well this is the thing for me, and my primary issue with what i'm seeing a lot of from these new consoles. i've no doubt that the PS4 could've been showcased with an absolutely stunning wipeout-alike with a solid 60FPS and clean IQ. a game which delivered a great visual experience which didn't compromise on clarity/fluidity.
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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well this is the thing for me, and my primary issue with what i'm seeing a lot of from these new consoles. i've no doubt that the PS4 could've been showcased with an absolutely stunning wipeout-alike with a solid 60FPS and clean IQ. a game which delivered a great visual experience which didn't compromise on clarity/fluidity.
idrinkalone
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If developers dumb down games for the ps4 because of the xbox's weaker console, then I think it's time to vote with your wallet and not support them.
Dragonborn
Member
True but the cheapest normally does and this time the PS4 is both the most powerful and the cheaper one. Do people forget the price difference when they try dismissing the power argument?
PC has no place in a console comparison. We all know it's stronger no point bringing it up other than to try to end the argument cheaply
This shit right here would make me extremely unhappy. Taken to an illogical extreme, it would mean we'll all be playing WiiU games.
I think, though, that it couldn't last long into the life cycle. First party games could start to take a bite out of the multi-platform titles profits if they're visually superior.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I agree, we should leave PC out because it makes "which will have the better multiplats" arguments irrelevant.
Manmademan
Member
not really. the TV services are a misstep, and there's a few reasons why.
DVRs are becoming more and more standard, and the Xbone integration doesnt work with those.
also, Cable operators like Comcast Already have proprietary services that duplicate everything the Xbone does, and are better integrated.
As cable operators tend to be a monopoly in their given areas (or damn close to it) this means that Microsoft can't sell tv functions to giant swaths of the country.
Sparks > IQ in the console realm though. I doubt that'll change any time soon.
maverick40
Junior Member
Haha!True! Obviously the pc is going to be the most powerful out of the three. Everyone here on Gaf knows this, it is like the pc guys get no attention On the forums and just stroll into threads about unrelated console news and start waving dicks around.
NoirVisage
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Your post history makes statements like the ones you're making very hypocritical.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Real tech experts having been saying the same thing for months .
Unless you talking about DF and if you saying edge chose a side the same can be said for them .
They have credibility you chose not to see it .
All you have to do is look at the leaks leading up before consoles were showed .
To see how they right were on most things and knew stuff others did not .
Huh? None of that sounds offensive.
There's no perspective beyond the poster's insecurity though. Duh, PC games look better. You're talking about a moving target that takes into account potentially significantly more expensive hardware investments. Yet it's irrelevant in a discussion pertaining to the hardware difference between upcoming consoles, it doesn't bring anything else to the table beyond dickwaving. People who bring it up are that guy.
EDIT:
It's thinly veiled derailment. Judging by how the thread's going now, it's working.
maverick40
Junior Member
It is not offensive in the slightest, just annoying and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
you mean particle effects? cause man can these things do particle effects.
wipeout would've so loved particle effects. i'm tearing up.
It's a dickwaving thread though. No point in grumbling when Lex Steele turns up.
Pound_lb003
Member
I would like it if we all just waited for the games to come out, then judged.
Maybe?
No?
Okies.
Maybe?
No?
Okies.
Pretty sure Xbox one can still control your dvr. You'll still probably want to use your dvr remote for a lot of things but I'm sure it can do simple commands that any universal remote can.
I think many people miss the whole point. Controlling tv is not the priority with hdmi in. Making it so Xbox one is always on your primary input and overlaying everything is Microsoft's priority. Always connected. Always available.
This is why I'm excited for Xbox one more than ps4.
Wuthering_Heights
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Shame it seems like the Xbone is going to hold back multiplatfom developments.
Hopefully not tho.
Hopefully not tho.
I'm talking all of them, once these things launch it will be a lot clearer of how much more powerful the PS4 is
jim-jam bongs
Member
Well, to put a different spin on it; maybe it's actually relevant to demonstrate that early cycle console games are not fully indicative of the kind of output the hardware will see later in the generation.
If the headline was "NextGen: Dead Heat" would that make them more or less trustworthy?
Edit: I somehow replied to a really really old post.
Mohonky
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As someone else said earlier, if this is the 'next gen' consoles then coune me out. My PC will more than suffice and i am having a load of fun with my (horrendously under powered) Wii U.
This is the first console generation where I honestly feel absolutely o need to run out and buy a 'next gen' console. The Wii U has been a surprisingly awrsome bundle of joy and my PC from what i have seen will be plenty capable beside next gen hardware.
Maybe i am getting over gaming in general but I have become increasingly picky about what I enjoy in games and right now, coming from the Xbox360 as my current go to console, i feel as though i am less and less inclined to bother with the Xbone or PS4, and more than a few of my mates are in the same boat. I bought a Wii U for the fact that its doing somethi g different and to be honest have not be disappointed in the least. Microsoft a least are doing Kinect which might be much to the annoyance of the hardcore cowd, but well, we all saw how poorly that stupid kinect, los of crow eaten on hat ne. PS4? They will no doubt have a superb fist parth line up but otherwise they dont have anything to other than teh specs to go on about and theirbshowings so far have consisted of not much else more than looking at what Microsoft have said and saying he complete opposite.
For me, PC and Wii U seems the obvious choice. If you dont like Nintendo games you can forego the Wii U and go PC because that offers the ultimate in versatility and performance.
