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Gfk Spain: 2012 Games Market Down 16%

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Road

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http://www.adese.es/adese/noticias/119
http://www.adese.es/images/pdf/balance2013_np.pdf
http://www.adese.es/images/pdf/balance2013okok.pdf

Physical only....

Software: € 428 million (-14%)
Hardware: € 297 million (-20%)
Accessories: € 97 million (-9%)

Total: € 822 million (-16%)

Software 12.743 million units (-15%)
Hardware: 1.492 million units (-22%)
Accessories: 5.031 million units (+0%)

Hardware:
- Home console: 777 thousand units (-25%)
- Portable console: 715 thousand units (-19%)

Software (millions of units):
- PS3: 3.925 (-4%)
- Wii: 1.977 (-28%)
- PC: 1.495 (-10%)
- X360: 1.448 (-11%)
- PSP: 1.310 (-29%)
- DS: 989 (-43%)
- 3DS: 871 (+72%)
- Vita: 308 (----)
- PS2: 288 (-55%)
- PC edutainment: 80 (-28%)
- WiiU: 52 (----)

Market comparison excluding accessories:
- UK: € 2.059 billion (-22%)
- Germany: € 1.957 billion (-9.2%)
- France: € 1.728 billion (-14.7%)
- Spain: € 0.725 billion (-16.9%)
 
T

Takao

Banned
Road said:
Software (millions of units):
- PS3: 3.925 (-4%)
- Wii: 1.977 (-28%)
- PC: 1.495 (-10%)
- X360: 1.448 (-11%)
- PSP: 1.310 (-29%)
- DS: 989 (-43%)
- 3DS: 871 (+72%)
- Vita: 308 (----)
- PS2: 288 (-55%)
- PC edutainment: 80 (-28%)
- WiiU: 52 (----)
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dat Invizimals?
 
J

Jburton

Banned
Apart from the obvious economic turmoil ongoing in Spain right now, and to the lesser extent the UK and the forgone downturn in expenditure in regards to nonessential items.


The other main contributor to the downturn in sales is that this is the longest gen in recent memory and technology stagnation has been an issue for awhile now, so much so that big publishers have been asking for next gen for the past two years or so.


You often see talk of core gaming is on the decline, I don't believe it ........ yes the fair weather gamers that jumped on the Wii are gone to pastures new like iOS and also many gamers now get their portable kicks there, but the core home console market is pretty much the same.


They might not be buying many games (there are to many games worth buying at the moment) or consoles (the core is saturated) but hey are still there ..... we just need machines to generate excitement and hype over the potential new treasures to be had with next gen consoles.
 
K

keit4

Banned
A lot of people from Spain buy games from the UK online retailers like amazon.co.uk, play or zavvi. Cheaper (~20€) and even faster for pre-orders. Surely this had some impact in these numbers.
 
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SpacePirate Ridley

Member
As other people say, considering spanish economy that doesnt seem that bad. I thought we were going to have worse numbers. People here still want entertainment, even if their economy is not that good.

Also 3DS software is better than last year, WiiU will probably do the same next, as they were consoles that were given birth in this bad economy, its easy for them to go up as each year passes.
Germany and france are also not too bad all things considered.
The bad thing here is UK. That 22 percent down is not good in the slightlest.
 
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grimshawish

Banned
Another European country where the 3DS is doing quite well. Highlighting the loss of the handheld market is no shrug for Sony; its a serious dent if Vita can't replace the PSP. Vita hard to judge but terrible software numbers.

Genrally Spanish gaming looks quite healthy. Compared to other European markets although its nowhere near as big.
 
G

grimshawish

Banned
KillerMan91 said:
Germany going to overtake UK this year. Pretty solid figures for Spain too considering their economy.
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Do wr have numbets for the same period? Would not surprise me if Germany > UK this first quarter.

2012 was very close for them and UK had a terrible start to the year.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Nice to see that the market for dedicated portable game consoles is still relevant in Spain.

PSP is still strong thanks to an affordable price (99€) and specially the PSP Essentials budget series.

777.000 units between PS3 + Wii + Xbox 360 + PS2 + Wii U.

