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Anyone else bothered by how calling someone a cuckold became a go-to pejoritive?

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Sianos

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Faggot doesn't even need to apply to sexual orientation. A person who has their ice cream taken by their older sibling could be called a faggot, and it would have nothing at all to do with sexism or homophobia. If you're going by just the porn/4chan version, than maybe it has to do with those. But most people aren't using faggot as a way to get their outdated, sexist, homophobic view points out without saying crazy shit.

Fixed that for you.

I hope my point is made clear.

In case it wasn't: the same justification is always used to justify slur use, yet it falls through when it is noticed that the reason the insult version of the slur is even considered an insult is because the slur refers to a group maligned by bigots
 

pigeon

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You sound incredibly sensitive. Your entire post is explaining, effectively, what an insult sounds like. Insults are a thing you know? You don't get to prevent people from saying things just because it offends you.

I mean, he didn't say he wanted to prevent people from saying it, he just said fuck you. Which seems pretty reasonable and I'm not sure why you're getting all bent out of shape about it.
 

ThisGuy

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The full word is "cuckold," which has a specific meaning and has been used for centuries.

Sure, some are ignorant as to the meaning of that word but that's on them. I personally like to understand the meaning of the words I use.

In my defense, and others who were unaware of the racial component.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cuckold?s=t

It's not that obvious. And I don't watch that type of porn, I don't think many people do. So, ya know?
 
Wait, what the fuck?

Why would you call somebody a cuck if they had their ice cream taken? Break that down a little.

The full word is "cuckold," which has a specific meaning and has been used for centuries.

Sure, some are ignorant as to the meaning of that word but that's on them. I personally like to understand the meaning of the words I use.

Words change meanings. The vast majority of people using the word "cuck" are not using it with any racial or homophobic attributes or intentions. They're using it in the manner of "someone who has something taken from them by someone else". Most people are not 4chan/NeoFAG sleeper cells trying to sneak in uproarious racism and homophobia into everything.

Calling someone a cuck is NOT AT ALL the same thing as calling someone a fag. That's ridiculous.
 
Wait. Are people calling people "cuck" in weird a weird context as a general insult now? "Ugh stop button mashing and learn to play, cuck" like that?

Edit: and it's implied that if you're a cuck it's always a black dude getting in your girl? Am I getting the gist of this?
 
Wait. Are people calling people "cuck" in weird a weird context as a general insult now? "Ugh stop button mashing and learn to play, cuck" like that?

I've only seen it used when people are being walked all over in a relationship. Sort of a more specific version of simp. But Im just guessing here.
 

params7

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Its come into the common "internet" lingo to describe someone being used or shat upon. Thank 4ch for this one. Hopefully the new meaning never goes beyond urban-dictionary to oxfords.
 

pigeon

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Words change meanings. The vast majority of people using the word "cuck" are not using it with any racial or homophobic attributes or intentions. They're using it in the manner of "someone who has something taken from them by someone else".

And why does it mean that?

Like, in some ways this is heartening, because at least this is good evidence that the battle against "fag" being a general term of abuse is pretty much won if people are offering the same arguments in favor of a different term and condemning the use of "fag" as obviously wrong.
 

besada

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But are actual human beings in real life using it like that or is it just unwashed internet kids?
Well, given that the internet is actually real life, composed of real humans interacting with each other, yes, actual human beings are calling one another that. And not just kids. The assumption that the poor behavior that pours out of places like the Red Pill or Hatechan is just kids is myopic. Plenty of folks in their twenties and thirties seem happy to act like adolescents. It's become commonplace among MRA groups, which are largely composed of adults, as well it's crossed cultural boundaries into conservative politics and portmanteaus like "cuckservative" can be seen on sites like
Breitbart.

So no, not just kids.
 
And why does it mean that?

Like, in some ways this is heartening, because at least this is good evidence that the battle against "fag" being a general term of abuse is pretty much won if people are offering the same arguments in favor of a different term and condemning the use of "fag" as obviously wrong.

