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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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It's nearly 1am, the devs are probably in bed
Dee Dah Dave
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No, not extremely savvy, just savvy enough! i.e have an IQ above room temperature
But yeah, I remember one interview where a journo pushed him for a definite answer and he cracked and said "no, you cant play / meet with others". It's about the only time he's ever said it usually choosing to be misleading. I posted the link in one of the old threads and many people still wouldn't accept it lol.
Anyway who cares, it's only a computer game. They should have been more upfront though I feel.
He out right said yes, that's not skirting bruh
Enter the Dragon Punch
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you are literally complaining about people being crybabies because they don't like something about the game you love
shawnoftheshred
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That's the thing. During the Colbert interview, he explicitly said other people could see you but that it was exceedingly rare for that to happen.
So folks are trying to figure out how the game is working - if either:
1 - the two players aren't in the same instance;
2 - there's some technical issue preventing the feature of seeing other players from working;
3 - there's something that happens later in the game that makes this possible;
4 - it's actually just not a feature in the game anymore.
Interested to see how it pans out and if anyone ever encounters anyone again (I would assume yes, given this is day 1!).
lastplayed
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That's how I play Elite Dangerous (solo mode), it's still fun exploring and seeing what other people have or haven't discovered.
MegaSackman
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Sorry, I meant the two people using their time with the game for that. Anyway, I agree that it's interesting that someone is doing it.
Edit: Did anyone try to play coop on Journey (with a friend) and succeeded? Serious question.
Zomba13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
Multiple instances talking to different outlets over the years about meeting other players.
(and it's missing some that were posted earlier like the French interview)
CyberPunked
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Do planets orbit suns in this game?
Oh please. There are people on sides guilty of this. There is a discussion to be had here, but you won't find it here or in any of these threads simply because there are others who wish to troll and try to deride ANYONE who says they do enjoy the game.
It's one thing to dissect and discuss. It's another to try and live and find these "Gotcha!" moments. Some people don't want to discuss the game, some just want to bash. You're right others simply don't want any discourse and that's wrong as well.
But right now you have hyper polarizing opinions and attitudes on both sides. Some of these threads as far as temperament goes are no different than Reddit or 4chan honestly.
GinoFelino
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Yeah. I wonder how many of those people still think their rage was justified.
I'm guessing many forgot they raged against it at all and put it at the top of their 2015 GOTY list in the end.
This shit too, shall pass. It's just the Angry Gamer's pick of the day.
I guess. I just don't like the current outrage culture. Nuance just gets fucked over and buried.
CyberPunked
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There's currently two people in game on Steam right now: https://steamdb.info/app/275850/graphs/
With the last update being just one hour ago.
Zomba13
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Not played the game, just going by what has been said and seen in videos, but yes. Planets should rotate and also orbit the sun (and moons orbit planets).
So there could be the issue of players seeing the solar system at different times where they could be "connected" but actually miles apart due to the planets moving. But we don't know.
Hentailover
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You know, I am going to post an exaggeration. people usually roll their eyes because "such a ridiculous analogy" but that's because people forgot the point of an exaggeration when used in a conversation. So I am putting a disclaimer: Example I will provide is going to be blown out of proportion intentionally. The reason I do it is the same as doing some sort of large blue print of a small tool. To make small details bigger and thus more visible. Thus I create a situation, in which subtleties and obfuscation of real life complexities is reduced, while implictations are increased, so they are easier to see.
Imagine a developer promises a large open world game with thousands of NPC, dymanic world, mutliple endings and rich well written story.
Game comes out and it's just pacman with 3d graphics. Is it alright to say to people that it's wrong to "whine" and complain about it, because "it's a really good pacman port, so just enjoy what is there".
Once again, extreme exaggeration, but is there to illustrate the point. People buy the game based on what is promised by the developer. So, we should hold them to scrutiny.
I only get the sense that they rotate, not actually orbit anything. They feel very much like static cardboard in space until you get close and land on them. Feels very different from something like Elite where you can approach the local star etc. Stars in this game feel like static light sources you can't reach in a skybox. Or it's just a matter of engine speed and distance skewing everything.
VlaudTheImpaler
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5 - You come upon a drone control center and find a bunch of monitors with drone footage and one of them is capturing footage of another player somewhere out there...
UncleSporky
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Yes, rage and anger. The people on the opposite side surely have intensely negative feelings, none of them are rational at all like you are. None of them can calm down and look at things sensibly.
Hentailover
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Because it was easily GOTY of 2015. And NMS can be GOTY of 2016. You are missing the entire point. The arguement is not about the quality of NMS at all. Game itself is irrelevant. It's about whether devs lied or not. They could've been developing pong amiga style and it wouldn't have mattered. What matters is what they said and if it was intentionally false or not!