Two years ago Wii sold 700.000 units and PS3 600.000.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Top 20 software (units):

01. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
02. PS3 FIFA 13 (MOVE) (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
03. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 (KONAMI)
04. WII JUST DANCE 4 (UBISOFT)
05. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
06. PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT)
07. 3DS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 (NINTENDO)
08. PS3 FIFA 12 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
09. 3DS MARIO KART 7 (NINTENDO)
10. 3DS SUPER MARIO 3D LAND (NINTENDO)
11. WII JUST DANCE 3 (UBISOFT)
12. PC DIABLO III (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
13. PS3 UNCHARTED 3: LA TRAICION DE DRAKE (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
14. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2012 (KONAMI)
15. NDS POKÉMON EDICIÓN NEGRA 2 (NINTENDO)
16. WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. (NINTENDO)
17. WII WII PARTY (NINTENDO)
18. WII MARIO PARTY 9 (NINTENDO)
19. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: VENTISCA ETERNA (NINTENDO)
20. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: TORMENTA DE FUEGO (NINTENDO)
 
D

Dragon1893

Member
Bruno MB said:
Top 20 software (units):

01. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
02. PS3 FIFA 13 (MOVE) (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
03. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 (KONAMI)
04. WII JUST DANCE 4 (UBISOFT)
05. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
06. PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT)
07. 3DS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 (NINTENDO)
08. PS3 FIFA 12 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
09. 3DS MARIO KART 7 (NINTENDO)
10. 3DS SUPER MARIO 3D LAND (NINTENDO)
11. WII JUST DANCE 3 (UBISOFT)
12. PC DIABLO III (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
13. PS3 UNCHARTED 3: LA TRAICION DE DRAKE (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
14. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2012 (KONAMI)
15. NDS POKÉMON EDICIÓN NEGRA 2 (NINTENDO)
16. WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. (NINTENDO)
17. WII WII PARTY (NINTENDO)
18. WII MARIO PARTY 9 (NINTENDO)
19. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: VENTISCA ETERNA (NINTENDO)
20. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: TORMENTA DE FUEGO (NINTENDO)
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Not a single 360 title in the top 20. It's just like here in Portugal, sony land through and through, though the wii did have a popularity spike a while back.
I go to Spain a lot and have friends there who are also gamers and both markets are very similar. The PSP is incredibly popular, I'm constantly seeing kids with it when I go out. Nobody seems to care about the vita though.
Our biggest electronics chain opened a new store were I live recently. I went there on the first day and decided to check out the videogame section, the PSP was literally flying off the shelves while nobody gave the vita as much as a thought. The economy here is also at an all time low and the PSP's price point is ideal, people don't feel like the vita justifies the price difference.
Then there's piracy. I bet Portugal's top 20 wouldn't have a PSP title on it either, it's not because there's not enough people with the hardware, piracy on the system is just friggin' huge.
 
W

Weltall Zero

Member
Napalm_Frank said:
This. Especially since unemployment for young folks is sky high.
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And the not so young... :(

keit4 said:
A lot of people from Spain buy games from the UK online retailers like amazon.co.uk, play or zavvi. Cheaper (~20€) and even faster for pre-orders. Surely this had some impact in these numbers.
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This. I don't understand how anyone still buys retail over here. The prices are absolutely ridiculous. You can expect 60€-70€ (80-90$) for a lot of games that are 10-20€ from UK dealers. This is in a country where the modal (most frequent) salary is 16.500€ (21.500$). Substract 20% taxes from that and that's around 13.500€ (17.600$). Yes, yearly. Absolutely insane.
 
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Dragon1893

Member
keit4 said:
A lot of people from Spain buy games from the UK online retailers like amazon.co.uk, play or zavvi. Cheaper (~20€) and even faster for pre-orders. Surely this had some impact in these numbers.
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Oh yeah that too. More and more people are realizing what a rip-off videogame prices are around here.
We pay 70 euro for a new console game here in Portugal. That's $91! In one of the poorest countries of the UE!
And prices in the UK drop like crazy, here they only lower the price when the games are re-released as platinum and rarely go below that.
It's crazy when I browse zavvi and see games that were released 3 months ago for 20 euro and then enter a store here and see those same games with a 70 euro pricetag on them. Whenever I see someone buy a game I actually feel sorry for them.
Second hand market has also been incredibly busy, it's another way around the high prices, no wonder gamestop closed all their stores here.
 
aeroslash

aeroslash

Member
dark_prinny said:
Hard times para la piel de toro. :(

Rough, hard fucking times here.
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It's normal...you keep murdering them..

Anyway, shitty situation for the country. I'm not surprised on the results...although the young people is unemployed as fuck, most of them prefer to stay at home playing vg than studying... Spain has an enourmous structural problem with the education (and many other things) so i'm not expecting any bright future soon..
 
M

mitheor

Member
ADESE numbers are completely useless.

