Definitely not for portable mode, maybe not for docked mode.
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A Nintendo Switch has been taken apart
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McMilhouse
Neo Member
Thats a shame. I guess thats for Switch XL
Smurfman256
Member
The fan's not even that loud in portable mode. I had to turn the sound off and take the thing into my echo-y bathroom in order to even hear the thing.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Chipworks is up, no die shot in the article. (So far at least)
The fan barely moves in portable mode, right? Phones can become very warm when gaming too.
The fan barely moves in portable mode, right? Phones can become very warm when gaming too.
No because Switch main pool has much more bandwidth than Wii U, so at the same resolution it doesn't have those issues. GPU is also faster, frame drops on Wii U can be GPU related as well.
The problem with Switch docked is that some effects can't be tiled, so when you increase resolution you're more likely to find some bandwidth constraints if you don't find workarounds. Considering that the port was developed in a short amount of time, they probably didn't have time to fix all the issues.
But yeah, double buffering does the rest. It's possible that these drops were actually to like 27-28fps but thanks to double buffering it drops 10 frames every time.
Nope, i instantly noticed that this happened with many of the frame drops but got ignored when i tried to report it. A friend received his game and console from amazon today and told me that this happened to him as well.
Here's the link
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
http://www.techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
I'm on shitty phone, maybe I can't see it?
gregor7777
Banned
March 3rd
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
It's updated
Nice work. The other blocks would be this stuff, just out of Nvidias heavily stylized order:
There's at least two blocks Nintendo may not need or not need such a large version of, but at the estimated die size it would be odd coincidence if they removed a lot and added some stuff and ended up the same size, from what we can tell (still waiting on calipers). If the block capable of 4K decode for instance is still in there, that's certainly of interest (though the USB 3.0 datarate to the dock may make that moot?)
Yeah, the video codec block would be the most likely to be cut in size (the leaked specs from July stated that not all codecs/resolutions would be available to developers, which may indicate what they've cut). We actually know what the USB-C connection is capable of now, thanks to iFixit's teardown:
In theory it should be able to handle 4K/HDR video streaming, although that would depend on (a) if they decided to keep the h.265 decode and (b) if the DisplayPort to HDMI converter in the dock is capable of supporting HDCP2.2.
That would seem like the most likely culprit. If the rendering pipeline was built around keeping all render targets in Wii U's eDRAM then a move to TBR may well cause issues, particularly for depth of field, alpha effects, or anything else which can't be tiled.
LordOfChaos
Member
That article says Posted: March 3, 2017...That's the one they announced for Monday, March 6th? I hadn't seen it before, but the date is several days behind.
LordOfChaos
Member
16Gb is 2GB, and there are two modules, so 4GB altogether.
Re Zelda
Given the DLC announced, what's the likelihood that the game can be further optimised for Switch? I understand the DLC is only coming to the Switch right?
Skittzo0413
Member
No, the DLC is coming to both.
Hopefully they can address the issues in a patch though, Nintendo have done that before with Splatoon.
I looked at the article earlier and I'm sure they updated it recently. I'm afraid that's all we got from chipworks
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
So no shot of the die? They do a shot of the goddammed broadband controller and not one of the main die?
What about the kind soul who did the one for Shield TV? Will he/she do it?
What about the kind soul who did the one for Shield TV? Will he/she do it?
LordOfChaos
Member
I asked Fritzchens Fritz already, said he's not spending that much for a die shot of a new product.
Time to lobby Marcan?
https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/803281643750363136
LordOfChaos
Member
Not sure if it was supposed to be a blog post in progress or what, emailed them to try to find out.
Marcan days ago made it clear he has no interest in hacking the Switch or anything else. Its even his pinned tweet telling people to leave him alone
LordOfChaos
Member
Daw :/
Not Marcan, not Fritz, not sure if Chipworks is still working on it or that was it...Who else may have done it?
Chronos24
Member
Good news for you all!!
Part 2 is coming, they hope later this week and it's the one we been waiting for
Chipworks is really fast at replying to mails
Wait what? Did they not say it would cost too much?
