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[hawk2025]

There are many benefits to the PS4 acting as a client to a cloud service that the Playstation app communicates with.
There is literally no benefit to PS4 acting as a webserver for the Playstation app.
The only reason they would make it a PS4 webserver is that they aren't able to scale their own infrastructure up enough before launch.
That isn't a permanent problem, and they said it might possibly change in the future.
But it is certainly not a good sign of their cloud infrustructure.


You can. If you open whatever port the PS4 is using on your router.


We do know you can remote purchase on Xbox One.
Xbox One acts as a client to a cloud service, it can open a connection to an external server no problem. Smartglass also act as a client to a cloud service.
PS4 is an intermediate server between PS App and PS servers, you'll have to mess with your routers port security to access it thru an external host or else your router will block your request to the PS4 web server.


Yep. That's it tho.
Smartglass does the same thing but with wifi direct if you're near your Xbone.

Link?

I've never seen it confirmed that you can remote-start downloads.

You are also making a TON of unsubstantiated assumptions in that post.

 

[Skeff]

I thought it handled installs like PS3, whereby it doesn't install the whole disk just a portion of it, but instead of having to do it upfront you do it as you play.

It would likely install everything but pre rendered cut scenes, which would only require the same drive speed as Blu Ray playback

 

[XeNoN89]

Would this mean all games are required for download?

Yes. We already know all PS4 games have a mandatory install. The disc is used only for DRM purposes after the initial install.

 

[v1lla21]

Have a ps3 slim since it came out and I've never had fan noise problems, just the disk drive. Doesn't bother me all that much since I use a headset and can't hear things lol. As long as it doesn't over heat it's fine with me.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Because they don't have enough bandwidth to support the PlayStation app functionality, so the PS4 has to act as a webserver.
If you wanna use your PlayStation app outside of your home you'll have to mess with your router settings, not a very commercial friendly design choice.

What are you on about? It makes a thousand times more sense to use the actual PS4 as the server if it's what you are actually connecting to. Why would you need to toy with your router again?

 

[FlyStarJay]

A fan that can spin at a variable rate, so it can spin exactly fast enough as the heat requires.

The PS3 had fans that had like three or four different speeds and it switched between them when necessary. The one moment your PS3 is super silent, and the next moment it sounds like a vacuum for an hour.

Means a fan that can change RPM in incremental steps. So say instead of two or three different RPM speeds, one low, one medium, one fast (and loud), the PS4's will have variable speeds (10%, 20%, 30% etc) and adjust based on the heat being produced instead of jumping from one extreme to the other. This method is far more efficient and noise friendly.

A fan with stepless speed control will raise the voltage of the fan gradually instead of in big increments, basically the fan will become noisier more gradually depending on the heat it has to counter instead of going from zzzzzz to WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO suddenly.

A stepped fan only has for example three speeds, 800, 1600, 2400. where as a stepless can run at any speed between 800-2400

Thanks for the excellent replies

 

[Boogalogist]

Does the HDMI out support Ultra HD? (or is capable of it eventually?)

 

[tipoo]

I'm kind of excited to see the heatsink and fan on the thing. The PS3 original one was massive, for the time and even now. Although the PS4 APU will need less cooling than the original Cell+RSX, I want to see the new Sony design.

The PS4′s cooling fan has a low noise level and stepless speed control (meaning that it will increase its speed to match heat smoothly and not in sudden steps like the one on the PS3).

This is also a nice detail, I hate how my Dell Studios fan only has 5 or 6 speed levels to "choose" from, rather than the gradual ramp up like modern Macs have.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Link?

I've never seen it confirmed that you can remote-start downloads.

You are also making a TON of unsubstantiated assumptions in that post.

Both machines will start remote downloads it sounds like.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-one-will-wake-to-remote-download-new-content

 

[AwRy108]

Well that certainly doesn't make me optimistic of Sony's cloud infrastructure.

...and why would you be? SONY has a lot to prove in this space and a lot of promises to deliver on; and if we've learned anything from the PS3's existence, then we should all be conditioned to expect the worst and then revel in whatever we get.

 

[Caronte]

I thought it handled installs like PS3, whereby it doesn't install the whole disk just a portion of it, but instead of having to do it upfront you do it as you play.