I´m buying everything digitally (90%) and imported from the UK (the rest) so it´s not the market size decreasing but the local industry dying because of global economy.
 
B

Bending_Unit_22

Member
Road said:
Hardware:
- Home console: 777 million units (-25%)
- Portable console: 715 million units (-19%)

Market comparison excluding accessories:
- UK: €2.059 million (-22%)
- Germany: €1.957 million (-9.2%)
- France: €1.728 million (-14.7%)
- Spain: €725 million (-16.9%)
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Damn, those are some impressive hardware numbers. Even the US is only what, around 25 million a year or so?

Yeah yeah I know.

Anyways, on topic, interesting to see Europe moving towards 3 roughly equivalent big 3 markets rather than the "Britannia rules the games" market of the last 5 years or so.

Napalm_Frank said:
This. Especially since unemployment for young folks is sky high.
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The funemployed need something to do with their time, and in any developed country even they will have access to money in some manner.

shagg_187 said:
I love how PS2 is still owning left and right.
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Doesn't "owning" indicate that it is leading or beating the competition? It looks like it's 9th out of 11 to me, beating only "PC edutainment" and a new console on the market for 1 month. Unless you mean it is still beating the GCN and XBox in which well yes, yes it is (and forever will).
 
F

Ferr986

Member
If we were on that numbers it will be WAR.
We are on a 26.02% wich still BAD, but lol dude, get your numbers right.
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Yep, If you see my quote I was talking about youth unemployment, not global. Sorry if it wasnt clear.
 
D

dark_prinny

Banned
aeroslash said:
It's normal...you keep murdering them..

Anyway, shitty situation for the country. I'm not surprised on the results...although the young people is unemployed as fuck, most of them prefer to stay at home playing vg than studying... Spain has an enourmous structural problem with the education (and many other things) so i'm not expecting any bright future soon..
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That's a very simplistic analisis. Actually, a lot of Spanish young people are required in Germany for example, due to his very well preparation and academic profile. And related to bullfighting I Don't want to respond, I may be unpolite, but please inform yourself before doing such ridiculous and simplistic statments.
 
Valkyria

Valkyria

Banned
Just posting for spaingaf.

Actually not so bad figures taking account of the state of the economy. Tomorrow I have a job interview, wish me luck.
 
N

nib95

Banned
Road said:
http://www.adese.es/adese/noticias/119
http://www.adese.es/images/pdf/balance2013_np.pdf
http://www.adese.es/images/pdf/balance2013okok.pdf

Physical only....

Software: €428 million (-14%)
Hardware: €297 million (-20%)
Accessories: €97 million (-9%)

Total: €822 million (-16%)

Software 12.743 million units (-15%)
Hardware: 1.492 million units (-22%)
Accessories: 5.031 million units (+0%)

Hardware:
- Home console: 777 thousand units (-25%)
- Portable console: 715 thousand units (-19%)

Software (millions of units):
- PS3: 3.925 (-4%)
- Wii: 1.977 (-28%)
- PC: 1.495 (-10%)
- X360: 1.448 (-11%)
- PSP: 1.310 (-29%)
- DS: 989 (-43%)
- 3DS: 871 (+72%)
- Vita: 308 (----)
- PS2: 288 (-55%)
- PC edutainment: 80 (-28%)
- WiiU: 52 (----)

Market comparison excluding accessories:
- UK: €2.059 million (-22%)
- Germany: €1.957 million (-9.2%)
- France: €1.728 million (-14.7%)
- Spain: €725 million (-16.9%)
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Damn, thought the UK was a much bigger market compared to the rest. Not 1b ahead but not that close to France and Germany either.
 
G

grimshawish

Banned
nib95 said:
Damn, thought the UK was a much bigger market compared to the rest. Not 1b ahead but not that close to France and Germany either.
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Should be noted the UK has seen sharp falls whilst everywhere else has suffered less sharp falls. UK is a smaller county afterall so its not really shocking; its just been a big centre of gaming for a long time. These things change with trends and tastes.
 
R

RotBot

Member
Software 12.743 million units (-15%)
Hardware: 1.492 million units (-22%)
Accessories: 5.031 million units (+0%)

Hardware:
- Home console: 777 thousand units (-25%)
- Portable console: 715 thousand units (-19%)

Software (millions of units):
- PS3: 3.925 (-4%)
- Wii: 1.977 (-28%)
- PC: 1.495 (-10%)
- X360: 1.448 (-11%)
- PSP: 1.310 (-29%)
- DS: 989 (-43%)
- 3DS: 871 (+72%)
- Vita: 308 (----)
- PS2: 288 (-55%)
- PC edutainment: 80 (-28%)
- WiiU: 52 (----)

Market comparison excluding accessories:
- UK: €2.059 million (-22%)
- Germany: €1.957 million (-9.2%)
- France: €1.728 million (-14.7%)
- Spain: €725 million (-16.9%)
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I'm having a hard time reading these numbers. Is . being used as a decimal separator in some places and as a thousands separator in other places? And for DS-WiiU someone just forgot to put a decimal altogether?