Edit. Few drinks and ipad keypad, not a good mix do make.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Yes really. What I wrote about Xbox One and it's tight integration with US tv services is factually correct.
maverick40
Junior Member
Haha damn. Either way this thread has been genuinely interesting with some excellent replies from most. The question now remains, will Microsoft respond to the EDGE's revelations?
There are far more people who are claiming that the difference will be huge, like between PC and consoles. Obviously since PS4 and Xbone share the same architecture (minus the memory setup) you'd expect low level optimizations to benefit both and it's hard to predict a situation where PS4 could be neglected.
I specifically said what sort of differences I expect when games will finally appear - similar to RDR between 360 and PS3. The PS3 version was much inferior to the 360 one, but it didn't stop even many GAF users - who are clearly enthusiast or hardcore gamers - from playing the clearly worse version. Not too mention people ignoring PC gaming where the quality is the highest. So I don't think the 40% difference is terribly important, even if clearly noticeable.
Personally I don't know why someone interested in getting the highest quality would ignore PC.
Enordash
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I suppose that's true, but as long as we understand that the thread is for console gamer dick measuring, it's cool then?
Edit: If these comments are inappropriate, please let me know and I'll remove them. I'm just generally interested in the mindset. I'm not trying to defend either console or downplay the differences between them.
fallingdove
Member
What the hell are you on about? The article doesn't omit ESRAM as a part of the equation. In fact, it calls out that DEVs think that the ESRAM is a pain in the ass.
Well, they are going to be getting a lot of facking complaints with foliage and jaggies looking terrible when they claim their game is gorgeous. I think the abilities are there to make AA great this gen. We just have to see how it holds up. I target AA specifically but pop-in and all that jazz should be mostly solved as well. And of course full resolution ffs.
maverick40
Junior Member
Is it a contest anymore when one of the dicks clearly has a girth 50% bigger?
OT: if this is offensive to anyone I will remove
I'm not saying that PC is totally irrelevant to the conversation, just the angle of "games look better on PC anyway so this whole debate is pointless lol."
Hell, I've got a PC that I play games on all the time. I could upgrade it to a point that leaves these consoles in the dust too. But that much doesn't do anything for the conversation. And it annoys me when other people do just that.
row row fight da powah
Not really. The power difference is definitely there but it's not enough to change what types of games people will want to do at the core. Like some developer isn't going to say "Damn it we wanted to do an open world game but can't because XB1's GPU is too weak!"
What you'll see is that open world game still being made but having better effects on PS4, or better framerate, or better draw distance. Or maybe a combo of all of those things. Since both are using blu ray disc formats now it won't be like this gen where 360's disc type DID hold people back to a degree, and the RAM on both consoles held devs back in the last 3-4 years of the generation.
Major pls
Manmademan
Member
the point of the integration is to provide a level of control that a universal remote isn't capable of. "xbox play last night's episode of Breaking Bad" flat out won't work here. and if it doesn't, what's the point?
I noticed you also glossed over the largest cable company in the country (22 million households) already providing the exact same service, with their DVR function moving to the cloud. How exactly is the IR blaster going to work there?
Seriously? You don't know? It's worse than the beer/vodka analogy above. It's more like wading into a motorbike thread to point out that your car has a trunk and seatbelts.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Not really unless you think they going to be max out at launch .
It will take a while for many reason (devs tools , skill , learning curve , budget etc etc )
If it's one thing the specs tell you would be is 3rd party games won't be gimp like PS3.
The comment in the article talking about the resolution and frame rate says they are from a "platform agnostic" build. This means a build which doesn't utilise the esram.
Just because whoever that dev was found it a pain doesn't mean it won't or shouldn't be used in performance comparisons. It's an integral part of the design of the console, not using it would be foolish and is disingenuous.
hellmonkey
Member
I really have no idea what to expect from 3rd parties. On one hand, I can understand they want to maintain parity for good relations with everyone. On the other hand, they will have to compete with 1st parties and some 3rd parties. I really think it will be a dev by dev choice and some studios will have parity and others will push the ps4 versions a bit more to stay competitive.
2014 and beyond is going to be very interesting.
2014 and beyond is going to be very interesting.
That's probably accurate
CassidyIzABeast
Member
so you're saying we'll see this by the end of the generation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkHoDEh0FWc
This is huge. Bigger than the "maximum theoretical performance" debate.
It's widely known (i.e. there are presentations on it) that when Cerny designed the PS4, he prioritised "time to triangle" so developers would be able to get something running at a decent speed (as evidenced above).
This is going to affect indies and middle tier developers the most.
It might not matter that Ubisoft, EA or Activision has to hire a few developers or outsource the Xbox One build of a game out, however to your indie teams they don't have the resources.
These one man bands, best friends or teams under five people - Microsoft has lost these guys. Who can afford to spend all that extra time optimising when your PS4 build is already firing on all cylinders within weeks.
I betting there are going to be more PS4 de facto exclusives because of this.
Guess what - this was totally the plan from the beginning.
In a recent interview for 4gamer (http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999024/20130911114/), Shuhei Yoshida showed great nostalgia for that time in the PS2 era where there were tons of "mid tier" games coming out. They want to recreate that era. The indies of today are the mid tier of tomorrow and Sony has them all exclusive, not only because of developer relations but also because of their hardware design.
Mister Mosquito 3 - fucking bring it.
I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.
1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.
2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.
3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.
Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?
1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.
2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.
3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.
Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?
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