Why does any word mean what it means? I've never seen cuck used interchangeably with "fag" or any other homophobic insult. I have seen it used in many non-sexual, non-racist ways, such as "X got cucked at work" used to describe what happened when someone thought they were going to get a promotion and it went to someone else.

It's shocking that we're at a point where people using a word without intent or connotation of such things are all being painted as white supremacist homophobes because of how the word is used in porn.
 

Kinyou

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The insult itself doesn't seem overly reliant on the racial part, and more about someone being submissive. Though I actually have never seen it used "in action"
 

Brakke

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where in the world did people use "cuck" to refer to someone getting their ice cream stolen that has never happened
 

ThisGuy

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Plenty of folks in their twenties and thirties seem happy to act like adolescents.

So you never make fun of your friends or joke around?

Couple a questions. Are you a man? White?

Because this is normal behavior among white men. In fact, I would go so far to say that if you're a grown man who doesn't joke around with friends you're really the outlier.

Or specifically using racial/homophobic/misogynist terms?
 
Why does any word mean what it means? I've never seen cuck used interchangeably with "fag" or any other homophobic insult. I have seen it used in many non-sexual, non-racist ways, such as "X got cucked at work" used to describe what happened when someone thought they were going to get a promotion and it went to someone else.

It's shocking that we're at a point where people using a word without intent or connotation of such things are all being painted as white supremacist homophobes because of how the word is used in porn.
"I've never seen it" is not equivalent to "it's not used in this way"
 

besada

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So you never make fun of your friends or joke around?

Couple a questions. Are you a man? White?

Because this is normal behavior among white men. In fact, I would go so far to say that if your a grown man who doesn't joke around with friends you're really the outlier.

Or specifically using racial/homophobic terms?

I do joke around with my friends. I don't do it by calling them "fags" or "cucks" though. I'm pretty sure you don't want to make the argument that it's okay to be racist and homophobic because everyone does it.
 

Sanjuro

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Why does any word mean what it means? I've never seen cuck used interchangeably with "fag" or any other homophobic insult. I have seen it used in many non-sexual, non-racist ways, such as "X got cucked at work" used to describe what happened when someone thought they were going to get a promotion and it went to someone else.

It's shocking that we're at a point where people using a word without intent or connotation of such things are all being painted as white supremacist homophobes because of how the word is used in porn.

I think the point of this thread is largely revealing areas where the term is used as that exactly. Then there are people here who don't know how the term is used anywhere outside of the internet.

I think people suggesting that only White Supremacist Nazi Homophobes who own women, and demean blacks are the closest link to the term, while closing their earpaths are the only ones suggesting a particular narrative.

In the end, there is a lot to learn in here. Are we going to be better off because of it? Oh...MAN, it's still the afternoon!
 

KingGondo

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ThisGuy said:
Because this is normal behavior among white men. In fact, I would go so far to say that if your a grown man who doesn't joke around with friends you're really the outlier.
Almost everyone jokes around among their friends and peers, not just white men (not sure where that part came from, but whatever).

Not everyone uses idiotic, loaded insults like "fag" and "cuck."
 
cuckold means someone who got cheated by his spouse/girlfriend/significant other, etc it doesn't have to do with race or sexual preference.

However there is a genre of porn that uses that word to describe a fetish that involves a man watching his wife having sex with other men (usually black).

If people don't specify, we should assume we are talking about the normal meaning, not the fetish meaning.
 
Well, given that the internet is actually real life, composed of real humans interacting with each other, yes, actual human beings are calling one another that. And not just kids. The assumption that the poor behavior that pours out of places like the Red Pill or Hatechan is just kids is myopic. Plenty of folks in their twenties and thirties seem happy to act like adolescents. It's become commonplace among MRA groups, which are largely composed of adults, as well it's crossed cultural boundaries into conservative politics and portmanteaus like "cuckservative" can be seen on sites like
Breitbart.

