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[jayu26]

Yep. But if i have to choose one game for the "best looking current gen game", the Halo 4 is the winner.

 

[Dead Prince]

Have Albert Penello or Major Nelson commented on this yet?

penello probably won't. he probably took the advice he got from PM which said something like don't say anything at all

 

[Biker19]

It'll be seriously fucking annoying if the PS4 ends up with gimped versions just for parity.

If PS4 has a large install base over Xbox One, it won't happen. Both Europe & Japan would most likely go with PS4, anyways, so that should help out a bit.

I just hope publishers realize that while it's a political issue you're better off pissing off Microsoft than you are millions of gamers who control what they purchase with their wallet.

If any of you stick out like a sore thumb on having equal multi-platform games into year one (not launch) it'll be pretty obvious what is going on in most cases.

Indeed. It'll be stupid for them to do that if PS4 winds up having a large install base.

 

[ElTorro]

Trust me, I am a dev.

 

[neither]

penello probably won't. he probably took the advice he got from PM which said something like don't say anything at all

Probably for the better.

 

[fallagin]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

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[KimonoNoNo]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

That analogy is the work of a mad genius.

 

[jusufin]

I'm probably stupid for stepping into the crossfire here but I don't get the point of rehashing the same old fight all over again. Everybody including MSFT itself (minus some really, really deranged fanboys) seem to agree that the Xbox One will not be more powerful than the PS4. Again, everybody including MSFT admit that the PS4 is the more powerful system on paper. Simple mathematics proves that ... the GPU is 50% bigger and the main memory is >200% faster (The Xbox One has the ESRAM but that will only help as a really small, fast cache to close the gap). Simple logic states that the PS4 is not the PS3 and should be at least just as easy to develop for as the Xbox One (in architectural terms it should be actually easier because of its lack of ESRAM).

The only disagreement seems to be whether the difference will manifest itself in software. Will games run around 50% better on the PS4? What does that even mean? I don't think we find out till late 2014 multiplats because everything released till then is held back by the 360 and the PS3 anyway. Did you expect Microsoft to flat out come out and say they were selling a weaker system for $100 more? I'm impressed they were honest enough to acknowledge their weaknesses and move on. Yes, they did try to spin something using the cloud, drivers and later custom coprocessors but the attempt was half hearted at best and anybody with any experience with computers could tell you it was baloney.

On the bright side the Xbox One is not the Wii U and will provide a true generational leap from the HD twins. Even the most ardent Sony fanboys will admit that. As far as the 40% gap goes I think a lot of people would admit that while that might be the theoretical gap the discussion is more about the Xbox One being better that 40% weaker and nobody in their right minds expects it to be worse. Yes, the PS4 will always be my platform of choice for multiplats but I'm not blind enough to ignore some fairly decent games on the Xbox One that one just won't get on the PS4. If somebody is absolutely crazy about Halo and only has money for just one console (and online service), he/she could pay $100 extra for the Xbox One and get the same multiplatform games (at a worst case slightly lower fidelity) and still have their exclusives of choice. That choice makes sense for them. At the end of the day what's good for you isn't good for everybody and I think it makes sense to acknowledge that the Xbox One isn't so weak that the PS4 is the best choice for everybody.

I do think there will be a larger difference this gen between the consoles, but I don't think the x1 is gonna bomb hard like many predict. They pissed me off this gen (before the 180), so I won't personally be buying a x1 until a price drop (last gen ps3 was my last purchase), but a lot of the market simply don't care/don't know about all the x1 news and will probably buy it same as last gen. there are still a lot of people that are heavily invested in the Xbox environment and I still think it will sell well for that reason alone. Lastly, Unless U count Albert (MS PR) as a deranged fan boy, MS is at fault for all these threads/stories concerning the power difference between the systems. While they say officially that the specs don't matter, they have there PR people coming on forums and telling us the opposite (and fudging numbers), and that in fact its Sony who are going to under deliver and over promise. THIS IS WHY THIS STORY HAS GOTTEN SO BIG - I cant stress that enough, the reason that this difference is such a big story in gaming news is because MS cant let it die, Sony hasn't even been talking about the difference beyond a few pr quotes in public.