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
That was not chipworks
LordOfChaos
Member
I don't think? They promised the die shot last week. Fritzchens Fritz was the one who was independently doing deliddings who said it was too expensive, not related to Chipworks.
Might be taking longer because they're doing acid etching?
anchorman128
Member
Different people. Fritz is not chipworks
Nintendo Ninjas doing some work I see.
How much would it cost? I'm willing to throw in $20 if we get a fund going
I'm down to throw cash there way too.
I'm sure these guys would be more willing if they were compensated for their efforts.
I'm sure this stuff is costly and time consuming.
No need, chipworks will do it eventually just took a bit longer than expected.How much would it cost? I'm willing to throw in $20 if we get a fund going
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Yeah, the thing came out last Friday, that shit is difficult and delicate.
I love Chipworks man.
Also, this is relieving in a way. I spent a pair of stressing days obsessed over the pic, this helps relativize.
I love Chipworks man.
Also, this is relieving in a way. I spent a pair of stressing days obsessed over the pic, this helps relativize.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Interesting. So guven this knowledge we shouldmt expect too many 1080p games unless they are not graphically intense (comparatively speaking obviously)
Skittzo0413
Member
I think it's more going from doing it one way on the Wii U to a completely different way (tile based) on the Switch made it very hard to re-optimize some things.
LordOfChaos
Member
I remember the Wii U also used a flip chip design which made a die scan harder (more layers to etch to see the architecture), I think the Switch may have done that too which is why it would take some more time.
There really should have been a 720p docked "performance mode" for the Switch version
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Maybe we won't see some specific effects that require full framebuffers such as DOF? Or is there an algorithm that can do it in a tiled fashion?
Nintendo is obsessed with having sufficient memory bandwidth, they wouldn't make THIS mistake.
Eolz
Member
Good news for you all!!
Part 2 is coming, they hope later this week and it's the one we been waiting for
Chipworks is really fast at replying to mails
Niiice
McMilhouse
Neo Member
I hope the Switch XL will be 10nm
Inspectah_Deck
Member
It has similiar drops in handheld-mode, but a lot less frequently.
But seeing that they reduced the drops a lot in the day-1 patch makes me hopeful that they will work on further improving performance in the next months.
I wonder why they went with double-buffering and not triple.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Somebody suggested that maybe the stuttering was worse than a steady 20FPS, or maybe dropping to 20FPS reduces the bandwidth need for a moment so that the new assets load in faster and the drop is shorter in time? (Assuming it's a streaming issue)
We can expect many 1080p games if they're properly optimized for the Switch memory subsystem. Of course a 1080p intensive game ported from PS4 may run at a lower res but that's because the other console is much stronger.
I'm playing mostly in docked mode on my OLED TV but i played several hours in handheld mode and it never dropped to me, so it must be pretty rare.
But yeah, a bit of stuttering with triple buffering would've been preferable to drops straight to 20 imho, and i hate stuttering.
Back on topic, any updates from chipworks about the die shots?
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Dragon Quest Heroes seems to drop in the presence of alpha effects, which in turn indicates bad optimization for TBR (Could be rendering to texture, who knows) and therefore it's not a good example of what the thing can do.
It's going to be interesting to see games properly optimized for this. ARMS for instance looks beautiful at 1080p60 with plenty of alpha effects...
It's going to be interesting to see games properly optimized for this. ARMS for instance looks beautiful at 1080p60 with plenty of alpha effects...
McMilhouse
Neo Member
Nintendo really missed a opportunity to use 16nm for this console
tkscz
Member
Can't really use something that didn't exist at the time. While Parker was available, it wasn't meant for games, it was meant for cars. Had 16nm existed, Nintendo most likely would've chose it for battery life alone.
LordOfChaos
Member
They did fund resynthesizing the PPC750 to 45nm, past where anyone else had wanted it. If they had the will to do so they could have taken TX1 to 16nm, though now I'm speculating as Nvidia's stipulations may not be as agreeable as AMDs and IBMs.
It's why, I think, the Xbox 1st gen never had a shrink, iirc? But I would imagine Nvidia has softened up since then after wanting to get a console win.