this, but I in no way see this as a reasonable expectation if you plan on buying the console at launch.
demosthenes
Member
I would love to see the break down 6 months after the system is out of those that have it plugged in and those that don't. I'm sure MS could track that through XBLG or something. Would be interesting to see.
Moon_frogger
Member
We have more chance of getting a 3ds without 3d sku then a kinect less xb1. That is to say zero chance.
The Wraith
Member
Ill buy the console when it drops 100$ regardless if they do it at launch or 3 years later. Bottom line is the PS4 has the edge in power and I'm not paying 500$ for the weaker console. I already have my PS4 paid in full at GameStop with 3 games paid off as well. Microsoft could've had my money if they didnt fuck up so monumentally in the beginning.
theviolenthero
Member
EVERYONE will have it plugged in. The only people saying otherwise are just trolls.
I can't imagine someone getting a Skype chat invite, getting up to plug in their Kinect and once the conversation is over, getting up again to unplug it.
Hope you are right, I am wavering now on my PS4 preorder.
A Kinectless XB1 would hamstring anything to do with the camera, I want to see where they plan to go with it
Laughing Buddha
Member
I agree 100%! I'm a glass is half full thinker as well and see a lot of potential in Kinect. I hope Microsoft can prove Kinects worth quickly and if they can't I hope they do something to incentivize adoption rather than remove it all together. That would be a mistake IMHO.
LB
I do that with my USB WebCam... I find it unnerving to have it always plugged in and looking at you...
Kinect will always be a part of XB1 as it stands right now. If you look at that leaked roadmap for the future with fortaleza glasses, you'll see that they work in tandem with Kinect.
IF they stick with that roadmap (which they have so far), It's not something they're going to remove.
That being said, it's a big IF, since they've backtracked on a lot of other things so far.
IF they stick with that roadmap (which they have so far), It's not something they're going to remove.
That being said, it's a big IF, since they've backtracked on a lot of other things so far.
so you say that chatting like is done now, (only with the headset and without either kinect or the older 360 camera)
will not be possible on next box?
I think he means like a legit Skype video call, not a 32 person chat room that's powered by Skype.
SwiftDeath
Member
The major problem I see is the price still
I think that MS will have a lot more difficulty lowering price on the X1 with the kinect attached then without so while the attach rate of the kinect might be very very high even near 100% the install base might not meet expectations
Next year should be interesting depending how this holiday season turns out especially if famousmortimer's pre-order ratios are to be believed
oh, I see. dont care for those, I use my other devices.
I can still game-chat and party-chat like before with using only the headset though, correct?
David H Wong
Banned
NO ONE will have it plugged in. The only people saying otherwise are just trolls.
I think current Kinect usage would back up my claim sooner than yours. I'm betting virtually all of them are unplugged and in closets now.
Yea, you're good there.
I personally like the Skype integration here because I Skype my girlfriend all the time while school is in session. She lives 5 hours away from me with where she's going to school so being able to pull her up on the snap while watching TV or playing a game and being able to talk/see her is a big plus for me.
Well you lose your bet then because I can claim 2 at my house plugged in and used daily and 4 others at friend's houses which even though they aren't using it for games, they use it get around the dash on the 360.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Small profit margin from "Where the hell did I put my kinect?" replacements confirmed.
Phire Phox
Banned
Because their is not a lot of compelling software for it. With every Xbone owner having a Kinect developers have the incentive to develop innovative and great games for Kinect.
I feel that remains to be seen. If the UI control is intuitive instead of feeling tacked on I might never unplug mine.
I hope so. I don't want to have to go through Skype and everything just to join/start a party.
shouamabane
Member
This makes the One more appealing to me. Especially if I don't have to pay for a Kinect.
I dont believe this will be the case, but given what we have seen the last months, its better we ask for this to be clarified..
ElectricBanquet
Member
This is the right approach. I think it's a smart thing to have kinect bundled with every console (so developers can count on every XB1 owner having one), but not mandating that it always be plugged in. There will always be a few stubborn holdouts, but if developers can come with compelling uses for kinect then most gamers will decide it's worth having it hooked up. Make people want to use it instead of telling them they have to.
