The reflections aren't even unrealistic. I played with a thermal camera once and it can see reflections. So you have your hand in frame, which is warm. And then you have a shiny surface underneath. Even though that shiny surface isn't warm, it is lit up showing the reflection of my warm hand. So, one could assume the technology in the game is similar.
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The reflections aren't even unrealistic. I played with a thermal camera once and it can see reflections. So you have your hand in frame, which is warm. And then you have a shiny surface underneath. Even though that shiny surface isn't warm, it is lit up showing the reflection of my warm hand. So, one could assume the technology in the game is similar.
You'll probably be able to turn off the HUD since you can in almost all the KZ games. It may not work with no HUD.
This is an awesome post.
TheRealTalker
Banned
you could say that some people went a little too Deep Down
anyway I am more exited about the whole Helghast slums area
gives me a Brave New World vibe
ArkkAngel007
Member
I like the options it provides and that they're not passive/omnipresent features, but I'm actually hoping the game is sort of balanced with the OWL features in mind. In any case, I'm still going to have fun with it.
you could say that some people went a little too Deep Down
anyway I am more exited about the whole Helghast slums area
gives me a Brave New World vibe
The glimpses I've seen of the Helghast side of the wall give me a real 80's sci-fi feel. I love it.
Vire
Member
Do we know how much they showed of the single player in the previews? I'm hoping there is still much left to discover on our own...
I remember being bummed with Halo 4/God of War 3. They showed A LOT before hand.
Blade Runner to the maximum.
I remember being bummed with Halo 4/God of War 3. They showed A LOT before hand.
Blade Runner to the maximum.
While those screenshots prove there's something inherently wrong with that reflection tech for HUD's, if it weren't for the screenshot I would've never seen that. It may just be me, but when I'm shooting through walls and trying to evade 5 enemies with particles, debris, gunfire, etc. all around me, there's no way I'll have the time to see something like that. That goes for Forza as well. I'm going 120 MPH, how the hell am I gonna notice any of that?
you could say that some people went a little too Deep Down
anyway I am more exited about the whole Helghast slums area
gives me a Brave New World vibe
Looks like some portal 2 sections.
shouldn't even be in there cept maybe single player. I thought cod uavs were bad this is just ridiculous.
me too. i'm thinking i'll play a level or two of knack first just for the novelty of my first ps4 trophy being for knack
i've definately decided that i'm playing shadow fall singleplayer before anything multiplayer though
TheRealTalker
Banned
ref
Member
I agree with this.
It's a problem, but I highly doubt I'm going to notice it when I'm playing the game and hopefully having fun.
Even with Forza, I doubt I would notice it and it certainly won't take away from my enjoyment.
SniperHunter
Banned
I reaaly dont like that robot drone. It seems wayyy overpowered. Hope you can disable it :/
Vire
Member
Must not have played Halo 4. (Promethean Vision)
Not that I'm saying it's a good idea, but at least you can join matches with it disabled.
SniperHunter
Banned
I want to see some scientific proof of this.
Just don't give it any commands, I guess?
Glorified G
Member
This is a case of someone taking videogames way to seriously. You realize your getting emotional over pieces of plastic?
perineumlick
Member
you mean like this
Lol. This puts things in perspective.
its class based multiplayer so im sure if one class has see through wall vision, other classes will have something to make up for it
and at least you dont have to worry about unlocking stuff that may be overpowered
SniperHunter
Banned
That doesnt work. But i dont see an alternative :/
The only thing that seems OP to me is the X-Ray. Everything else seems useful and has cooldowns associated with them.
you mean like this
Thermal camera must have built in SSR.
you mean like this
That cat's eyes are white hot. He must have laser eyes. Only logical conclusion.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
you mean like this
Picture, no scientific big words to go with it, but definitely adds some validation.
I don't care..I've been ready for Killzone since 3 ended. Love the series. This game looks ridiculous.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Here you go: http://thermal-imaging-blog.com/ind...-impact-on-a-good-thermal-image/#.UmnhZyjsI0w
No, it isn't scientific, aside from it being based on documented observations.
Edit: And now for published work: http://www.windycityparanormal.com/Resources/flirthemographyVollmer_FINAL.pdf
you mean like this
WTF? How does that happen anyway?
SniperHunter
Banned
Umm no. If you put a wall in front of the kitten, you wouldnt see it reflecting on the ground....
And yes, i know thermal cams cant see through walls. X ray reflections are even more stupid
How is off-topic? My question was about a video that he posted here, and about his opinion.
Vire
Member
Are we seriously debating thermal vision reflections to prove shinn wrong?
Guys... let's move on.
Why Killzone Shadow Fall is almost 40GB (it used to be 290...)
Guys... let's move on.
Why Killzone Shadow Fall is almost 40GB (it used to be 290...)
