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[Ray Wonder]

Can someone list features XboxOne UI has over PS4 UI besides TV guide features and voice commands?

Snap, Easier profile switching, Looks to be quicker and smoother.. We don't know the full story as we haven't seen a full demo of the PS's Ui, but hands down the XB1's is better as of the information we have now.

 

[spannicus]

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[andycapps]

Those Xbone UI screens above are exactly what I hate about that type of design. Everything is fucking random.

The one screen that is useful, to me, is the screen where things are categorized into games, movies, apps, etc. Things are inconsistent in the UI, and Metro seems built for touch screen interface in mind and seems poorly suited for a TV screen, IMO. One big reason I haven't upgraded from 7 to 8 on my laptop.

 

[gruenel]

I want a command line retro mode for my console.

LOAD "KILLZONE",8,1

 

[fantomena]

I like it. I want it to be simple since I just gonna start up my PS4 and play a game or watch some Netflix. Not much more.

 

[blackflag]

Sounds good. I like a plain, simple ui.

 

[TheMillenaryTurtle]

TheKayle, mate, listen to me.
I don't know if it's still a sunny afternoon in Sicily now or if it's raining. No matter the weather though, just STOP posting and get some fresh air.
Run for a couple of kilometers around the first public park you find. It helps to burn endorphins, and I guarantee that you will feel much better after that.

Just...
stop...
please

 

[Live Free or Die]

U.I. looks great. Simple, fast, organized and elegant. No surprise coming from Sony.

 

[BlastProcessing]

good design is about also at how it look you talking about interface design ergonomy....and also this having submenus ....dosnt help a lots the human memory ..(that is one of the most important things in the ergonomy of a ui)

The entire point of sub-menus is to help with memory. Nested menus simplify an interface. The Xbox One also uses sub menus extensively. Honestly from a basic design standpoint, the two UI's are extremely similar.

If you prefer the Xbox One's design, that's fine, I won't tell you what you like or don't like, but you need to understand some basic design principles if you want to have a discussion about particulars.

ergonomic/well designed/fast/and with the wow factor ...i bet ms spent a lots of money/tests/time to develope metro....contrary to what ppl think

Who has, in any way, implied that Microsoft hasn't dedicated massive resources to Metro?

 

[xxracerxx]

I fear TheKayle may not make it past the PS4 launch.

 

[nynt9]

ergonomic/well designed/fast/and with the wow factor ...i bet ms spent a lots of money/tests/time to develope metro....contrary to what ppl think

Actually I used to work in UI design and Metro (not specific to Xbone but also to Win8 and WP8) is basically every item on the "do not do this in UI design" list. (Not graphic design but user interface design, working with stuff like Fitt's law etc)

Then again, this stuff isn't exact science so YMMV

 

[TheCanisDirus]

Actually I used to work in UI design and Metro (not specific to Xbone but also to Win8 and WP8) is basically every item on the "do not do this in UI design" list. (Not graphic design but user interface design, working with stuff like Fitt's law etc)

Exactly. How do some think it's appealing? Far beyond me. Maybe it's in the advertising?

 

[Donny]

TheKayle, mate, listen to me.
I don't know if it's still a sunny afternoon in Sicily now or if it's raining. No matter the weather though, just STOP posting and get some fresh air.
Run for a couple of kilometers around the first public park you find. It helps to burn endorphins, and I guarantee that you will feel much better after that.

Just...
stop...
please

 

[mjc]

Not as good as the X1's UI, but that's just my opinion. Anything is better than the goddamned XMB though.

 

[satam55]

Why is everything together in the same screen?

Is it like a "recently opened" screen? Or is everything really thrown together now?


Like when you have this on PS3 today:

photo     |  audio      |   video       |  game       |  PSN       |  internet
 
- cats      - Katy Perry    - Netflix   - Knack      - friends    - webbrowser
- holiday   - Rihanna       - HULU      - NFS        - Store
- party                                 - ResoGun
                                        - Skylanders
                                        - Tiny Brains
                                        - Warframe

It will become this on PS4?

Store | Knack | cat | HULU | Rihanna | webbrowser | Tiny Brains | Warframe | Katy Perry | holiday | ResoGun | NFS | Netflix | Skylanders | party

No. There are separate sections still for different types of content.