It's funny; Kinect 2.0 was supposed to be this great differentiator, something no one else could copy and would add some value to the console so it's not just a horsepower and timed-exclusivity race.
But it keeps seeming like the opposite: an anchor that does nothing but add costs and concerns. I'd say it's unprecedented, but it's pretty similar to the Wii U pad situation in my opinion.
But it keeps seeming like the opposite: an anchor that does nothing but add costs and concerns. I'd say it's unprecedented, but it's pretty similar to the Wii U pad situation in my opinion.
yog-sothot
Member
I guess I might buy one now... someday... but I probably won't
If you leave the Kinect unplugged and are using multiple controllers at once, how do you differentiate between controllers? I'm pretty sure there are no player 1, etc. indicators on the new controller as Kinect was suppose to handle this. And obviously the controller design has been final for a while.
So if there is the possibility to just say "Xbox, play latest Game of Thrones episode", and the show instantly loads and starts playing then that is a bad thing versus the other option?
People would rather instead use the controller to select the 'Video/media' tab, then scroll to 'HBOgo', then scroll to 'Series', then scroll to 'Game of Thrones', then scroll to 'Episodes', then scroll to the latest episode, select it, then select play?
If you can instantly answer/make a Skype call along side of the game/video/webbrowser you are playing using your voice, would that not be better then having to pause a game, access the menu, select to answer, or select whom to call, then initiate the answer/call?
If I'm in the middle of a game of Madden online(or any other game), why would I want to have to stop that game to answer/make a call instead of just telling the Kinect to answer/make the call?
I don't get this logic. Crow and craw all you want about price and NSA, but it's sounds silly and pointless to me.
Do we really prefer to get up to change a channel or volume on the TV? Do we really prefer our landland phones over cell phones? Do we still use typewriters instead of computers?
It's about evolution, and I'd rather have a companies try to evolve and change instead of just rehashing old ideas with new paint.
Everyone wants the StarTrek future, yet every one is going to complain every step of the way?
When I was a kid we where excited about innovation, and used our imaginations to try and see what the future may hold.
Now? Now the new gamer generation just complains, complains, complains, fights against all change in the industry, is pessimistic with the evolution of hardware and software, and demands dev's/publishers/console manufacturers NOT move forward.
Then they still have the balls to go into a thread and whine about how the industry as a whole is not 'innovative' enough.
SMH
People would rather instead use the controller to select the 'Video/media' tab, then scroll to 'HBOgo', then scroll to 'Series', then scroll to 'Game of Thrones', then scroll to 'Episodes', then scroll to the latest episode, select it, then select play?
If you can instantly answer/make a Skype call along side of the game/video/webbrowser you are playing using your voice, would that not be better then having to pause a game, access the menu, select to answer, or select whom to call, then initiate the answer/call?
If I'm in the middle of a game of Madden online(or any other game), why would I want to have to stop that game to answer/make a call instead of just telling the Kinect to answer/make the call?
I don't get this logic. Crow and craw all you want about price and NSA, but it's sounds silly and pointless to me.
Do we really prefer to get up to change a channel or volume on the TV? Do we really prefer our landland phones over cell phones? Do we still use typewriters instead of computers?
It's about evolution, and I'd rather have a companies try to evolve and change instead of just rehashing old ideas with new paint.
Everyone wants the StarTrek future, yet every one is going to complain every step of the way?
When I was a kid we where excited about innovation, and used our imaginations to try and see what the future may hold.
Now? Now the new gamer generation just complains, complains, complains, fights against all change in the industry, is pessimistic with the evolution of hardware and software, and demands dev's/publishers/console manufacturers NOT move forward.
Then they still have the balls to go into a thread and whine about how the industry as a whole is not 'innovative' enough.
SMH
Guess what, no I wont. That piece of crap is going to stay in the box where it belongs.