TheRealTalker
Banned
the things you could find on google
reflected energy is quite interesting
of course with a wall over it it would become less visible/blurred such like the KZ pics which are set in the future you'd think thermal energy vision would go a long way
Wildarmsjecht
Member
I know they said you don't really need to play the previous games in order to enjoy Shadow Fall, but I really need to know who was in that pod at the end of 3.
And what happens to Stahl industries? The Stahl weaponry make a return..but...are they relics of the war? Is there a new playboy in the weapons game?
God I love this series.
And what happens to Stahl industries? The Stahl weaponry make a return..but...are they relics of the war? Is there a new playboy in the weapons game?
God I love this series.
havent played halo 4. at least you can filter it out.
maybe im just to old school for this. I hate multiplayer games that give gamers crutches. cod is the worst offender of this. the only cod I enjoyed was 4 before it just got ridiculous.
shinobi602
Member
This is probably the most 'next-gen' looking game out of anything else I've seen so far. You cray.
BLACK SSR MAGIC D:
gundamkyoukai
Member
How do you know they can't see thru walls 350 years into the future along with how x ray future tech works lol .
Back on topic i really dislike FPS games but this going to be the game to show off PS4 with going to have to make a choice .
SniperHunter
Banned
Because I'm getting BF4 after I get this.
COD looks ridiculously underwhelming, as usual.
TheRealTalker
Banned
also note that our current thermal technology could see heated objects through material but are somewhat premature in having such a focus intense vision without having a massive device
Edit: PIC doesn't load ;P instead here is another pic
now put this into context of KZ SF way into the 2300+ future
thermal vision could become way more sensitive even seeing reflected energy as well
Edit: If you want to see the tent analogy then google it with
thermal vision through walls
here you could see the users hand through the tent compared to the rest of his body
Edit: PIC doesn't load ;P instead here is another pic
now put this into context of KZ SF way into the 2300+ future
thermal vision could become way more sensitive even seeing reflected energy as well
Edit: If you want to see the tent analogy then google it with
thermal vision through walls
here you could see the users hand through the tent compared to the rest of his body
SniperHunter
Banned
The see through walls tech in killzone doesnt make any sense. If it were x ray, it would show us the entire room and the objects in there. It isnt thermal cam either (no body heat). So i an guessing nanomachines
WHOAguitarninja
Member
Not really. The heat signature of the person wouldn't be reflecting off of a place the person is not close to.
But this is really, really stupid. Every game that uses post processing reflections is going to suffer from this. Anomalies like this are a natural byproduct of doing effects in screen space. You can't perfectly eliminate every thing you don't want bleeding into the effect. The same is true for Ambient occlusion, and any other effect done in screen space.
You want nice diffuse reflections that behave correctly in reflecting proper lighting and shadows in the environment? The only performance feasible means to do that right now is SSR. It looks effing awesome 95% of the time and from time to time has some anomalies. SSR, like ambient occlusion, adds a lot of depth to the scenery. If getting rid of the anomalies means getting rid of SSR, then let the anomalies stay. I'll take the added surface dynamism and apparent scenary depth that comes along with SSR.
Really? Something in a videogame doesn't make sense? A gameplay mechanic isn't something that could be accurately recreated by currently existing technology? Is that really your argument?
NoirVisage
Banned
I love wallhacks/thermal vision in single player games, it made syndicates superior online co-op solo able, because the odds are stacked against you, being able to see where the enemies are and strategize is invaluable.. when you're a one warrior against an army, you use all the advantages you have, and I intend to.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
TheRealTalker
Banned
for all we know it could be a combination of his googles identifying a person over a object with the addition of thermal vision
seeing as thermal vision can also detect reflected energy
I wouldn't be shocked how accurate the sensor could be in the future in sensing both
SniperHunter
Banned
Great post!
I was joking about it not making sense, hence nanomachimes.... ;;p
WHOAguitarninja
Member
I'll tell you how the sensor works.
It's extremely sensitive to who gives a fuck. Seriously. It doesn't matter. Maybe it senses brain waves, or maybe the helghast just smell powerfully of doodoo and it picks up on that.
It's a mechanic that is clearly meant to be there to even the odds for you against groups of enemies who could otherwise have the drop on you thanks to levels that (thankfully) aren't designed as some sort of narrow cinematic tube. Maybe it'll work. Maybe it won't. Both cases are completely unimpacted by how plausible the technology is in the real world.
backbreaker65
Banned
Why are you guys trying to apply your science on the world of Killzone, it has it's on science based on the imagination of the developer and writers. So just stop it, half you dudes probably didn't finish highschool and doing elementary arguments about shit you have no clue about, just regurgitating information you have read or heard about.
Muppet of a Man
Member
Cryengine doesn't work like what? I am specifically referring to Cryengine as implemented in Ryse. Ryse is not an open world game. They just mentioned recently that they reduced Marius's model from 150k polys with LOD to 85k polys but with no LOD. They did this to maintain parity in asset quality between cutscene and gameplay sequences, as well as at different focal distances.