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LukasTaves · Mar 1, 2017

Ms just announced on GDC that their mixed reality apis will come to xbox one and scorpio in 2018. These apis are part of their uwp platform and it will allow both games and apps to use VR or AR.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...-dev-kits-shipping-month/#XqBhLxrC3BpLEyD6.97

This basically confirms support for Vive, Oculus and many others for scorpio, but I have no idea how they are expecting xbone to handle it though (perhaps just apps and less intensive games?)

Zedox · Mar 1, 2017

It doesn't confirm support...it just says that those devices have the ability to use those APIs.

All in all, good news.

Bsigg12 · Mar 1, 2017

Zedox said:
It doesn't confirm support...it just says that those devices have the ability to use those APIs.

All in all, good news.

From Microsoft

Our plan is to bring mixed reality content to the Xbox One family of devices, including Project Scorpio, in 2018.

MosquitoSmasher · Mar 1, 2017

Best to get this out now and hopefully not too much focus on VR and AR during E3.

Maximilian Kolbe · Mar 1, 2017

So i guess why they delete the VR part in Scorpio page is because it won't be ready when Scorpio launch.

MosquitoSmasher said:
Best to get this out now and hopefully not too much focus on VR and AR during E3.

It will be more surprising if they focus on VR/AR in E3.

Hoo-doo · Mar 1, 2017

2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

killatopak · Mar 1, 2017

I wonder how it would fare compared to PS VR.

On pc you could brute force VR to display amazing visuals. PS4 and Pro is significantly weaker but PS VR allowed it to utilize the machine more effectively since it's built from the from the ground up to work with the consoles.

Exciting news nonetheless. This means the rumor that MS dropped VR on Scorpio is put to rest.

Zedox · Mar 1, 2017

Bsigg12 said:
From Microsoft

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I was talking about Vive and Oculus.

EvB · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

Nope, they scrubbed VR from marketing materials (likely after seeing how PSVR has gone down so far)

nekkid · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

It was when people gave a shit about VR.

Sulik2 · Mar 1, 2017

The Scorpio is sounding more and more like its going to be a locked down Windows 10 PC and not a separate game console running a specialized version of Windows 10. Which will be very interesting if true, especially once modders take a look at it.

Samurai G0SU · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

UHOH SCORPIO DELAY INCOMING!?!?!?!? GRAB THE FANS FOR THE FLAMES INCOMING!

DarkConfidant · Mar 1, 2017

Can't wait to see those alternate reality ~~games~~ APIs!

Not sure if this actually means anything concrete for Xbox.

LukasTaves · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

It is but apparently they are a little late to launch with their apis.
Like the guy above said, probably why they removed from their page.

franklyshankly · Mar 1, 2017

DarkConfidant said:
Can't wait to see those alternate reality ~~games~~ APIs!

Not sure if this actually means anything concrete for Xbox.

I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a device that doesn't exist?

MysteryM · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

It's real easing late 2017. Is 2018 potentially that far from launch?

leeh · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a sevice that doesn't exist?

What? No. It's barely got going.

nekkid · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a sevice that doesn't exist?

It's dead for gaming. It's increasingly more relevant in industry.

Bsigg12 · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a sevice that doesn't exist?

No? Hololens is still very clearly aimed as an enterprise device currently. They're beginning to expand what is capable with Windows Holographic and that's where this announcement comes from.

franklyshankly · Mar 1, 2017

leeh said:
What? No. It's barely got going.

Really? I swear I remember reading they were shelving the project.

LukasTaves · Mar 1, 2017

Sulik2 said:
The Scorpio is sounding more and more like its going to be a locked down Windows 10 PC and not a separate game console running a specialized version of Windows 10. Which will be very interesting if true, especially once modders take a look at it.

Ms seems to be headed to that direction, even for phones.

Exciting times ahead.

12Dannu123 · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a device that doesn't exist?

HoloLens isn't dead?.........

HoloLens V3 coming out in 2019 doesn't mean it's dead.... perfectly reasonable that we will have OEMs bring out HoloLens clones.

Caayn · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
Really? I swear I remember reading they were shelving the project.