Edit: Looked at the source documents. It's using European convention throughout, but "miles" is being mistranslated here as millions instead of thousands for software units.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
aDesE Annual Report 2012

Spain 2012 Top 50 Software Sales

01. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
02. PS3 FIFA 13 (MOVE) (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
03. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 (KONAMI)
04. WII JUST DANCE 4 (UBISOFT)
05. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
06. PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT)
07. 3DS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 (NINTENDO)
08. PS3 FIFA 12 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
09. 3DS MARIO KART 7 (NINTENDO)
10. 3DS SUPER MARIO 3D LAND (NINTENDO)
11. WII JUST DANCE 3 (UBISOFT)
12. PC DIABLO III (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
13. PS3 UNCHARTED 3: LA TRAICIÓN DE DRAKE (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
14. PS3 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2012 (KONAMI)
15. NDS POKÉMON EDICIÓN NEGRA 2 (NINTENDO)
16. WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. (NINTENDO)
17. WII WII PARTY (NINTENDO)
18. WII MARIO PARTY 9 (NINTENDO)
19. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: VENTISCA ETERNA (NINTENDO)
20. NDS INAZUMA ELEVEN 2: TORMENTA DE FUEGO (NINTENDO)
21. 360 FIFA 13 (KINECT) (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
22. NDS POKÉMON EDICIÓN BLANCA 2 (NINTENDO)
23. WII WII PLAY MOTION + REMOTE PLUS RED (NINTENDO)
24. PS3 BATTLEFIELD 3 PS3 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
25. PS3 GRAN TURISMO 5 PLATINUM (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
26. WII MARIO & SONIC EN LOS JUEGOS OLÍMPICOS - LONDON 2012 (SEGA)
27. PS3 FORMULA 1 2012 (NAMCO BANDAI)
28. PSP INVIZIMALS: LAS TRIBUS PERDIDAS (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
29. WII INAZUMA ELEVEN: STRIKERS (NINTENDO)
30. 360 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
31. WII SKYLANDERS GIANTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
32. PS3 ASSASSIN’S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT)
33. PS3 FORMULA 1 2011 (NAMCO BANDAI)
34. PSP PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2012 (KONAMI)
35. WII FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
36. WII SKYLANDERS: SPYRO’S ADVENTURE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
37. PS3 RESIDENT EVIL 6 (KOCH MEDIA)
38. WII FIFA 12 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
39. PS3 MAX PAYNE 3 (TAKE 2)
40. PS3 NBA 2K13 (TAKE 2)
41. PSP FIFA 13 PSP (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
42. PSP PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 (KONAMI)
43. PS3 WONDERBOOK: EL LIBRO DE LOS HECHIZOS (MOVE) + WONDERBOOK (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
44. PSV UNCHARTED: EL ABISMO DE ORO (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
45. PS2 PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2012 PS2 (KONAMI)
46. PS3 FIFA STREET (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
47. PC GUILD WARS 2 (KOCH MEDIA)
48. WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO SELECTS (NINTENDO)
49. WII MARIO KART + WII WHEEL (NINTENDO)
50. 360 ASSASSIN’S CREED III (UBISOFT)

ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

01. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II
02. WII SKYLANDERS GIANTS
03. PC DIABLO3 VERSIÓN
04. 3DS ANGRY BIRDS: TRILOGY
05. PS3 PROTOTYPE 2

DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS

01. PSP PHINEAS Y FERB: A TRAVÉS DE LA 2ª DIMENSIÓN
02. NDS CLUB PENGUIN: CUERPO DE PINGÜINOS DE ELITE
03. WII EPIC MICKEY 2: EL RETORNO DE DOS HÉROES
04. 3DS EPIC MICKEY MUNDO MISTERIOSO
05. 3DS KINGDOM HEARTS 3D: DREAM DROP DISTANCE