Press the guide button and see who's picture/name appears on the new dashboard?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Do you have to hook it up the first time you power the console and get the update?
hedmunky84
Member
I stated this on another thread as well ($399 XBone w/o Kinect), but I think all these 180's M$ is doing, they should absolutely release a $399 XBone w/o Kinect, then I'd buy it on day 1 as well, along with my PS4. It seems like M$ is "trying" to listen to us, but if they truly are listening, they would release it without the dumb camera.
soul creator
Member
lol, I love the anger in this post. Seems like a waste of money to buy something and then not even try it out once though (since this post implies you will buy an Xbox One, but leave the Kinect in the box)
shinobi602
Member
I don't even use Skype.
You obviously don't interact with parents who have kids and a 360. Kids love kinect.
Alx
Member
Hah, that made me smile.
And also cry a little bit.
I think in the end the gamer crowd is not really the one to ask when you're proposing innovation. Even if they're focused on technology, they're also a very conservative bunch : "don't change the character design, the new one is ugly", "keep the gameplay I liked untouched", "the controller is perfect, don't meddle with it", "games were so much better back in the days", ...
Ok, not everybody is like that, but it is a general trend.
SwiftDeath
Member
If I buy one and it comes with a kinect, I will have to be absolutely sure it can't be used for advertising related data collection
I absolutely hate that and the article that discusses kinects ad potential with a couple MS marketing people still turns me off from the whole thing to be honest
Even if they release a kinectless version of the XB1 at $100 less, the majority here will still complain.
Say that since Kinect costs as much as the console to make, the XB1 sans Kinect should cost $250.
At $399 people will call it a rip off, and claim that Microsoft is gouging them, and say that they can't trust them, and that they wont buy a system until it's $250.
I see posters claim they will change their mind if "X' or "Y" happens, then "X" and "Y" happens, and they keep on complaining.
Say that since Kinect costs as much as the console to make, the XB1 sans Kinect should cost $250.
At $399 people will call it a rip off, and claim that Microsoft is gouging them, and say that they can't trust them, and that they wont buy a system until it's $250.
I see posters claim they will change their mind if "X' or "Y" happens, then "X" and "Y" happens, and they keep on complaining.
CosmicQueso
Member
Hah, that made me smile.And also cry a little bit.
I think in the end the gamer crowd is not really the one to ask when you're proposing innovation. Even if they're focused on technology, they're also a very conservative bunch : "don't change the character design, the new one is ugly", "keep the gameplay I liked untouched", "the controller is perfect, don't meddle with it", "games were so much better back in the days", ...
Ok, not everybody is like that, but it is a general trend.
Not really at trend. People have been like this forever. Hell, when electricity was first put into homes, there was a large group of people who thought candles were good enough.
Plus, there's the whole everything-was-better-when-I-was-12 thing.
The future will happen, there are early adopters and laggards, and those shouting the loudest tend to be a vocal minority.
Where do you stand on an Ad system that sees what you play and suggest new things that fit into that genre etc? Or advertising DLC for your favorite games etc?
Personally if I can get the option to drop all adverts apart fro the ones pertaining to the games I actually play and care about, then I will be very happy. Hopefully the Win 8 roots gives us the option to customize as we see fit.
soul creator
Member
I suppose that's fair. Though I'd wager that if data collection/advertisements in general is an issue, no one would ever use console online services at all, heh.
You talk about innovation but everything is TV and Skype. You should work for Microsoft.
SwiftDeath
Member
Hmm personally I hate advertising on every level and the new xbox dash somehow manages to irritate me more than the previous ones
As I said it's all about options
If i can turn it off fully and better yet turn off all the stupid dash ads then I probably wouldn't mind attaching the kinect although not sure I'll ever see the value that others on here seem to already see
Yes? No?
I dislike the idea that MS could potentially use the kinect to collect data on me at all I guess
It's not really big brother NSA is gonna get me thoughts more this customer is a white 20 - 25 year old and enjoys game of thrones thus we'll get more money for showing taco bell ads to this demographic
I hate that (and ads in general on a console I pay for)
Though I accept it for general game ads more
soul creator
Member
You can replace "Game of Thrones episode" with whatever digital game you have on your system, and the use case is basically the same. Or Game DVR, or Smartmatch, or whatever else. That's the whole point of these consoles being complex, integrated systems
Granted, not necessarily saying it's some crazy, game-changing innovation, but these things still can be a welcome convenience, an add to the overall experience of using the console.