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PSVR will pass through 4K but not HDR to your 4KTV
- Thread starter Marty Chinn
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Marty Chinn
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It sounds to me that you're trying to shoehorn everyone into a setup that should have guaranteed one open extra HDMI port for this scenario and that people should have anticipated it. Who are you to define that I have too many things hooked up?
The only thing that's ridiculous here is the lengths you are going to, to find some way to fault people for having a problem with this just because you don't.
Looks like I'll need a dedicated high speed hdmi cable plugged into the HDR compatible input of my TV at all times. When I feel like playing 4K HDR stuff, will have to plug that cable into the back of the PS4 Pro.
If Sony knew they'd be pushing HDR a year out, you'd think they'd get the PSVR screen and connections HDR ready. Current LG OLED screens can look good in HDR while only producing maybe a third of the peak brightness of top end FALD LCD screens. That breakout box should be tone mapping HDR10 down to a 700 nit OLED in the PSVR through HDMI 2.0a connections.
Perhaps HDR and VR produce too much eye strain when combined? Nah.
If Sony knew they'd be pushing HDR a year out, you'd think they'd get the PSVR screen and connections HDR ready. Current LG OLED screens can look good in HDR while only producing maybe a third of the peak brightness of top end FALD LCD screens. That breakout box should be tone mapping HDR10 down to a 700 nit OLED in the PSVR through HDMI 2.0a connections.
Perhaps HDR and VR produce too much eye strain when combined? Nah.
DangerMouse
Member
Wait...if you have ARC then you have a receiver, why are you connecting your components to the TV first? You're losing the losing the lossless audio. Is it a home theater in a box with the BD player doubling as the receiver then?
Otherwise the only time you should do this is if your receiver doesn't support 4K and HDR (like my now ancient one) in which case yeah you need to bypass it.
It'd be an even larger design oversight if it wasn't intended to be a passthrough box. Let's stick with Sony's being cheap here, it's the more generous option.
I can't tell if you're being serious at this point. Like I said, the NES handled this better in 1985, and you had to push a button on the unit to use it.
WouldYouKindly
Banned
The same way youre faulting sony? Because you are somehow incapable of switching cords because its a inconvenience to you? Im just saying everyones all up in arms about something thats not a problem.
If you care about 4K and NOT HDR then your priorities are greatly misplaced.
Marty Chinn
Member
Why have multiple HDMI inputs on a TV if all you need is one? You're wrong saying it's not a problem. It most definitely is a problem. How big of a problem will vary, but it is definitely a problem and a worse setup than having it simply pass through HDR.
Remember, it's switching cables every time you go between any VR app or game, and anything HDR like Netflix, Amazon Streaming, and many AAA games.
DangerMouse
Member
The only thing it was ever initially designed to pass through was clearly the social screen for multiplayer VR games (all of which will clearly max out at 1080p with no HDR, no one's making 4K VR games on a console let alone one with a 1080p built in screen). Not saying it's not silly or cheap that it doesn't seem to be able to pass-through HDR since it can pass through 4K, but passing through non-VR games (except for cinematic mode) was likely never considered its purpose. Still it's easy enough to get around it.
You mean mentioning that this is a stupid move by Sony once, and then letting some people know why their proposed solutions to this issue aren't really doable for everyone, as opposed to continually mentioning that people shouldn't have a problem with this over and over again with shifting goalposts and arguments. Yeah, totally the same thing.
EatinOlives
Member
It's DEFINITELY not worth investing in HDR right now, even without this PSVR issue. TV manufacturers themselves haven't even settled on a universal standard for what constitutes HDR-compliant video.
Ohh yeah that's itBasically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2S4 HDR signal"
Oh and you can put another splitter just before the TV to use only 1 HDMi channel (but you will need a splitter that can switch stream instead).
Mmmm yeah
Fuckin' love needlessly complicated splitter/converter setups. Reminds me of the good old PS3 to 2.1 situation.
I use one of these at the moment:
3 HDMi in, 1 out, button on top switches between the 3 sources.
So stick that into the blue diagram just before the TV. Obviously you need to press the button so might not be convenient depending on your setup (I play at a desk).
I almost want to get an HDR screen just to make that mess a reality.
3 HDMi in, 1 out, button on top switches between the 3 sources.
So stick that into the blue diagram just before the TV. Obviously you need to press the button so might not be convenient depending on your setup (I play at a desk).
I almost want to get an HDR screen just to make that mess a reality.
Shane89
Member
lol
Edit: NVM I get what you're saying. This would be the second switch in the whole setup. But yeah, it'd have to support HDR.I use one of these at the moment:
3 HDMi in, 1 out, button on top switches between the 3 sources.
So stick that into the blue diagram just before the TV. Obviously you need to press the button so might not be convenient depending on your setup (I play at a desk).