I don't understand why they don't let us install the whole thing. It's one of the things I liked the most about the 360.

 

[onQ123]

Did no one see this?!?

We need more info on this. If the Blu-Ray is actually playing movies or games not needed on the hard drive will it be louder? That doesn't sound like a plus.

If you are watching a movie the disc isn't going to need to spin that fast.

Xbox 360 DVD drive was 12X , PS4 Blu-Ray drive is 6X there isn't anything to panic about.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Would this mean all games are required for download?

No, when you first insert a Blu-ray disc and it begins to spin, it's louder because it's accelerating. The new Blu-ray player is faster so to reach it's maximum spin speed it has to accelerate faster too, hence it's louder 'initially' but then it will level out, as it does now.

 

[Madness]

6x blu-ray drive, with internal psu and fan ratcheting up to counter heat, this thing will definitely be louder than people are assuming.

What bothers people more, smaller form factor, or greater noise during operation?

The blu-ray drive will definitely be the noisiest part of the system and it all depends on how often it'll run or how the HDD caching will work.

The stepless fan sounds nice, but I can imagine within 30 minutes to an hour it will be working pretty hard. All stepless means is that it won't go from 0-60 like many computers or consoles have done in the past and was so jarring you'd notice. But that doesn't mean you won't hear it when it's spinning hard.  

 

[hawk2025]

Both machines will start remote downloads it sounds like.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-one-will-wake-to-remote-download-new-content

Yay thanks

 

[gofreak]

Re. the PS4 acting as a server for PS App, I think they're talking about in the context of second screen gaming with PS4 which the App provides an environment for.

Obviously in this case it is better for the App to talk directly to your PS4 than through the internet. The idea of using the net here is if you wanted to have multiple players doing that kind of gaming together/remotely, but for more standard second screen gaming there's no reason it would interface with your PS4 through a remote connection rather than a local one.

For store browsing/purchasing or pulling down information about your friends, messages etc. it will just communicate directly with PSN. The idea it would save bandwidth by going to your PS4 directly is incorrect; it wouldn't. Afterall, your PS4 would have to pull that data down from PSN anyway.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Nice. PS4 sounding better and better every time we hear about it

 

[GribbleGrunger]

what is a stepless fan please?

Instead of going up in steps of increasing speed, it increases smoothly from slow to fastest speed.

 

[Skeff]

6x blu-ray drive, with internal psu and fan ratcheting up to counter heat, this thing will definitely be louder than people are assuming.

What bothers people more, smaller form factor, or greater noise during operation?

The blu-ray drive will definitely be the noisiest part of the system and it all depends on how often it'll run or how the HDD caching will work.

The stepless fan sounds nice, but I can imagine within 30 minutes to an hour it will be working pretty hard. All stepless means is that it won't go from 0-60 like many computers or consoles have done in the past and was so jarring you'd notice. But that doesn't mean you won't hear it when it's spinning hard.  

FUD here FUD there FUD everywhere!

Read the thread all of your "issues" have been proven to be non-issues.

 

[nib95]

6x blu-ray drive, with internal psu and fan ratcheting up to counter heat, this thing will definitely be louder than people are assuming.

What bothers people more, smaller form factor, or greater noise during operation?

The blu-ray drive will definitely be the noisiest part of the system and it all depends on how often it'll run or how the HDD caching will work.

The stepless fan sounds nice, but I can imagine within 30 minutes to an hour it will be working pretty hard. All stepless means is that it won't go from 0-60 like many computers or consoles have done in the past and was so jarring you'd notice. But that doesn't mean you won't hear it when it's spinning hard.  

If it's quieter than the PS3, I don't think it really matters. Noise level on the PS3 has never really bothered me. I always thought the original 360 was a lot louder anyway, but both my Slims (PS3 and 360) are fairly quiet now. Never really notice them, so noise should be a non issue with the PS4. Plus a 6x speed Blu-ray drive is still going to be less noisy than most 12x speed DVD drives.

Point is, if it's smaller, has an internal PSU, is better designed, is more powerful, and is quieter than a PS3, that's a massive win. It looks like they got down both the small form factor AND less noise during operation, so we dont have to make that such a decision.

