maplelord93
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this thread just goes in circles with you people. take a break, drink some kool-aid or something
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Albert Penello puts dGPU Xbox One rumor to rest
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Right, I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.
3rdamention
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I don't know why Albert and Major Nelson need to keep reminding us they have the smartest people or the smartest engineers around. Honestly this is the fourth or fifth time they have said it. Albert twice here, Major Nelson on Reddit, hell, Major Nelson said the exact same, nearly to the exact words, like seven years ago on his PS3 vs 360 blog post...
Its some unprovable comment they keep throwing out like the fact they have smart people work for them makes up any differences the systems may have in hardware. Why do they keep saying it? I feel its so dumb and isn't some check mark on the Xbox One spec sheet.
Guess what? Sony and Nintendo have some very smart people working for them too, but they don't keep saying it over and over....
Its some unprovable comment they keep throwing out like the fact they have smart people work for them makes up any differences the systems may have in hardware. Why do they keep saying it? I feel its so dumb and isn't some check mark on the Xbox One spec sheet.
Guess what? Sony and Nintendo have some very smart people working for them too, but they don't keep saying it over and over....
And here I thought he wasn't PR? As far as I'm concerned he's just ticking off bullet points he's been handed to write here. I don't see how we can have a relevant and meaningful discussion with him if all he can do is regurgitate.
Damn, this post makes me excited for the end of next gen haha
Can Crusher
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Maybe it's not his job to clarify, but rather to communicate that perception directly to the community.
BleachAndPepsi
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I just hope the graphics people don't come out with charts and graphs of the same quality as those comparing Xbox 360 and PS3.
LiquidMetal14
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Someone can freely disagree but I don't like this way of handling the wording we've seen from Albert. If feels like MSFT just wants to throw a bunch of stuff on the wall and hope some of it sticks. I can't really say more than that but it makes having conversations behind the scenes with some people in the know a little more repetitive since some of the stuff being said by Albert is being disruptive and as you noted, leaves us shaking our heads asking more questions with the wording/logic brought forth.
I would rather none of this even be discussed unless there's some tangible spec on paper but it's hard to take anything serious when this guy does not know everything about PS4 inside out. I don't need to cherry pick quotes as others have but that's about all I can really muster to say for now.
Drinking the Kool-aid is exactly the opposite of what GAF should do.
3rdamention
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He had his tag changed so it said he wasn't. He is Project Planning or whatever...which must be a cool title for new age PR....lol
Best part is Albert isn't even PR. He's directly involved in the creation of the Xbone...
Same here.
There's no doubt that PS4 and Xbone are going to have some fucking AWESOME looking games.
Search my previous posts where I posted all the things Microsoft threw at the wall hoping something would stick. I listed them all, lol.
In the legal field we have a saying: If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you argue the facts.
So a free tip for Albert: Argue for Xbone's exclusives, Kinect, the NFL and TV capability. Leave the power difference alone, because you're not going to win that one.
So a free tip for Albert: Argue for Xbone's exclusives, Kinect, the NFL and TV capability. Leave the power difference alone, because you're not going to win that one.
We're talking about a 50% power difference here, not 10 or 20 or 30, but 50% according to that developers tweet. If there aren't obvious differences especially with the similarity in architecture, then I'll be skeptical about any theoretical differences between both consoles. It shouldn't take 3 years to make a 50% advantage show. These are devs that are skilled enough to make graphical powerhouse games on the PC and still mange to port said games to 8 year old consoles.
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We have exactly 0% evidence that his telephone game is remotely accurate, let alone his proof they know any if the details about the PS4. Unless he can prove it, he shouldn't say it. Who cares about how smart these people are, let the product speak for itself.
This is exactly in-line with all the recent XBox One PR: Bad.
In that case, he should post articles on Xbox Wire, not NeoGAF.
LittleJohnny
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To be honest, Xbox showed its power over PS2 immediately despite developers already being well into PS2 2nd gen software. I remember Xbox very early on running titles that PS2 had been struggling at 30fps with bad draw distance had not only bigger draw distance on Xbox, but had sharper textures and displayed at 480p and 60fps.. Snowboarding game, can't remember the name atm. This is despite being ports because games like Splinter Cell obliterated the PS2. Note that some folks believe the gap between XB1 and PS4 to be larger which is absurd imo
whatever his job is, he's not doing it very well.
It's already readily apparent in my opinion.
Killzone is easily the best looking launch game on either platform.
Infamous is easily the best looking second-wave game on either platform.
Cross-platform launch titles are a 100% complete wash in my mind. Would love to see differences at launch though.
Of course this is it. Unlimited cloud power, 40x the performance with cloud, 5 billion transistors etc, all these claims or boasts have now fizzled out as they didn't stick and quickly lost their lustre.
Can Crusher
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You don't bring sand to the beach.
In his job description he's not. As he's said, he's here to try and clear things up or add detail to things. He's not part of the social media team like Larry is. That said, anything that comes from an employee from either company could be considered PR. if he was an engineer that helped design all of the Xbox One architecture and was on here talking it would be considered PR as well.
NullPointer
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My laymen (read: I don't know shit) perspective:
Optimistic: Albert is right, anonymous GAF experts are full of shit/misunderstand.
Middling: Albert has some of his facts wrong, or is misstating them, but means the best.
Cynical: As a PR move for MS, you don't have to win the graphics debate as much as cast doubt and muddy the waters.
My gut (and/or ass) is somewhere between cynical and middling, even though the idea of designing for balance rather than raw power does conjure a certain elegance in my imagination.
But I still don't know anything more about whether you can add bandwidths or whether the One's chip does both reads and writes in the same cycle, as nobody seems to have credibly disputed either. I was kind of hoping those were two easilyfalsifiable statements if they were truly false.
link1201
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apparently.