Unlikely considering insane hours they have been pushing to get first PS4 version done and now PC.
EdibleExplosives
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Not saying everyone has reacted well to it, but trying to shutdown negative discussion of the game is equally stupid.
It was said multiple times, as posted in this thread.
kingofthedead45
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The gif with the example of them explicitly stating that it you "can play with your friends" has been posted at least 3 times just on THIS PAGE. But here you, go, since you are obviously special and everybody needs to repeat everything for you personally:
On my general position, I am not particularly angry as I am not getting NMS anytime soon, so it's not like I'm being lied to now that I already parted with my money. But i have very short patience for any kind of misleading advertisement and stuff like this, and being everybody's indie darling should not excuse HG. Everybody should fall under the same scrutiny.
And yeah, sure,MAYBE, it's a server issue, guess what, you can tweet that in like 3 minutes, if it's the case, you don't need to put togethere an official statement.
I thought the implication from that gif was he was saying yes but his body language was saying no, and he was only pressed by Sony pr?
EL CUCO
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shawnoftheshred
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Yup, was trying to account for things like that (or finding archives showing you everything / everyone you've encountered) with #3.
old manatee
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Relax guys, let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the game is out.
GinoFelino
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The fact that you have to use this exaggeration to justify the current outrage should tell you something about your plight here. I'm guessing you realise that using the actual situation is not quite impressive enough for all this anger to make sense.
Either way, I doubt monitoring Twitter is a priority right now.
Stone Ocean
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They were promoting the game had multiplayer verbatim in multiple public interviews. It might not be advertisement in the pure sense of the word but lets not strawman here.
anothertech
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Holy sht!!1 LOL
"You can see other characters...and they can see you"
"You can see other characters..."
"and they can see you"
**Mind Blown**
Honestly. It was direct as hell. There must be a flip they have to switch or something. I wouldn't doubt it's possible if he said something that direct like you can see each other and attack each other. Honestly.
Need to hear from the horses mouth now.
Captain Tuttle
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What are the odds though? 18 quintillion planets spread out across the people who are playing now?
UpDownLeftRight
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That I can totally get. I think due to playing a lot of Elite and seeing the rarity of encounters outside the bubble tempered my expectations of ever running into anyone a lot so I never expected to run into anyone at all. If it isn't in at all though, I can see how it would take a slight edge off, but as with you, I'm enjoying it for what it is. I think also playing Elite made me realize how uninteresting an encounter may actually be too though so I'm probably a little jaded on encountering others.
Dee Dah Dave
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They have said in the past that this is a game they would like to keep expanding if there's good player retention. So maybe it's in the pipeline?
UncleSporky
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I kind of wonder whether they decided to create AI characters who act similar to how other players would act, hoping for a lot of posts like, "hey I saw another player over at Regulus V, he was flying really erratically and looked right at me! Post if this was you!" When it was always just an AI.
I don't think this is likely but it's a possibility. Something you might do when you realize you can't deliver on statements made earlier, and you dial back and start saying things like "you'll never even know if what you saw was another player."
This article from Dec 2014 is very interesting:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ng-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx
Especially this part:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ng-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx
Especially this part:
True. They've probably been up since the U.S launch though, so they gotta sleep at some point right? Then again, this is videogame development lol.
Nestled_Grizzly
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Yea that's my assumption. If it is indeed not in the game right now, its probably something coming soon.
Hentailover
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No, the fact that I have to use an exaggeration is that people are easy to ignore implications when they are small enough. To me, there's no smal lie, when it comes to advertisement. But to explain to other people that have some weird gradation to something that shouldn't have a gradation at all, I am forced to create a situation in which it is clear to them what I am angry at. Basically, to me there's no small lie when it comes to PR. You either lied or didn't lie. All has to have the same amount of backlash and consequences. No lying allowed period. I am a tyrant when it comes to pr
mainly because I am forced to partake in it at my job and it kills me inside slowly, so I am probably projecting
Kenzodielocke
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Adam Boyes on the GB podcast said that they did most of the PR themselves.
Stone Ocean
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There's basically no one in this thread saying the game is bad or that people that like it are wrong and dumb. People are taking issue with a dev implying a feature that does not appear to be in the game was when pitching the product. If you interpret people's criticism of that as some type of persecution of NMS or its fans, that's kind of your deal and not anyone else's problem.
Is anyone here raging? I'm calmly reading on my phone out of boredom because I'm on a work trip and exhausted from running around all day. I've posted a handful of times, yet am somehow not in a frothing rage. Using hyperbole, exclamation points, or profanity does not mean people are reaching some unstable level of emotional energy capable of powering a small city.