 

[Bluekaveli]

They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

People should get over this fact. Use PS3 media server to stream them, otherwise, you're out of luck.

Why?

 

[FlutterPuffs]

They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

People should get over this fact. Use PS3 media server to stream them, otherwise, you're out of luck.

My Sony TV does though, so there's still that slim chance it does.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Link?

I've never seen it confirmed that you can remote-start downloads.

You are also making a TON of unsubstantiated assumptions in that post.

edit: Apologies. Misunderstood

 

[Filthy Blood Junkie]

What the hell are you talking about?

I was just thinking that with a roughly 45-50 watt internal power supply and all the other parts that heat up inside the PS4, the possibility of overheating might exist.

 

[Tsundere]

The blu-ray drive will definitely be the noisiest part of the system and it all depends on how often it'll run or how the HDD caching will work.

Same with Xbox One right?

The stepless fan sounds nice, but I can imagine within 30 minutes to an hour it will be working pretty hard. All stepless means is that it won't go from 0-60 like many computers or consoles have done in the past and was so jarring you'd notice. But that doesn't mean you won't hear it when it's spinning hard.  

Power consumption will vary greatly depending on the performance of the game played.

It won't need to kick up as the power draw is variable. That in conjunction with the stepless fan will lead to better overall noise levels. Most (if not all) games will require installation anyway, so the disc spinning won't occur as much as you think.

 

[Zee-Row]

Every PS4 game has a mandatory install? Thats news to me.

 

[LittleJohnny]

So an internal PSU, much smaller then the bone and still quiet? Bravo Sony.

We won't know which solution will be quieter though so I would wait for comparisons before making comparisons to Xbone. Quieter than the PS3 isn't saying much, I don't even use it as a Blu-ray player anymore because it's too distracting when the fans speed up.

"The PS4′s cooling fan has a low noise level and stepless speed control (meaning that it will increase its speed to match heat smoothly and not in sudden steps like the one on the PS3)."

Looks like fans will speed up more smoothly (In smaller steps) than the PS3 which should help, but what happens when it heats up to a point where it needs the fan to be at a certain level that starts to bother?

 

[No Love]

Wow, 6x Blu-Ray drive is quite a bit faster than a 2x Blu-Ray drive, and way way faster than a 48x CD read speed or 16x DVD read speed.

6x 36 mbit/s = 27 megabyte/s, which is pretty damn good for optical media. This means installing games to hard disk drive will be much, much faster than it was on PS3, and I'm guessing will allow devs to install the game in the background as you play.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Excellent

 

[CREMSteve]

They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

People should get over this fact. Use PS3 media server to stream them, otherwise, you're out of luck.

PS3 Media Server is no longer being supported.

Switch to Universal Media Server.

 

[angrygnat]

My PS3 phat (80G) never was loud. I recently discovered the fan test. Now that's pretty noisy. If there ever was a time it was loud, was when I was playing Skyrim. Once in a while it would spin up to the point you'd notice it, but it was never so bad as to interrupt play. Now, if the PS4 is more quiet than that, I'd have to say that's a good thing. You want your console to look good, but you also want it to behave while its doing its work. It appears Sony has checked both boxes this time around.

 

[flyover]

I just hope that the fan doesn't go crazy while playing blu-ray movies like my PS3 did before it died. Last month. Ugh...

Yeah, Blu-rays are what ultimately killed mine. It's fixed now, but I'm still leery of putting another Blu-ray in it.

 

[kartu]

Noise level is "smaller", not quieter or lower?

Level can be... quieter? (I'd understand "lower") But then I'm not a native ES.

• Power consumption will vary greatly depending on the performance of the game played.
• The noise level of the console during operation is generally much smaller than it was on the PS3.
• The PS4′s cooling fan has a low noise level and stepless speed control (meaning that it will increase its speed to match heat smoothly and not in sudden steps like the one on the PS3).

Pre-order canceled!

Spoiler

Joking.

 

[gofreak]

Every PS4 game has a mandatory install? Thats news to me.

I don't think that's the case. Or at least I haven't seen it confirmed.

I think I have read that there is a caching layer for the BR drive, which transparently prefetches and caches data to a reservation on the HDD.

 

[Raistlin]

Stepless fan?