I bope you're right.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Actually I used to work in UI design and Metro (not specific to Xbone but also to Win8 and WP8) is basically every item on the "do not do this in UI design" list. (Not graphic design but user interface design, working with stuff like Fitt's law etc)

Some parts of Metro I like, especially the early stuff that really focused on typography. I actually though there were some innovative ideas there. But it has gotten so cluttered and dense. Now it gives me this vibe:

No bueno.

 

[kaching]

They haven't shown any different though and at this stage its seeming that what we've seen is what we're getting.

If there was any chance of something the PS4 could do to either match or beat XB1, we'd have seen a million articles and threads on it.

For all we know, the internet browser could be the only "app" (is it even an app in the same sense that a Netflix app is?) that can run concurrently (since its made by the people who built the OS), hence it being the only thing we've seen run concurrently.

Considering how cagey both MS and Sony have been in showing the full OS so far, I'm not really sure why you try to infer much of anything from what's been shown.

 

[nynt9]

Exactly. How do some think it's appealing? Far beyond me. Maybe it's in the advertising?

I mean, it looks nice to some. It fails usability metrics but aesthetically I can understand the appeal.

 

[StudioTan]

I'm a little confused by people saying it's fast and fluid, the first thing I noticed was all the hitching and slow loading. At 5:11 in the video he tries to access stuff below the Knack tile and the black appears first, then text pops in unelegantly a second later and then a second later the black boxes appear to the right. It looks very slow and clunky. Aesthetically it's fine, pretty basic and boring but functional. There is a lot of hitching throughout the video though.

 

[psrock]

Seriously, MS makes windows, Office and major software designs, there is no way Sony can ever match them in UI designs. Just like I expect Sony to outdo MS in the hardware design part. But, I need a fast, functional and problem free UI.

 

[Goodacre0081]

right now it looks like the Xbone is using a big chunk of memory to run that UI. PS4 is very basic and looks like it has more room to evolve.

anyone know the footprint each OS/UI uses on PS4 and XB1?

 

[gamechanger87]

right now it looks like the Xbone is using a big chunk of memory to run that UI. PS4 is very basic looks like it have more room to evolve.

anyone know the footprint each OS/UI uses on PS4 and XB1?

I think both are reserving 3GB for the OS.

 

[brickarts295]

Woah, that was fast, maybe even too fast for some GAFters in here.

 

[Dunlop]

Seriously, MS makes windows, Office and major software designs, there is no way Sony can ever match them in UI designs. Just like I expect Sony to outdo MS in the hardware design part. But, I need a fast, functional and problem free UI.

I've seen GAF posters with some incredible design concepts. This design isn't borne out of some hardware limitation like the PS3

 

[nynt9]

Seriously, MS makes windows, Office and major software designs, there is no way Sony can ever match them in UI designs. Just like I expect Sony to outdo MS in the hardware design part. But, I need a fast, functional and problem free UI.

Personally I think the new Office is a UI nightmare but this isn't the thread for that. It just makes common features harder to access and has unintuitive labels for ribbons and... nevermind.

I think the XMB is a simple UI that achieves the task and has no unnecessary flair (I love that) and the PS4 UI looks similar to that, usage-wise. I'm totally fine with that.

 

[PolarGamer]

The UI of the PS3 has always been pretty but without substance in my book (then again, I´m not an author and should probably keep quiet). Anyways. The PS4 will be mine.

 

[bob page]

It's very nice & minimal- it's a night & day improvement over the Vita UI.

Plus, I definitely prefer having a new UI to having something recycled like on the XB1 (I get that they're trying to unify the metro theme but it's a bit too similar to the 360's for my liking).

 

[weekend_warrior]

 

[family_guy]

Any vids of PS Store on PS4? Hoping it doesn't look like the PS3 one.

 

[wizzbang]

Or you could just say "xbox settings" "xbox load games" while your tv is off and kinect is on??

That's terrible argument against the rest of my post, it's about the entire UI and it's usability at all times, my point is showing it's so simple that it's usable due to it's predictability, consistency.

 

[gruenel]

Hahahha, bravo.

 

[TheLegendary]

Havent watched the full video but do they show App switching (between game and browser, video player, etc)?

 

[Superflat]

The UI of the PS3 has always been pretty but without substance in my book (then again, I´m not an author and should probably keep quiet). Anyways. The PS4 will be mine.