They shelved the plans for V2 to skip directly to V3.

https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/90780/microsoft-accelerates-hololens-v3-development-sidesteps-v2

Nzyme32 · Mar 1, 2017

LukasTaves said:
Ms just announced on GDC that their mixed reality apis will come to xbox one and scorpio in 2018. These apis are part of their uwp platform and it will allow both games and apps to use VR or AR.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...-dev-kits-shipping-month/#XqBhLxrC3BpLEyD6.97

This basically confirms support for Vive, Oculus and many others for scorpio, but I have no idea how they are expecting xbone to handle it though (perhaps just apps and less intensive games?)

Does it? I don't see any APIs listed. MS are also not on board with OpenXR either, so this seems unlikely, for Vive / Rift / other OpenVR HMDs.

franklyshankly · Mar 1, 2017

Caayn said:
They shelved the plans for V2 to skip directly to V3.

https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/90780/microsoft-accelerates-hololens-v3-development-sidesteps-v2

Interesting. Will be cool to see what they eventually do with it then.

LukasTaves · Mar 1, 2017

DarkConfidant said:
Can't wait to see those alternate reality ~~games~~ APIs!

Not sure if this actually means anything concrete for Xbox.

The link says they are already starting taking submissions for vr games through id@xbox.

It's happening.gi

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a device that doesn't exist?

Bsigg12 said:
No? Hololens is still very clearly aimed as an enterprise device currently. They're beginning to expand what is capable with Windows Holographic and that's where this announcement comes from.

Ms has skipped HoloLens v2 and is already developing v3 which is aimed for consumers. But it will come only in 2019.

leeh · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
Really? I swear I remember reading they were shelving the project.

Nope. It's pretty much enterprise prototype tech which is far from being as established to become mass produced and cheap enough todo so.

Once it matures and starts being more cost effective, you'll start seeing in trying to enter the consumer market.

Even though VR is fantastic, I personally think AR like Hololens will become bigger, as it has more purpose. Mixing virtual with reality just has endless more functions.

rokkerkory · Mar 1, 2017

I like fake reality

Sounds like good stuff on the real. I wanna see demo of Fall Out

LukasTaves · Mar 1, 2017

Nzyme32 said:
Does it? I don't see any APIs listed. MS are also not on board with OpenXR either, so this seems unlikely, for Vive / Rift / other OpenVR HMDs.

Their mixed reality apis supports those headsets, if that's what they are bringing to Xbox makes no sense to not support it (specially since one of the strengths of uwp is a common accessories support)

12Dannu123 · Mar 1, 2017

Nzyme32 said:
Does it? I don't see any APIs listed. MS are also not on board with OpenXR either, so this seems unlikely, for Vive / Rift / other OpenVR HMDs.

OpenXR is software based. Microsoft in a way can bypass OpenVR and Oculus Home, since Windows Holographic is a OS Shell and not an application and an HMD will recognise an OS level feature over an application feature.

CuckFupertino · Mar 1, 2017

What's an Apis?

Trago · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

I imagine they're working out some kind of deal with either Oculus or HTC, otherwise it'd be ready for launch. There are lots of VR games available already.

N.Domixis · Mar 1, 2017

Hoo-doo said:
2018?

I thought it was one of the pillars of project Scorpio? Bringing high-fidelity VR to consoles?

They were marketing VR just in case PSVR was a console seller but it flopped so now they don't care as much.

DevilSnake · Mar 1, 2017

Vive on a console would be great. It's expensive, but it's amazing, deserves a bigger fanbase.

JaggedSac · Mar 1, 2017

franklyshankly said:
I mean isn't HoloLens dead? What can even be done with the API for a device that doesn't exist?

Actually, they are planning a v2 in 2019. They were going to release in 2018, but no competition in AR segment let them take longer.

https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/90780/microsoft-accelerates-hololens-v3-development-sidesteps-v2

tiredheadcrab · Mar 1, 2017

I wonder how that Acer headset compares to the big 3 vr headsets.

MightBeMagic · Mar 1, 2017

EvB said:
Nope, they scrubbed VR from marketing materials (likely after seeing how PSVR has gone down so far)

With nearly a million sold in 4 months, and it being a £350 add on to a £300 console, I would say its gone down very well considering.

The tracking solution is awful, but patents suggest a vive fix is being planned.

We just need to have good first party games for it.

Its selling better than both the other vr solutions combined and its the only mass market option that isnt mobile based so its in our interests for it to succeed

Trace · Mar 1, 2017

EvB said:
Nope, they scrubbed VR from marketing materials (likely after seeing how PSVR has gone down so far)

PSVR has done extremely well just FYI.