Niiiiiiicccccceeeee

 

[nib95]

We won't know which solution will be quieter though so I would wait for comparisons before making comparisons to Xbone. Quieter than the PS3 isn't saying much, I don't even use it as a Blu-ray player anymore because it's too distracting when the fans speed up.


Looks like fans will speed up more smoothly (In smaller steps) than the PS3 which should help, but what happens when it heats up to a point where it needs the fan to be at a certain level that starts to bother?

Do PS3's excessively heat up when playing a blu-ray movie? That is hardly resource intensive lol. I don't think my slim ever does...

The latter question could be asked about any console or electronics device with a fan ever. As long as it very rarely reaches that upper most limit (which step-less fans aid towards), it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[driver116]

I don't think that's the case. Or at least I haven't seen it confirmed.

I think I have read that there is a caching layer for the BR drive, which transparently prefetches and caches data to a reservation on the HDD.

I hope they give us the option though - like how the 360 handles installs.

 

[Femto.]

Sony was able to produce a unit much more powerful than the PS3, have less fan noise than a PS3, and keep a thin/sleek form factor?

Witchcraft I say!

 

[HammerOfThor]

I still have a launch day PS3 and every time the fans kick up I get a little freaked out my poor baby will pass on soon.

Stepless will make me happy 6 years from now with a PS4.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I was just thinking that with a roughly 45-50 watt internal power supply and all the other parts that heat up inside the PS4, the possibility of overheating might exist.

 

[ShapeGSX]

When does a PS3 ever excessively heat up when playing a blu-ray movie? That is hardly resource intensive lol.

My 80GB PS3 definitely cranked up the fan when playing a blu-ray. It's more intensive than you might think.

 

[Bossofman]

What are you on about? It makes a thousand times more sense to use the actual PS4 as the server if it's what you are actually connecting to. Why would you need to toy with your router again?

Have you ever used Amazon Cloud? or Steam? You don't need to open ports on your router to use those services, because they are in the cloud and your just a client. Now if you are Hosting the magic, you need a port open, like using Emule or P2P

 

[SolsticeZero]

They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

People should get over this fact. Use PS3 media server to stream them, otherwise, you're out of luck.

Many of Sony's blu-ray players support MKV now, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if MKV support was there.

 

[mrmickfran]

Since the Blu-Ray player is 6x instead of 2x in speed (like the one on the PS3 was)

So, does this mean faster loading times?

 

[nib95]

My 80GB PS3 definitely cranked up the fan when playing a blu-ray. It's more intensive than you might think.

Maybe only the fatter one's did/do it then. I only have a slim now so I can't compare, but I watch blu-rays on my slim all the damn time without that problem.

Playing GTA V did make the console fairly loud though.

 

[Rizsparky]

[*] The noise level of the console during operation is generally much smaller than it was on the PS3.

YES! My PS3 sounds like a jet engine.

[*] Since the Blu-Ray player is 6x instead of 2x in speed (like the one on the PS3 was) the initial spinning noise is actually louder, but that will be countered by using the hard disk drive.

NOO!

 

[GribbleGrunger]

So, does this mean faster loading times?

Yes

 

[Filthy Blood Junkie]

I guess I should look on the bright side of life? Idk what that pic means. But either way I give up. I wasn't trying to spread any fear or uncertainty. I thought it was a legitimate question. I am not a tech guy so please forgive me. *leaves*

 

[Celestial Mortal]

The PS4 will initially act as a stand-alone web server for the PlayStation App. In the future there’s the possibility of this to be expanded through the cloud, with the PS4 and PlayStation App interacting through the cloud, allowing cooperative play between multiple players.

Sony mentions the CLOUD !

The noise level of the console during operation is generally much smaller than it was on the PS3.

The PS4′s cooling fan has a low noise level and stepless speed control (meaning that it will increase its speed to match heat smoothly and not in sudden steps like the one on the PS3).

The Audio/Video performance (for movies and music) of the PS4 will target PS3 levels at launch, but will be improved through updates, for instance with the addition of 4K, as Sony is also an Audio/Video company.

Great points, these are. 4K through software update confirmed.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

That's pretty awesome. So long, updating time.

They should start pushing updates only during that time from now on.