ELECTRONIC ARTS

01. PS3 FIFA 13 (MOVE)
02. 360 FIFA 13 (KINECT)
03. WII FIFA 13
04. PSP FIFA 13
05. PS3 FIFA STREET

KOCH MEDIA

01. PS3 RESIDENT EVIL 6
02. PC GUILD WARS 2
03. PS3 THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM - MAP EDITION
04. PS3 RESIDENT EVIL: OPERATION RACOON CITY
05. WII LET’S SING 5 VERSIÓN ESPAÑOLA + 2 MICRÓFONOS

MICROSOFT

01. 360 HALO 4
02. 360 FORZA MOTORSPORT 4 (KINECT)
03. 360 GEARS OF WAR 3
04. 360 KINECT SPORTS SEGUNDA TEMPORADA
05. 360 KINECT STAR WARS (KINECT)

NAMCO BANDAI PARTNERS IBÉRICA

01. PS3 FORMULA 1 2012
02. NDS MONSTER HIGH EL PATINAJE LABERÍNTICO
03. WII MONSTER HIGH EL PATINAJE LABERÍNTICO
04. 360 FORMULA 1 2012
05. PS3 NARUTO SHIPPUDEN: ULTIMATE NINJA STORM GENERATIONS

NINTENDO

01. 3DS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
02. 3DS MARIO KART 7
03. 3DS SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
04. NDS POKEMON EDICIÓN NEGRA 2
05. WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII

SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT ESPAÑA

01. PS3 UNCHARTED 3: LA TRAICION DE DRAKE
02. PS3 GRAN TURISMO 5 PLATINUM
03. PSP INVIZIMALS: LAS TRIBUS PERDIDAS
04. PSP GRAN TURISMO
05. PS3 WONDERBOOK: EL LIBRO DE LOS HECHIZOS (MOVE) + WONDERBOOK

TAKE TWO

01. PS3 BATMAN: ARKHAM CITY
02. PS3 FINAL FANTASY XIII-2
03. PS3 EL SEÑOR DE LOS ANILLOS: LA GUERRA DEL NORTE
04. PS3 LEGO EL SEÑOR DE LOS ANILLOS
05. PS3 LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES

UBISOFT

01. WII JUST DANCE 4
02. PS3 ASSASSIN´S CREED 3
03. WII JUST DANCE 3
04. PSV ASSASSIN´S CREED LIBERATION
05. 360 ASSASSIN´S CREED 3

WARNER BROS INTERACTIVE

01. PS3 MAX PAYNE 3
02. PS3 NBA 2K13
03. PS3 NBA 2K12 (MOVE)
04. PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES PLATINUM
05. PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV PLATINUM
 
S

Shayan

Banned
goes to show how successful ps3 is in the PAL region . In many regions like middle east , it has over 80% marketshare and it costs almost 2x as an x360

I expect PS4 to totally wipe out competition in the PAL region if Wii U doesnt make a comeback
 
C

Chao

Member
Serves them right.
I'm not paying 70 euro for a game when I can order it from Amazon UK and pay only 35-40 euro.

I'm surprised they get away with those prices as much as they do.

And then yeah, we don't have jobs and people with jobs still have to use their ridiculously low wages to pay their ridiculously high rents/mortgages.

So we are certainly pretty fucked!
 
L

Lkr

Member
i guess those software numbers indicate that the people who use barca/madrid online for xbox are not from spain
 
W

Weltall Zero

Member
Two months late, but:

aeroslash said:
It's normal...you keep murdering them..
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Funnily enough, a lot of young (<40) people are enraged and horrified that this shit (bullfighting) is still legal, let alone "a tradition to preserve". There have been a lot of attempts from many sources to suspend bullfighting indefinitely, with various but generally disappointing degrees of success. It doesn't help that the current, far right party in charge of the country (and absolutely murdering everything from education to public healthcare to even the water supply) is, of course, extremely pro-bullfighting and does everything in their power (which is, obviously, a lot) to not just defend it and label it as an important part of Spanish culture and tradition, but even support it with public money.

As a animal rights supporter myself, take a guess how I feel about the whole situation. I'm not sure what could help at this point, but a coordinated awareness and shaming campaign from outside countries perhaps could? If it becomes a big enough scandal it might turn some heads.

aeroslash said:
Anyway, shitty situation for the country. I'm not surprised on the results...although the young people is unemployed as fuck, most of them prefer to stay at home playing vg than studying... Spain has an enourmous structural problem with the education (and many other things) so i'm not expecting any bright future soon..
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The core problem is the political class; Spain is a flea-ridden dog. We have like three times as many politicians per person than most countries, with astronomical salaries, most of which care for nothing but keeping their families and colleagues inside.
 
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