MightBeMagic · Mar 1, 2017

DevilSnake said:
Vive on a console would be great. It's expensive, but it's amazing, deserves a bigger fanbase.

Sony patented a very similar solution. Given its open source anyway I think they know Move tracking is not good enough and PSVR 2 should incorporate it

Trago · Mar 1, 2017

One thing I'm wondering is if any of the first party studios will support any VR hardware.On one hand I think it'd be cool if a studio tried their hand at the tech, but on the other, I don't want any more studio closures if such a game flops like Guerrilla Cambridge.

cakely · Mar 1, 2017

Reading through the link:

We're also excited to share that Windows Mixed Reality experiences will light up on other devices over time, beyond desktop and Microssoft HoloLens. Our plan is to bring mixed reality content to the Xbox One family of devices, including Project Scorpio, in 2018.

So, it sounds like we won't be seeing the XBO VR solution this year along with the Scorpio launch.

EvB said:
Nope, they scrubbed VR from marketing materials (likely after seeing how PSVR has gone down so far)

Heh, nice. Gotta work in a little slam against PSVR in there.

clav · Mar 1, 2017

After watching that video, first image popped in my mind.

Hiro_Kunimi_80 · Mar 1, 2017

tiredheadcrab said:
I wonder how that Acer headset compares to the big 3 vr headsets.

VR and MR ( mixed reality ) it's a different concept and a different products ( and very different price point )

the video it's kind of explicative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xpI0JosYUk

HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer will bring the base specification of MR on their own visor

the Acer product will be the first to be released to the market, around during 2H of 2017
others will follow of course, but they should be all more or less aligned with Microsoft specs at least for the first release of MR products

the 2018 it's about bringing native MR contents ( game / dashboard support) to Xbox family , Pc will be of course the first Microsoft platform to support this devices

EvB · Mar 1, 2017

cakely said:
Reading through the link:

So, it sounds like we won't be seeing the XBO VR solution this year along with the Scorpio launch.

Heh, nice. Gotta work in a little slam against PSVR in there.

not at all, I was saying that PSVR is so damn successful that Microsoft just can't handle it.

Zvonimir Boban · Mar 1, 2017

N.Domixis said:
They were marketing VR just in case PSVR was a console seller but it flopped so now they don't care as much.

What is this nonsense?

You know Microsoft is more than just Xbox right? This announcement has fuck all to do with PSVR and competing with Sony.

Calm Killer · Mar 1, 2017

Trace said:
PSVR has done extremely well just FYI.

I think I saw where it had moved 900,000 units to date. Not really 'extremely well' IMO, but that is just me. I would think 50% adoption rate would be extremely well. Or are my numbers incorrect?

tiredheadcrab · Mar 1, 2017

Hiro_Kunimi_80 said:
VR and MR ( mixed reality ) it's a different concept and a different products ( and very different price point )

the video it's kind of explicative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xpI0JosYUk

HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer will bring the base specification of MR on their own visor

the Acer product will be the first to be released to the market, around during 2H of 2017
others will follow of course, but they should be all more or less aligned with Microsoft specs at least for the first release of MR products

the 2018 it's about bringing native MR contents ( game / dashboard support) to Xbox family , Pc will be of course the first Microsoft platform to support this devices

Ahh that video sums it up nicely. I like that idea actually.

Kaako · Mar 1, 2017

No VR solution at Scorpio launch you say? Hmmm let's wait a bit more on that.
Looking forward to their E3 press conference. It'll be intense.

MosquitoSmasher · Mar 1, 2017

Maximilian Kolbe said:
So i guess why they delete the VR part in Scorpio page is because it won't be ready when Scorpio launch.

It will be more surprising if they focus on VR/AR in E3.

Yup. It clearly isn't ready for launch anyway so why focus on it? And it's fine by me.

So chances are we wont be seeing Rift and Vive support but more their own headsets. Are these headsets on par with what's out there now or unknown yet?

12Dannu123 · Mar 1, 2017

EvB said:
not at all, I was saying that PSVR is so damn successful that Microsoft just can't handle it.

It's likely that Microsoft's VR platform will outsell PSVR. Why??

Because marketing and distribution. Something Oculus, Vive and Sony don't have.

Because Windows Mixed Reality is on both PC and Console and extra on Hololens. In theory, nothing needs to change when developing content, all content will work on all of them. By the time Scorpio VR launches, they will already have the content.

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