I had heard but didn't think much about it. I was always thinking that wireless audio would be the same as it is now. Makes sense though.
CyberChulo
Member
That means I have to get a splitter.
CarbonFire
Member
I use one of these at the moment:
3 HDMi in, 1 out, button on top switches between the 3 sources.
So stick that into the blue diagram just before the TV. Obviously you need to press the button so might not be convenient depending on your setup (I play at a desk).
I almost want to get an HDR screen just to make that mess a reality.
That little switch also doesn't support 4k HDR, so you're going to need a new HDMI switch.
I should have quoted the diagram I was talking about:
You are right that the HDMi splitter shown here needs to be "1 in, 2 out". I was talking about adding a "2 in, 1 out" HDMi switch just before the TV, which may or may not be more convenient depending on your setup / how many HDMi channels you have available.
Also true. I've tried a few similar switches and they all seem very cheap, no idea if any support HDR.
f@luS
More than a member.
Quoting myself. Is it correct ?In order to get hdr PS4 and psvr connected to tv the only way is like this ?
(Sorry iPhone note drawing ...)
But if I don't have anymore HDMI in available on my tv I would need a second switch to switch between the first switch and the psvr am I right ?
If so it's crazy complicated. Better just put the psvr in the tv and plug off PS4 and switch cable when needed like this
Chittagong
Gold Member
Ridiculously stupid. PS4 is not a HDR console for me then, can't be arsed to go through the hassle
Marty Chinn
Member
Splitters that support 4K HDR are apparently not common, nor cheap.
It's correct, although the switch by the PS4 should actually be a splitter.
f@luS
More than a member.
Still overall for me as I have no more hdmi IN the best option is to switch cable manually ... when I use psvr. It's not THAT annoying as to go psvr means grab headset and so on so I can take 5sec to switch cable. It's still not the most convenient way
That's honestly going to be the only option for a bunch of people, because finding an HDMI splitter that currently supports HDR is damn near impossible. They're out there, but the money they cost is nearly as stupid as the oversight that's causing this problem.
HDMI splitters that are HDR compatible barely exist.
Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Ok maybe this is kind of fucked
Marty Chinn
Member
Except for the fact that HDMI splitters that support 4K HDR aren't widely available or cheap. Plus it's pretty annoying to swap cables constantly and HDMI ports aren't designed for constant swapping. How many people here unplug their consoles and put them away when they're done? If you don't, why don't you? Because it would be annoying?
Alebrije
Member
Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
All these years and we have not developed a technology that eliminates all the wires. As a minimalist clean room areas fan , wires are the worse enemy of flexibility and clean areas.
That image looks like a mess.
f@luS
More than a member.
It's annoying but it's a Vr headset. You need to get in position , grab it and so on. Few more second isn't a big deal to swap cable. though hdr passthrough would be better
I don't understand one thing. HDMI that allows 4K can work with hdmi 1.4 but not at 60hz. If here you can use 60hz2160p why no hdr ?
mario_O
Member
Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Wow. Crazy how many cables and stuff are needed.
Marty Chinn
Member
It's not so easy to get access to the back to swap cables constantly. Disconnecting the VR headset is easy because it connects in the front. Anyone who puts theirs in a cabinet is going to have to pull it out or reach blindly all the time.
Same thing as the pspro will not support 4k blu ray thread. A bunch of people with basic set ups using the tv speakers and 1080p tvs saying, "duuhhhh I don't use the four kays! This is a non issue, dolby atmos? That's just for millionaires! Hurrr!"
First of all, millions of people in the US own HDR displays, that's why sony is pushing 4k hdr with the pro. That's why Forza and NBA2k support HDR. That's why Deus Ex got a patch today to support HDR.
Second of all, HDMI splitters that would eliminate this specific problem don't exist as far as I know, and if they do they're upwards of 200 dollars.
Why do people who don't own 4k HDR displays try to speak for the people who do? You literally have no experience with these things.
Wireframe
Member
I'm not even in the US and I recently got an LG OLED display. With the splitter issue I think I'll just take the hit on the 4k only passthrough and if I absolutely wanna experience HDR I'll swap over a pre-routed HDMI cable from my XBONE or Wii U.
Weird oversight, but it seems like HDR passthrough is still a tricky thing in these early days. It's really a strangely underdeveloped tech for how strongly it's being pushed right now.
LOL.
LOL.
Frankfurter
Member
Well now thats just stupid.
I wouldn't say "solved" when it require two HDMI on your TV (or and additionnal automatic switcher) and I'd like to know how it handle HDCP, because those splitters are usually bad with HDCP (because it messes with the handshake)Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Well, the specification about the Electric-Optic Transfer Function for *CRT* has been officially defined in... 2011.
You can expect something clear specifications for HDR content circa... 2120?