Weirdly I have the complete opposite opinion, lol. The PS3 UI is super bland looking, but I can get to wherever I want extremely quickly and efficiently.

Xbox1's UI looks slicker and has a more polished look than the PS4. But I don't know how much I'd enjoy using it because it navigating it looks like a mess.

PS4's UI has some hitching going on in the video and I'm not a big fan of the bright blue, but it looks better organized, and if it's a reworking of the XMB it'll be easy as hell to get to where I want.

There's still tons about both that we probably won't know till launch.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Why is everything together in the same screen?

Is it like a "recently opened" screen? Or is everything really thrown together now?


Like when you have this on PS3 today:

photo     |  audio      |   video       |  game       |  PSN       |  internet
 
- cats      - Katy Perry    - Netflix   - Knack      - friends    - webbrowser
- holiday   - Rihanna       - HULU      - NFS        - Store
- party                                 - ResoGun
                                        - Skylanders
                                        - Tiny Brains
                                        - Warframe

It will become this on PS4?

Store | Knack | cat | HULU | Rihanna | webbrowser | Tiny Brains | Warframe | Katy Perry | holiday | ResoGun | NFS | Netflix | Skylanders | party

No. There are separate sections still for different types of content.

You got any proof to this? Everything I have seen says that Goldrusher is 100% correct.

 

[wizzbang]

Oh god lord ♥ hahah

 

[wizzbang]

Seriously, MS makes windows, Office and major software designs, there is no way Sony can ever match them in UI designs. Just like I expect Sony to outdo MS in the hardware design part. But, I need a fast, functional and problem free UI.

This would be a logical conclusion and a completely reasonable asessment / argument to make if Microsoft hadn't already fucked up the UI on the Xbox 360 multiple times. Meanwhile Sony designed a simple, basic, reliable and fast UI and didn't fucking break it.

 

[VanWinkle]

Hahaha perfect

 

[Superflat]

You got any proof to this? Everything I have seen says that Goldrusher is 100% correct.

The page with game, web, and TV looks like a "homepage" screen. They reveal another bar above it in that video where it shows Notifications, Friends, Chat, Trophies, and System. What I'm guessing is that homepage will be a media XMB, and the bar above it is the system XMB. XMB-ception. But that's my guess.

 

[Stinkles]

I'm a little confused by people saying it's fast and fluid, the first thing I noticed was all the hitching and slow loading. At 5:11 in the video he tries to access stuff below the Knack tile and the black appears first, then text pops in unelegantly a second later and then a second later the black boxes appear to the right. It looks very slow and clunky. Aesthetically it's fine, pretty basic and boring but functional. There is a lot of hitching throughout the video though.

It would be premature to make judgments about final speed based on demos in public places. We are always wrestling with code and network conditions at events like that and they often have little bearing on final quality.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

It's fast, it's functional, it's minimal. People still complain.

 

[Dunlop]

This would be a logical conclusion and a completely reasonable asessment / argument to make if Microsoft hadn't already fucked up the UI on the Xbox 360 multiple times. Meanwhile Sony designed a simple, basic, reliable and fast UI and didn't fucking break it.

Pretty sure MS never broke any of their dashboards and I invite you to click on the Sony store icon, click on a trophy or try to invite a friend to a gomeon your PS3 and report back to me about how fast it is.

All of this stuff is subjective, if you like the PS4 UI then great.

Personally I think it is pretty uninspired, "safe" to the point of being almost lazy and it is clear why they waited so long to let anyone see it.

 

[EGM1966]

Looks okay for me. Fairly simplistic which is how I like a GUI. I'd hope customization levels become more decent though as I do like ability to tailor colours, etc. to my tastes which I gather isn't there at launch.

I've always been told by our marketing dept blue is safest coloru globally so I kind of get that palette but still, let me bolder or more pastel if I chose please.

 

[Grinchy]

I'll probably never buy a camera and won't be able to use that Playroom software, but that looked pretty damn cool.

 

[wizzbang]

Pretty sure MS never broke any of their dashboards and I invite you to click on the Sony store icon, click on a trophy or try to invite a friend to a gomeon your PS3 and report back to me about how fast it is.

All of this stuff is subjective, if you like the PS4 UI then great.