 

[Hollow]

Yep. But if i have to choose one game for the "best looking current gen game", the Halo 4 is the winner.

"Best looking" is subjective.
I think Beyond: Two Souls is the best looking console title but that's not out yet so for me it would probably be The Last of Us/Uncharted 3 (they look about the same) or Killzone 3.

 

[AranhaHunter]

Dance games, sure, but Kinect 2 is on another level when it comes to fitness applications. I hate to post this twice in the span of a few a few hours, but


I don't see any way that they could extract exertion or pulse information from the 3d PlayStation Camera. Whether that turns out to be useful/meaningful, who knows

There was a tech demo demonstrating this as well

Like I said PS4 camera is not as capable as Kinect 2 but is more capable than Kinect 1. XBone will get the de facto dance and fitness games, but there's no reason they shouldn't be on ps4 as well albeit with less features.

 

[onanie]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

What if i have a monkey feeding business? I can usually feed a very hungry monkey 109 bananas an hour. Then I happen to come across a hybrid banana that is a blend of two variants and potentially twice the vitamins in one banana, and I thought to myself, "maybe if I feed this hybrid to the monkey, I can count it as two bananas". Unfortunately, this hybrid banana tastes like shit to the monkeys, but the poor things will still take it 40% of the time, just because. Thus I proclaim to the world, I can vitamise your monkeys the equivalent of 133 bananas per hour, sometimes 218 though!

What do you think about this story?

 

[beast786]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

You can't fool me sir. I know there is a clue behind your madness

They should turn Vita into an Ouya box and let you hook it up to your TV. $99 PS Vita Fixed?

 

[Quadraphonic]

Sony hasn't even been talking about the difference beyond a few pr quotes in public.

Sony has barely been talking. Other developers and publishers have been doing the talking FOR THEM.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Nobody still hasnt told me what a E-loin is.. :/

 

[Zen]

Of course. That is kinda the point.

Optimization does not necessarily mean what you think it means.
You cannot squeeze more performance from something when it is not there. You tone down LODs, reduce res, create lower detailed meshes, turn off some sampling, etc...

This is especially true now that they are basically all using the same hardware.

True enough, but it does also mean refining your code and finding ways to more fully itilize the hardware - Something where the PS4 has more room for than the Xbox1 considering all the extra CUs that can be smartly leveraged over the Xbox1. Once developers start really pushing the boxes, the gap will get bigger than the earlier software shows.

 

[Ce-Lin]

Yep. But if i have to choose one game for the "best looking current gen game", the Halo 4 is the winner.

nope, not technically, not artistically, not anything, plenty of other games are way beyond Halo 4 in the "best looking" category.

 

[travisbickle]

penello probably won't. he probably took the advice he got from PM which said something like don't say anything at all

British PM David Cameron? That guy should take some of his own advice!!

 

[qa_engineer]

are you sure? I mean did you even hear the music?

They sold me with the shit music.

 

[Nafai1123]

Wait...what? So we shouldn't compare the games of those who know the hardware best?

Because going by what you are saying, the PS3 was weaker than the 360 just because devs were too lazy to port shit right to the PS3. Do you realize what you just said?

If anything, 3rd party publishers have an incentive to ensure parity across both consoles so they are the worse group to use for comparisons. And if we were to hypothetically get to the point were the 1st party games become subjective, wouldn't it then suggest that the performance is close enough that objectivity has gone out of the window (thereby invalidating team #massivegap?).