Garrett 2U
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Can't wait for the game comparisons after launch.
To me, it isn't really a big deal which console is more powerful but it will be entertaining to see the debates
We know the position of Technical Fellow exists at Microsoft.
We know some of them work on Xbox.
And you're doubting he actually talked to one of them before posting?
It's perfectly fine to debate the technical claims he made, but to doubt he talked to a co-worker...?
And about the details of the PS4, he said the Technical Fellow consults with third party developers, that's probably where the comparisons came from.
But yeah, the games and developers will speak when the consoles launch. Albert actually mentioned that.
To me, it isn't really a big deal which console is more powerful but it will be entertaining to see the debates
Wait lol..
We know the position of Technical Fellow exists at Microsoft.
We know some of them work on Xbox.
And you're doubting he actually talked to one of them before posting?
It's perfectly fine to debate the technical claims he made, but to doubt he talked to a co-worker...?
And about the details of the PS4, he said the Technical Fellow consults with third party developers, that's probably where the comparisons came from.
But yeah, the games and developers will speak when the consoles launch. Albert actually mentioned that.
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I don't want sand in the house. Keep it at the beach.
It would be funny to find out years from now when we are all in the old folks home, and everything gaming is embedded in our brains via graphene flash memory, to find out that Mark Cerny was a GAF member in 2013 and posting counterpoints to MS's 'facts' just to rile up the forums.
I do too, but Albert problem is he immediately draw comparisons with PS4, if he just try to explain X1 strengths and hardware tweaks without bringing PS4. he would be more believable since he obviously knows nothing about PS4 customizations. Also Gaffers were asking him for more clarifications -rightfully so- about his numbers, which he needs to get those answers from a higher engineers at the company.
I appreciate what he did but at the same time I understands the questions raised by Gaffers and the ones that needs to be clarified.
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I'm saying if you're going to play telephone about technical jargon that's above our heads or however he put it into nice words for us, don't play at all.Can't wait for the game comparisons after launch.
To me, it isn't really a big deal which console is more powerful but it will be entertaining to see the debates
Wait lol..
We know the position of Technical Fellow exists at Microsoft.
We know some of them work on Xbox.
And you're doubting he actually talked to one of them before posting?
It's perfectly fine to debate the technical claims he made, but to doubt he talked to a co-worker...?
And about the details of the PS4, he said the Technical Fellow consults with third party developers, that's probably where the comparisons came from.
But yeah, the games and developers will speak when the consoles launch. Albert actually mentioned that.
The ESRAM is tiny compared to the amount of slow DDR3 RAM. So adding their bandwidths together and comparing to the bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory makes for an intentionally misleading comparison.
fallingdove
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I think this is exactly it. First it was the number of transistors, then it was the infinite power of the cloud, then it was - hey guys, don't worry about the power of the system, we gave it a power boost. Then they gave it a second power boost... Now Albert is saying they have 276gb/s bandwidth with Xbone.
I wonder what will be next... "As a parting gift, Balmer shot a leprechaun riding a unicorn out of his ass, this adds 30% more power to all Xbones past present and future."
Not only that, but he even admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about the technicalities of the Xbox One and is just going based off one of the workers at Microsoft. He just needs to stop discussing the technical aspects since he's not clear on them.
Whatever happens at launch will tell but a fraction of the overall story. The only way we'll know for sure is later down the line when devs have had time to climatise to both sets of hardware, dev kits and tools are closer to final and third parties have better resource, time and development allocation between the new platforms.
Launch games are basically the essay you wrote in a rush the night before it was due, whilst later cycle games are the thesis that you spent weeks on and had time to prepare for and research.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I dont know about that.
You dont have to tell me sorry I dont care if you disagree.
NullPointer
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Is that intentionally misleading comparison a marketing standard when discussing these technologies? In other words, does everybody do it? Maybe thats what Albert or the fellow means by stating that you can add them.
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And here's our problem. If he's here to relay info, if he's here to just communicate, then he should have not done it here in this forum.
This forum contrary to some people's beliefs actually has people who know about this kind of thing, and if he cannot clarify or is not versed on it, then maybe someone else should talk about this kind of thing.
Now I just want you to know that I'm not dissing Albert, I am merely criticizing that he or Major Nelson shouldn't have done that kind of comment (or at least Albert since he did it here directly), but I am saying that someone more knowledge of the field should be here, discussing with people who actually know about the topic so we can understand what they mean with their statements.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Can't wait took November 22nd so we can finally let the games do the talking.
The feel of 1.84 teraflops
Fresh Face
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Somebody please tell me this thread isn't this long because people are arguing about dual GPUs. Please?
And yet he decided GDDR5 is the superior option....hrrrrnnnnng.
Truespeed
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The amount of spinning from Microsoft is just insane. I don't think I've ever seen a company try to discredit performance specs of another console, emphasize that it's all about the games and then go back to spinning their hardware specs. That's fine - if you want to make it all about the games then talk about your games, but don't try to bullshit us with heavily massaged PR driven theoretical hardware specs and metrics to make it seem the Xbox One is just as powerful as the PS4. You are only going to eat your words when the truth is revealed and the truth always comes out eventually. Don't play that game because you can't win. So just talk about your games because there isn't a damn thing you can do about the hardware you're stuck with.
Don't take it personally, Albert. Since you've diverted responsibility to the Technical Fellow who advised you, we will continue to question the truthfulness of his information.
Good points, and yeah absolutely. It's how this place works really. You got to back up your claims, and people will rightfully call you out if what you say isn't accurate. GAF wouldn't be GAF if this wasn't how things are done and this IS a great place.
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