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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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Sakura
Member
Or it's just selling better than expected on Amazon. They've got stock at all the physical locations near me. They've also got stock of LBW on Amazon.com so it's not like Nintendo has a problem stocking big titles on there.
Same concept, different timeframe. He was not against the idea and constantly championed how much success Nintendo could have if they released an HD Wii.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Loved it
turnbuckle
Member
This is utterly depressing. Even if he's off by half it'd be abysmal. If 149k is anywhere close during November for Nintendo...
Dunno what they can do. Even my wildest fantasies of what I would like them to do wouldn't be feasible.
Dunno what they can do. Even my wildest fantasies of what I would like them to do wouldn't be feasible.
WrenchNinja
Member
Don't bring up trying talk about "sense" when you've been guilty of weird claims.
Now, perhaps someone can share sales numbers to clarify, but it appears to me that Wii U is practically dead in Japan and Europe. Seeing as NA is now Nintendo's sole remaining source of real income for this console...I think anything less than half a million is disastrous.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Amazon does not sell Nintendo hardware. They stopped over 1 year ago.
Edit: Never mind, I see the post you responded to mentioned $75 3D World.
They are selling 3DS now
Steve Youngblood
Member
I think the "different timeframe" undermines the credibility of this argumentation.
I honestly think a big chunk of the Nintendo base just went strictly handheld or something. I don't think 3rd party support was a factor because I don't think people buy Wiiu's to play Madden and Call of Duty. I have to yell at myself every day not to buy a Wiiu because I know it could be frustration from not being able to find a PS4. I do like Nintendo's tendency to produce games that know they're games, but I'm starting to largely fill that void via indie games and pretty much everything media molecule makes. I still might buy it, though. It'd be fun for me and my wife to play and even if they stop supporting it I'll have a pretty sizable backlog to play from Nintendo games I missed by going 4 generations of being exclusively Sony.
ab.aeterno
Member
Well, why are people wrong for saying that it needs to be north of 750k, during the busiest shopping time of the year, after the release of their highest profile game and a price cut and renewed marketing? At what point are people allowed to call it like they see it? It's been a year, with countless people saying to wait for Pikmin, price drop, Zelda, and lastly 3D Mario. If it's not turning around now, when do people stop saying to wait until calling it?
It comes across like "wait for the Vita's first Christmas!"
And what does "potential" even mean in concrete terms? How does it achieve this potential?
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Yeah, not really.
Which goes against him being "always against it"
family_guy
Member
The Wii U black Friday deals were terrible. 360/PS3 had game pack-ins and price drops. Wii U had mostly $50 gift cards if you buy one and no price drop.
That's just stupidity. You know it takes more than a fucking OLED screen to get people interested in a games machine. Games actually help and like it or not the Vita doesnt have the library which people actually care about.
Your logic means the Nvidia Shield should be king of the tree as its only about specs.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Killing the Wii U before 2016-2017 in favor of launching a new home console would screw over their credibility with pretty much everybody. Nobody's going to want to make games for your platform or buy your platform if they're not confident that you're going to support it for at least 4-5 years. They killed Virtual Boy quickly, yes, but they didn't ask people to buy a new and improved version right after that, they just decided it was an evolutionary dead-end.
The fact that it would kill credibility with third parties even further is important, as pretty much the only reason why Nintendo would need power parity with PS4/XBone is to be able to take multiplats. Nintendo itself certainly isn't interested in taking advantage of that much power.
Their two viable moves at this point are:
A)Stay the course, maybe drop the pad to accelerate price drops. Wii U would pretty much only be bought to play Nintendo games, and long-term would be another Gamecube, success-wise. Take another shot at competing next generation.
B)Kill the Wii U and focus on the more successful portable business.
I think the right call really depends on if Nintendo honestly beleives it's worth trying to compete with the other home console makers next gen.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
It doesn't look like they are. XL and 2DS are fulfilled by Amazon, but not directly sold by them.
Expecting a million in sales for it to be viable! Only fools would think a console which is selling worse than the Gamecube did, and with no markets left but North America, would need to sell so many during its second holiday period to remain viable! Clearly it will do fine selling less than half a million units. Clearly Nintendo will eek out a mighty profit from this venture yet.
Majukun
Member
that doesn't mean it can't be done well.
also..the alternative seems a portable only nintendo..and it's not a good news either
And why hasn't Nintendo worked out a deal with the nation's largest online retailer to sell the Wii U?
iamgamegenie
Neo Member
I purchased the Zelda bundle last month and I'm super happy with it.
Picked up Rayman Legends , ZombieU and Mario 3d World, the games look great, are really fun and off screen play is freaking awesome! Its a shame a lot of people aren't jumping in on this thing.
I don't regret the purchase at all.
Picked up Rayman Legends , ZombieU and Mario 3d World, the games look great, are really fun and off screen play is freaking awesome! Its a shame a lot of people aren't jumping in on this thing.
I don't regret the purchase at all.
RobFox64tm
Member
What I can't understand is the attitude that Nintendo should stop making consoles, or go third party. There's no way a software only Nintendo would be able to maintain the quality they've lived up to thus far; that depends greatly on those extra revenue streams. Have gamers become so jaded they'd rather see Nintendo's quality games cease to exist than to buy their hardware? I'm constantly hearing "I want game X, but I won't buy a Wii U for it alone." If everyone that said this would actually jump on the hardware, the user base would increase, third parties would see a viable market, and more games these people want would appear on the platform. It's all a sad state of affairs and I honestly fear where Nintendo will go from here.
That list makes me feel a little better.... I still think Pachter is off here.
Unless we have a turnaround like 3DS did...What will Nintendo do?
Really. I want to know and please don't say "go 3rd party".