I know exactly what I said. If you're going to argue the difference is not apparent, thats subjective. If I say there's already a large difference, that's subjective. We don't know what 3rd party incentives there will be next gen. If one console distances itself and sells well, they might be inclined to make that version look as good as it can. if they sell similar numbers, they might go for parity. I'm not saying there won't be differences between the two consoles, I'm just saying the argument of what looks "best" is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[spwolf]

I wouldn't expect it with 1st year titles. Too many cross-gen games. Devs are spreading themselves thin with most multiplats releasing on 5 platforms. I'm not expecting any multiplat to take advantage of anything other than "we got it looking good enough for a launch window and across 3 more platforms." I firmly believe many will choose parity to get the product on the street.

you will notice it right away if 50% is true... devs might not have time to make PS4 look awesome, but they will also not have time to make XB1 run good either. Afterall, they are porting games developed on PC right now and dont have much time to optimize for either.

If for instance it is true that XB1 COD port run like shit while PS4 one run at 90fps, then you might actually find biggest differences at start. There were quite few rumors before how MS's dev tools are not stable right now, that might explain above. I actually believe PS4 one run at 90fps because that trailer looked like crap.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

you will notice it right away if 50% is true... devs might not have time to make PS4 look awesome, but they will also not have time to make XB1 run good either. Afterall, they are porting games developed on PC right now and dont have much time to optimize for either.

If for instance it is true that XB1 COD port run like shit while PS4 one run at 90fps, then you might actually find biggest differences at start. There were quite few rumors before how MS's dev tools are not stable right now, that might explain above. I actually believe PS4 one run at 90fps because that trailer looked like crap.

PS4 cod running at 90 fps?? What does the PC run at?

 

[Finalizer]

Nobody still hasnt told me what a E-loin is.. :/

It's not something you can learn... You just, you know, feel it. Feel the e-loins. Then you've got it.

 

[Boss Man]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

I understand video games now thank you

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

It's not something you can learn... You just, you know, feel it. Feel the e-loins. Then you've got it.

Your avatar is perfect for telling me this lol

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

xBoned.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

What you are saying now sounds much more sanitized than what you were initially suggesting. I disagree with the launch games bit. I think that if XB1 launch games were looking like Wii U games then it would have absolutely meant something. The fact that there is parity at launch suggests that both platforms are at least in the same league, and that perhaps a 40% difference in specs does not translate proportionally as you are suggesting. But I think we should agree to disagree.

My last post didn't present any change in what I've been saying. My expectation is that there will be a rather noticeable difference between these two systems as time moves on. The two GPUs are too far apart for that not to be the case.

As for what happens with launch titles, I'm not on an island, here. No group of titles released for either system will ever say less about them than this group of incoming launch titles. Multiplats in this group are likely being ported over with a cookie-cutter, one size fits all approach due to the ridiculous time constraints, and first party titles in this group inevitably lead to apples to oranges comparisons. Different teams working with different engines across different genres while up against the clock, and all of this while spending most of their development time aiming at a moving target. It's just not a situation that's conducive to showing what hardware can really do.

If you're comfortable with drawing hard conclusions from this group of games, then conclude away. I'm not.

 

[koryuken]

no way will they gimp 3rd party titles on PS4. They might not go out of their to use the extra power for better effects but if they can run at a higher resolution or frame rate they will do it.

The thing is, isn't this already happening with Battlefield 4??

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659553

Instead of the crisp, detailed textures I've encountered this week on the PC version or other next-gen shooter titles, Battlefield 4 on PS4 looked soft and muddled. Wall textures looked half-finished, lacking some of the smaller material nuances or 3D variation. Environmental destruction was more extensive than Battlefield 3 and explosions would send larger chunks of buildings into the air, but once again, the particles looked dull. Weapon models looked great at the hip, but as soon as I raised them to look down the iron sights or scopes, imperfections became apparent.

Another contributing factor was resolution. While EA and DICE have not confirmed what resolution the game will run at on next-gen consoles, for the purposes of this demo, it was running at a resolution higher than 720p, but not 1080p. Though the difference between the two formats may not be recognizable to more casual players, after spending the week checking out games running natively at 1080p, it was readily apparent to me.

 

[USC-fan]

Pretty shitty if Ms is paying to keep the games even. Bet its going to be ea games and cod. I just will not buy them if this is true.