Personally I think it is pretty uninspired, "safe" to the point of being almost lazy and it is clear why they waited so long to let anyone see it.

I'm certainly not going all fanboy here and lying to myself, the PSN store, friends integration and trophies are definitely inferior to the 360, I simply couldn't deny that without a, looking like a fanboy or b, lying to myself.
None the less, the fundamental management of the unit itself, playing the games, accessing settings, playing back a video - stuff like that? It's simple, easy to understand and you can find it all the time because it's pretty much on the screen at all times.

MS "broke" their UI by changing it 3 times (or was it 4) making it too zoomed in and too flat. One of their changes was like the XMB but with an FOV of 15 - nice flat up and down layout but zoomed so far in you can't SEE what's around you.

 

[androvsky]

Why is everything together in the same screen?

Is it like a "recently opened" screen? Or is everything really thrown together now?


It will become this on PS4?

Store | Knack | cat | HULU | Rihanna | webbrowser | Tiny Brains | Warframe | Katy Perry | holiday | ResoGun | NFS | Netflix | Skylanders | party

I think what's going on is the bar that we've seen on the PS4 is the recently opened screen, and the mystery library icon on the right is where you'll actually find all your apps/games. And apps is all you'll have, since media will most likely be accessed through them instead having their own categories, like on the Vita and smartphones.

And I'm hoping the library icon works like Steam, where it shows everything you own regardless of if it's downloaded or not. Apparently Sony's new Bravia TVs already work exactly like that, down to the same icon that's on the PS4.

 

[Dunlop]

I'm certainly not going all fanboy here and lying to myself, the PSN store, friends integration and trophies are definitely inferior to the 360, I simply couldn't deny that without a, looking like a fanboy or b, lying to myself.
None the less, the fundamental management of the unit itself, playing the games, accessing settings, playing back a video - stuff like that? It's simple, easy to understand and you can find it all the time because it's pretty much on the screen at all times.

MS "broke" their UI by changing it 3 times (or was it 4) making it too zoomed in and too flat. One of their changes was like the XMB but with an FOV of 15 - nice flat up and down layout but zoomed so far in you can't SEE what's around you.

Like I said it is subjective, just drove me crazy when Sony did squat with their UI (because they were severely constrained) and the posts would be that they did not need to because it was perfect which it clearly is not

The PS4 UI looks like it does the job but I hoping this gen they will actually adapt and make changes as needed starting with an option to get rid of the endless sea of blue

 

[Guymelef]

Hahahaah.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

PS4 has default voice commands... don't even need the camera.

what do you speak into, the headset? that's kind of annoying, no?
if not the headset, how would this work when you are watching a loud movie. How is it supposed to hear you over the sound of the movie?

 

[wizzbang]

Like I said it is subjective, just drove me crazy when Sony did squat with their UI (because they were severely constrained) and the posts would be that they did not need to because it was perfect which it clearly is not

The PS4 UI looks like it does the job but I hoping this gen they will actually adapt and make changes as needed starting with an option to get rid of the endless sea of blue

I doubt there's many UI's in the world which would satisfy everyone unfortunately.
I do hope Sony fix the simple dumb things, MS was good at tying shit together. The store (IIRC?) was part of the core OS so it was quicker.

Friends / messages / invites was more integrated into submenus IIRC.
When you did use the store, similar items were grouped closer, like demo / scrreenshot / dlc.
Downloading a game, always grabbed the latest version. You didn't need to patch a game per patch either.

Definitely flaws in Sonys background stuff - but the simple frontend, I love the shit out of it, I feel like it's the easier one to make good because MS's one is just a convuluted flat mess.

 

[doby]

Overall I don't hate it, but I don't love it either.

The blue is way too garish, I'd be much happier with the time dependent gradients they have for the PS3. I'm hoping there are different colouration options at launch but nothing has been confirmed :/

Not really a fan of the menu layout, really hate how the game/recent/social menu gets shoved out the way for the system menu only for it to use a tiny amount of real estate. I realize its done this way so the icons can display text/images above, but only a few of them do this (as many are self explanatory) so it just leaves a big gaping hole of nothingness. I like that they've retained the XMB icons however.

Xbones UI looks far better, clean lines, nice transitions, good use of real estate and cool animated elements. I'm really not a fan of metro but it does just 'look' better than Sonys offering, more sophisticated for sure.