Sales look worse than Gamecube at the moment and it doesn't look like they are going to get any better even with such a strong line up of games for the holiday season. I'm a Wii U owner and I desperately want this system to sell.
But what is Nintendo going to do? Support it for 2 years, pump out 1 Zelda, 1 Metroid and 1 more Mario game and be done with it? (and smash bros + kart). If so, most regrettable purchase in the history of my 26 years of being on this earth.
Really. I want to know and please don't say "go 3rd party".
Sales look worse than Gamecube at the moment and it doesn't look like they are going to get any better even with such a strong line up of games for the holiday season. I'm a Wii U owner and I desperately want this system to sell.
But what is Nintendo going to do? Support it for 2 years, pump out 1 Zelda, 1 Metroid and 1 more Mario game and be done with it? (and smash bros + kart). If so, most regrettable purchase in the history of my 26 years of being on this earth.
Jonsoncao
Banned
Pachter's estimate was poor recently.
16 gaffers nailed the sales number better than him in 2012 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506084&page=5)
18 gaffers are better him in predicting the sales number ytd (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=708794&page=3)
16 gaffers nailed the sales number better than him in 2012 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506084&page=5)
18 gaffers are better him in predicting the sales number ytd (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=708794&page=3)
Well, we know that Wii U is up against two new and clearly popular next-gen consoles. It also up again old consoles which provide a bigger library of games. Lastly, it is up against a resurgent 3DS which is far more appealing even for people who really like Nintendo. If I could choose between getting a Wii U or a 3DS, hell even a 2DS, I would choose the latter without question. I would prefer it even at the same price as Wii U.
Taking all of the above into consideration, managing to sell half a million units would be an encouraging sign that Wii U is at least still alive.
Manmademan
Member
nope. wii is beyond dead.
from last month's NPD:
Highly unlikely the wii outsells the wiiU, but both numbers are terrible.
Nintendo is totally irrelevant in the console space right now.
edit: just to illustrate:
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I think NINTY really missed a huge opportunity to lock up it's userbase
Think about it for a second, how the others hold their bases
MS brought you Live, offered you a service that made your online experience be as smooth as possible, gave you features other didn't offer, made you prefer paying for the right to play MP
Now with X1, it's using it again to push it's service + console forward and taking it's base with it to the next one
Sony went free route, but then used PS+ as their trojan horse
They have locked you into annual subscription which on it face value feels like and is a goddamn fucking steal of the century
You have access to 3 platforms that give you free games on a monthly basis
You get cookie crumbed into giving in, cause slowly but surely, you see it's not a ruse
NINTY on the other hand friend codes, online eshop all over the place, not one dedicated account system setup to make it easier for their base to move around in their eco-system (it might change now, but it took till Nov 2013 for NINTY to merge everything...)
The region locking, retailer squabbles, games being held hostage, etc.
Seriously how many missteps does a company need to take before they go, why on earth do we keep tripping?
You can't keep buying new shoes to hide those broken ankles, need surgery to fix them fuckers ASAP
Think about it for a second, how the others hold their bases
MS brought you Live, offered you a service that made your online experience be as smooth as possible, gave you features other didn't offer, made you prefer paying for the right to play MP
Now with X1, it's using it again to push it's service + console forward and taking it's base with it to the next one
Sony went free route, but then used PS+ as their trojan horse
They have locked you into annual subscription which on it face value feels like and is a goddamn fucking steal of the century
You have access to 3 platforms that give you free games on a monthly basis
You get cookie crumbed into giving in, cause slowly but surely, you see it's not a ruse
NINTY on the other hand friend codes, online eshop all over the place, not one dedicated account system setup to make it easier for their base to move around in their eco-system (it might change now, but it took till Nov 2013 for NINTY to merge everything...)
The region locking, retailer squabbles, games being held hostage, etc.
Seriously how many missteps does a company need to take before they go, why on earth do we keep tripping?
You can't keep buying new shoes to hide those broken ankles, need surgery to fix them fuckers ASAP
KillerMan91
Member
Yeah, not really.
Which goes against him being "always against it"
You are missing fiscal years 12 and 13 that were not so rosy anymore for Nintendo (they made operating loss during both). During FY11 they still had DS and Wii making money.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
"Rectum?? Barely even sold 'em!!"
kobashi100
Banned
move to 3DS ASAP.
Fourth Storm
Member
If true, Nintendo should ride it out until Zelda in 2015 and then call it quits on the console. Have a new console ready for 2016, ditch BC (the eDRAM and custom PPC is too pricey), and don't repeat the same mistakes again.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I personally think it's unfair to suggest that the notion of him being FOR a Wii HD concept when the Wii was still at it's prime should automatically denote that he automatically must have been for the Wii U once it was finally revealed at E3 2011 with a release date 18 months off.
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Diggeh
Unconfirmed Member
Poor thing. Making the main first party games $60 doesn't exactly help the cause either.
When you say still alive, do you mean kind of not dead, like a Zombie?
What kind of logic is this
Yeah, not really.
Which goes against him being "always against it"
It's funny that these Nintendo graphs always end in 2010.
TC McQueen
Member
You're assuming that they have any credibility left, which is definitely something worth questioning when all the third parties jumped ship between launch and now.
They also weren't very rosy for Sony either who had to sell buildings last fiscal year.
Obviously that matters and he's stated that he thought it was 18 months late, but the general idea of the console is not something he was always against.
The alternative is Nintendo manning up and putting those Wii/DS profits towards repairing all the mistakes they made since their decision to go with carts on the N64. Or finding another attractive novelty akin to motion controls for their next console, this time making sure it doesn't eat too much into the manufacturing budget like the Gamepad. Maybe even a combination of both, which would be ideal.
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