Nestled_Grizzly
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And might have been a bad thing lol. I think Sean got ahead of himself about the multi player
VlaudTheImpaler
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Don't tell me this... :'[
Moon_frogger
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'There must be some explanation for this! Instancing! It'll come in a patch! They never really said there was multiplayer in the game'
Yeah, it's ok to be really invested and the game seems great but it's blatantly clear this was a feature they straight up lied about after being stupidly coy for months. There's just no defending this. It's hilarious and I feel a little embarrassed for those in this thread who are trying to justify it. It's been a vastly entertaining read. I've suspected it since the beginning. It seems pretty clear the dev just figured it was likely nobody would actually end up in the same location so they just....fibbed. No reason to get out the pitchforks but also no reason to start in with the mindless fellating and ass kissing on seeing here. Let's just call it what it is.
Yeah, it's ok to be really invested and the game seems great but it's blatantly clear this was a feature they straight up lied about after being stupidly coy for months. There's just no defending this. It's hilarious and I feel a little embarrassed for those in this thread who are trying to justify it. It's been a vastly entertaining read. I've suspected it since the beginning. It seems pretty clear the dev just figured it was likely nobody would actually end up in the same location so they just....fibbed. No reason to get out the pitchforks but also no reason to start in with the mindless fellating and ass kissing on seeing here. Let's just call it what it is.
Hahaha holy shit
GinoFelino
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They haven't 'advertised' this feature for a while now.
Additionally, this rage is much more the result of runaway expectations than any supposed false advertising. If you think 'lying' got them to this point of hype, you haven't been paying attention. In any case, we'll soon hear why they've scrapped it. Could be a matter of scale, or those chance encounters just not being worth all the trouble it would entail server-aide. We'll see.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
most interesting:
nothing about instances or other nonsense. all about finding someone because the universe is so huge.
ichtyander
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Man, posting that gif means very little, there's been so many interviews after that, talking vaguely about it and imploring people that it's not a multiplayer game, that people shouldn't expect such things, playing with each other. They also said there would be no NPCs (in the very same video), apparently they're adding base building in the future etc.
I'm not defending Hello Games and Sean if there is absolutely no way of seeing what other players look like, because that's generally what was hinted at. Latching onto a "erm, yes" regarding "playing together" from almost two years ago isn't the best source of information (not to mention the "griefing" comment that's even more ambiguous). There might be actual technical difficulties regarding such an event (game seems buggy well enough), not to mention the possibility of it being tied to a quest (as in, being able to see other players only in specific circumstances, both players being in the same quest point etc.) or some similar factor.
Just saying, that gif means very little. And also, give them a bit of time to give a statement for pete's sake, and if it turns out they straight up threw out seeing other players in any shape or form, then sure, they're pretty much guilty of not clearing things up beforehand.
No matter how vague Sean's been about the multiplayer aspect of the game, one point has definitely been mentioned multiple times, and that is - the only way to see what you look like is to see other players. This totally sounds like a cool "moment" they would add just for the sake of it, whether it is by standing next to each other, or looking at a portal or a screen that shows the two of you, or whatever the mechanics are. So I would genuinely be surprised if there's absolutely no way of seeing what other players look like, but as I said, if that's the case, then it's not cool and should be addressed.
The "Molyneux 2.0" comments and straight up hate though are kinda baffling though.
I'm not defending Hello Games and Sean if there is absolutely no way of seeing what other players look like, because that's generally what was hinted at. Latching onto a "erm, yes" regarding "playing together" from almost two years ago isn't the best source of information (not to mention the "griefing" comment that's even more ambiguous). There might be actual technical difficulties regarding such an event (game seems buggy well enough), not to mention the possibility of it being tied to a quest (as in, being able to see other players only in specific circumstances, both players being in the same quest point etc.) or some similar factor.
Just saying, that gif means very little. And also, give them a bit of time to give a statement for pete's sake, and if it turns out they straight up threw out seeing other players in any shape or form, then sure, they're pretty much guilty of not clearing things up beforehand.
No matter how vague Sean's been about the multiplayer aspect of the game, one point has definitely been mentioned multiple times, and that is - the only way to see what you look like is to see other players. This totally sounds like a cool "moment" they would add just for the sake of it, whether it is by standing next to each other, or looking at a portal or a screen that shows the two of you, or whatever the mechanics are. So I would genuinely be surprised if there's absolutely no way of seeing what other players look like, but as I said, if that's the case, then it's not cool and should be addressed.
The "Molyneux 2.0" comments and straight up hate though are kinda baffling though.
Are you buying it from PSN?
If so use the US store. It's cheaper and available to buy now.
BareKnuckle
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Maybe it was multiplayer at one point and now it isn't? Like it could have got cut because it wasn't fun or a million other reasons.
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