I have never heard about a company doing this...wow...just fucking sad.

 

[infiniteheteroskdasticity]

I do think there will be a larger difference this gen between the consoles, but I don't think the x1 is gonna bomb hard like many predict. They pissed me off this gen (before the 180), so I won't personally be buying a x1 until a price drop (last gen ps3 was my last purchase), but a lot of the market simply don't care/don't know about all the x1 news and will probably buy it same as last gen. there are still a lot of people that are heavily invested in the Xbox environment and I still think it will sell well for that reason alone. Lastly, Unless U count Albert (MS PR) as a deranged fan boy, MS is at fault for all these threads/stories concerning the power difference between the systems. While they say officially that the specs don't matter, they have there PR people coming on forums and telling us the opposite (and fudging numbers), and that in fact its Sony who are going to under deliver and over promise. THIS IS WHY THIS STORY HAS GOTTEN SO BIG - I cant stress that enough, the reason that this difference is such a big story in gaming news is because MS cant let it die, Sony hasn't even been talking about the difference beyond a few pr quotes in public.

To me it seemed like Sony only started mentioning the difference after it became clear the Xbox One wasn't the more powerful console. Then again I'm not surprised. Don't get me wrong - Sony (an Mark Cerny) deserve an enormous amount of credit for what they have done. Short of paying Intel some $10b for a 3TF 370mm2 APU at 22nm that matched an i7 to a scaled up Iris nobody could have done a better job at designing a console for mass production in 2013. Their messaging has been consistent, on point and largely confidence insipring.

At the same time you can't expect Microsoft to just go on and admit they are down on outright performance vs the competition. Clearly their plan has not been to go for absolute performance - their engineers admitted as much. I think they deserve a chance to prove their vision for the system and at least some time on market till everybody declares the X1 a design failure. Where they screwed up is on their messaging. From day 1 their message should have been that they would let the games speak for themselves. Instead they let the PR shills talk about the hardware and that naturally led to all the spin we've gotten about the cloud magically adding graphics etc. In between all this we have gotten snippets of what seems like the truth from the engineers and devs. It is true they did not build the most powerful system. It is also true that the system is still a significant leap over the HD twins and the WiiU. It is also true that the system will have some excellent games and will be the complete package as far as being able to play multiplats at acceptable levels of fidelity. If you're worried about them forcing devs to 'castrate' PS4 games I think that's far fetched. They don't have that sort of leverage and the first parties will force third parties to optimize each system. It didn't happen with the 360/PS3 and it wont happen with the PS4/X1.

 

[Vanillalite]

Yep. But if i have to choose one game for the "best looking current gen game", the Halo 4 is the winner.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

Pretty shitty if Ms is paying to keep the games even. Bet its going to be ea games and cod. I just will not buy them if this is true.

I have never heard about a company doing this...wow...just fucking sad.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm with you, though--I won't support any dev/pub who tries this shit.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

That wasn't actually a question.

 

[graywolf323]

No no, he was TELLING us to 'question'. As in, 'question reality.'

You have to go deeper.

obviously we should all take the red pill

 

[NullPointer]

obviously we should all take the red pill

My bathtub just filled with blood.

Is that a good sign? Because somehow I feel comforted.

 

[Branduil]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

I needed this.

 

[kadotsu]

My bathtub just filled with blood.

Is that a good sign? Because somehow I feel comforted.

Are you watching Mark Cerny right now?

 

[Finalizer]

obviously we should all take the red pill

My bathtub just filled with blood.

Is that a good sign? Because somehow I feel comforted.

Feels like one of our resident photoshop wizards should do a Morpheus Cerny gif right about now.

 

[Subie_Greg]

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

Not sure if trolling...

The Ps3 is more powerful. And we know how that turned out indeed. Sony's first party titles speak to just that.

Problem is teh cell was a pain for devs. And that pain can be seen in games for the first few years and even after for 3rd party devs.