So no, not just kids.

In my myopic view it just seems that the people saying it are people who go out of their way to be as ridiculous and hostile as possible - but only on the internet, because they're weak-willed turds who would never be able to handle the real life consequences. Just a bunch of children and manchildren who don't matter. I don't see why dumb people saying dumb things always ends up as fuel for sanctimonious grandstanding.
 

ThisGuy

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I do joke around with my friends. I don't do it by calling them "fags" or "cucks" though. I'm pretty sure you don't want to make the argument that it's okay to be racist and homophobic because everyone does it.

No I made a distinction between the two in my edit.

I'm still wrapping my head around cuckold being along the lines of fag though.
 
In my myopic view it just seems that the people saying it are people who go out of their way to be as ridiculous and hostile as possible - but only on the internet, because they're weak-willed turds who would never be able to handle the real life consequences. Just a bunch of children and manchildren who don't matter. I don't see why dumb people saying dumb things always ends up as fuel for sanctimonious grandstanding.
You can say they don't matter, but those people can do some real damage to people's lives through the internet and have done so on more than a few occasions now
 
So you never make fun of your friends or joke around?

Couple a questions. Are you a man? White?

Because this is normal behavior among white men. In fact, I would go so far to say that if you're a grown man who doesn't joke around with friends you're really the outlier.

Or specifically using racial/homophobic/misogynist terms?

Are you suggesting that white men are genetically predisposed to using racist and homophobic remarks under the guise of "joking"? o_O
 
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Deleted member 1235

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Wut? How does cheating/being cheated on have any connection to "feminization"?

Wut? I thought cuckolding was standing in the corner and watching your missus get banged.

the connection the person you quoted was trying to make (I think obviously) was cuckolding is another way to say 'you're a pussy' to a dude.
 

esms

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Whatever happened to calling someone a pussy? I feel like it accomplishes the same thing as this insult without all the baggage.
 
Chris B. lost

In all seriousness, I've heard black men who prefer white women be called that, mainly on the Coli but still. For those who recognize the name, yea... That thread was something else
 
You can say they don't matter, but those people can do some real damage to people's lives through the internet and have done so on more than a few occasions now

Yeah sure you're right, but what do you do about people who want to be awful for the sake of it and are hiding behind the internet?

Whatever happened to calling someone a pussy? I feel like it accomplishes the same thing as this insult without all the baggage.

Calling someone a pussy feels weird to me now in the same way calling someone a fag would. In a "Oh oops I'm dumb and should have grown out of this" sort of way.
 

Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
This didn't come from 4chan, it's been a common insult for centuries, just not in the English speaking west. In parts of Italy, the gesture that Americans and the British use as metal horns means cuckold, and has for a long time.
 
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The general gist of it that a woman is intimate with another man and her SO is unaware of it or is unable to stop it. She hides her intimacy but becomes so engrossed in it that she can no longer be with her SO. Thus the SO is being cuckolded. It is suppose to provoke a sense of jealousy from the readers.

You're a loser for not being able to satisfy your woman like that man can. You're a loser for realizing it but not being able to stop it or not realizing it at all. It appeals to the loser in you because you are a loser and all you can do is cry and jerk off to the sounds of them having sex coming through the wall.

This is basically what "cuck" has come to mean on certain sections of the Internet. A loser in both sense of the words. Someone who enjoys or keeps losing.
 
I've only ever seen it used as a pejorative term for a man that is permissive or advocating of his SO sleeping with other men.

Then again, I don't frequent right wing forums and I don't watch racist ass interracial porn.
 

KingGondo

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Someone generate a list of safe insults so I can mock people without an army of tumblrites knocking down my door.
If you don't care what "tumblrites" think then use whatever word you want.

People tying themselves in knots over this stuff. If you want to be an asshole, let your asshole flag fly.

Just don't be surprised when people call you an asshole.
 
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