Sony learned a lesson with the Ps3. Highest cost for consumers + more complex for devs = bad. A lesson Microsoft I guess didn't learn.

Xbox One is highest cost for consumers + more complex for devs

Sony made a mistake in teh cell. And corrected with the PS4, giving devs what they asked for. Microsoft on the other hand gave devs esram and weaker hardware overall. I do not see this going well for Microsoft

Highest cost + weaker hardware + complex for devs = bad m'kay

 

[xaosslug]

Have Albert Penello or Major Nelson commented on this yet?

they're both probably under gag-order.

 

[Tabular]

It's a gap, but it might ultimately mean PS4 = little optimisation done, Xbox One = lots of optimisation done with the end result being near-identical products.

Only serving to make devs' lives easier and quicker by not having to optimise PS4, not games looking better.

I suspect your right in certain examples but the majority will likely go the other way, with dev's just taking advantage of all that extra power to run games with more effects and resolution. It's actually not that hard to do.

 

[Razgreez]

That, sir, is an ape not a monkey!

 

[Tabular]

But how are you going to know if a developer gimps their ps4 port for the sake of parity? They are hardly going to announce if they did so.

Because said game by said developer will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[painful fart]

Pretty shitty if Ms is paying to keep the games even. Bet its going to be ea games and cod. I just will not buy them if this is true.

I have never heard about a company doing this...wow...just fucking sad.

It would be pretty telling if MS close cooperation with EA makes their games more on parity than other third parties.

But we should'nt jump to conclusions, lets wait and see.

 

[Tabular]

Guess we will find out with games like AC4 and Watchdogs if the difference in numbers really translate in a difference in what we see on screen...my guess is since these are still consoles and you can't tweak the shit out of the graphics like on PC,the difference to the naked eye will be minimal,I don't think it will equal the Bayonetta or Skyrim PS360 differences...at least I hope not.

What your saying contradicts itself actually. You can't tweak things on a console so the devs will tweak them for you and that will be the difference. Better textures, frame-rates and resolution will be determined by devs to fit the strengths of each platform. PS4 being 50% more powerful will be as obvious as a 50% better GPU on PC is obvious. The OP even quotes a dev saying the difference is obvious.

 

[Syphon Filter]

the hell.not sure if i belive the paying thing.seems pretty shady.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

But in this case the special bicycle and the raging monkey cost $100 more.

So unless you are saying the special bicycle and raging monkey are, in fact, OVER-DELIVERING ON VALUE, I remain skeptical.

 

[chubigans]

Even with all the dumb crap MS has done, I don't see them paying off devs to sabotage PS4 games. If word ever got out it would shred any little bit of consumer empathy they have left.

I expect them to play up three things: 60fps (they did this with nearly all their games at E3, including third party games...heck, even announcing Halo, with zero other information except that it will be 60fps), exclusive or timed DLC content, and the "Xbox experience."

Interesting how quickly they backed off the cloud power stuff.

edit: there was only one situation I'm aware of where MS actually (supposedly?) helped make a platform difference, and that was the 30fps/60fps versions of Madden back in 08 I believe. They touted the 360 version of Madden as the only game with twice the fluidity/framerate. That never happened again.

 

[Averon]

they're both probably under gag-order.

And even if they weren't, they're probably ordered to drop the spec talk. That MS response to EDGE is pretty much admission that they're beat on specs, so they probably want to stop stroking the fire.

 

[RE_Player]

I expect them to play up three things: 60fps (they did this with nearly all their games at E3, including third party games...heck, even announcing Halo, with zero other information except that it will be 60fps)

Not quite sure about that. They are talking as if they are struggling to get Dead Rising 3 to a solid 30 fps and isn't Killer Instinct 60 fps but 720p?

 

[idrinkalone]

if ms money hatted devs to turd down ps4 games(which would cost a lot).. wouldnt it be cheaper for ms to just make a higher spec system?.. and if for some reason ms did moneyhat devs to dumb down games why would you still buy them on consoles and not just go pc?