Then you're wrong.
They shot a sleeping man in the fucking face multiple times.
That info wasn't in the OP
Then you're wrong.
They shot a sleeping man in the fucking face multiple times.
edit: read the above. Way different than the police report. May come down to witnesses. Sucks all around.
I'm sorry, I don't believe that police report but I know nothing about US. If it were my country police, that report would be bullshit to anyone, it even sounds hilarious.
He won't get anywhere near 20 years obviously, but hopefully it'll be closer to that than to 20 weeks.
And yeah, I can't fathom a reason why the officers would have needed to shoot him.
It is absolutely only one side, of the argument, but I couldn't find any other side. I clicked on all 4 of those links. Nobody said what happened in the house that I could see.
It seems likely that the police showed up, asked him to disarm or get on the ground and he refused. I cant see any other reason they would shoot him. Some people in here actually thought they shot him while he was sleeping.
One side is better than complete idle speculation.
Being black and that pissed someone off 3000 miles away.Do you even stop to think for one minute taking it back to square one how "swatting" is even a thing that's possible to begin with, specifically in America? Do you even realize how powerless you are in such a situation and how people (especially minorities) are killed for less and how time after time the police go unchecked and are not held accountable? What is even your end goal argument here, "he was no angel being scared shitless from swat with guns surrounding his place for no reason". What was his fucking crime??
Seriously people what the fucking fuck.
In a hostage situation, there's not always time to think. You need to base your actions on instinct - hostages' and your's live depend on it.Well that what happens when you live in a "Shoot First, ask questions later" training policy.
We don't really know completely how it went down. Now, yes, certainly the guy shouldn't have gotten shot. Clearly.
But that doesn't mean we know all the details. What if the guy had a record for assault or illegal carry? .
Police Report on incident.
https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/271698829/Howard-County-Police-Statement-on-Swatting-t
to comply with their requests even if they are confused about the police presence and don't know or understand the reason for the contact.
There are many cases where people do have hostages, break ins etcI always wonder if some of these could be prevented by simply ringing the doorbell.
Instincts were shit. They should prolly be something other than cops. Everyone deserves a swift kick except the poor sod who got shot in the fucking face.In a hostage situation, there's not always time to think. You need to base your actions on instinct - hostages' and your's live depend on it.
Yeah, this is premeditated attempted murder.
The problem then is that is a tacit admission that the police in America are a deadly force that can be used to kill innocents.
It's true, but prosecutors will shy away from the warranted charges for their career's sake.
Fuck! SWAT shooting first and asking questions later huh. You'd think they'd spend 5min doing reconnaisssance before going all in.
Are kids so disconnected that they don't realize this is a step too far? Wtf?
What if the guy had a record for assault or illegal carry? What if the guy's door was locked, and so they busted it down and the guy 'jumped up' out of bed, arms still hidden by his sheets and the cops reacted quickly, knowing they were using rubber bullets.
At least they were rubber bullets. Thank Christ for that.
Police took that seriously, acted on assumption the guy was armed and had explosives. I understand why they acted how they did. Don't condone it though, but if they hadn't and this was a real situation, they could've been killed.
He doesn't need twenty years, he didn't comit homicide even. He needs to learn a hard lesson yes but twenty years in prison is as ridiculous as what he did. He's twenty years old, he deserves a chance to accept punishment and make a change. Anything over two years is way too extreme.
Repeat offenders? OK they deserve much more.
Mr. Dobbs was initially seen by officers crawling on the floor in front of a sliding glass door. He then came to the open slider twice and both times police repeatedly directed him to come out and show his hands. Mr. Dobbs did not comply and walked back into the apartment. The third time he walked to the glass slider, Mr. Dobbs was given the same direction by officers, but kept his hand inside the lower front of his shirt. Before he could again walk back toward the bedroom, where a woman who may be a hostage was still inside, he was struck with two non-lethal rubber rounds to prevent him from retreating back inside the apartment. Mr. Dobbs was struck in the torso and started to fall forward. A second round also intended for his torso struck Mr. Dobbs in the face as he was falling to the ground. A doctor who is part of the county's tactical response team was on-scene and rendered immediate aid before Mr. Dobbs was transported to the hospital. In a consent search of the residence, officers located a small quantity of drugs. This is relevant because after interviewing all of the parties involved, it was clear that the people inside the apartment believed the drugs were the reason the police were at the residence. They were not aware of the alleged hostage situation. It was determined that this was a swatting incident.
We don't really know completely how it went down. Now, yes, certainly the guy shouldn't have gotten shot. Clearly.
But that doesn't mean we know all the details. What if the guy had a record for assault or illegal carry? What if the guy's door was locked, and so they busted it down and the guy 'jumped up' out of bed, arms still hidden by his sheets and the cops reacted quickly, knowing they were using rubber bullets.
In a hostage situation, there's not always time to think. You need to base your actions on instinct - hostages' and your's live depend on it.
I hope they make the example of the stupid guy who called the Police.
I understand why they acted how they did. Don't condone it though, but if they hadn't and this was a real situation, they could've been killed.
in before the victim blamingAh hell. So brother thought that they were there because he had weed in the house. That didn't help anything.
The fact that the police are so easily weaponized against innocent people is a big problem. This particular victim is lucky to be alive; that "non-lethal" bullet was about an inch away from killing him instantly.
The swatters deserve to go to jail for a long time. This is attempted murder in my book.
There are many cases where people do have hostages, break ins etc
Breaking into homes probably happens in the millions as most cities and small towns have
You can't go into these things thinking it's real or fake. There is a fine line that police cross on the aggressive side.
The issue is, police can treat you like your guilty and lying. They get use to bring heartless basically
Some have care, understanding etc but swat mentality seems quite broken
what happens when your instincts are completely wrong? oops we shot a dude. but at least we used our instincts!
I understand too: shitty cops who didn't do their fucking homework.
Also, I'm not a SWAT expert but I'd think a situation like this, if they really thought it was real, would normally handled by posting up outside, announcing your presence, having a hostage negotiator talk to him to convince him to release them and turn himself in, etc. If he was sitting there with explosives when they bust down the door he could have detonated and killed them and the hostages.
So on top of being stupid they were reckless.
This thread is bonkers. People should investigate more before posting.
Police called into the house twice. Had actually evacuated the rest of the family, and we're talking with Dobbs when he chose to disregard them and turn away to "get his girlfriend."
Terrible situation all around, but this kid put himself and the police in a bad situation.
But Dobbs described the same situation.Police would never lie in a police report after fucking up and shooting an innocent person in the face.
Two years is a lot imo
I'm not a law-knowing guy. But it looks like conspiracy and premeditated ordering of a hit/assault/battery and making a false report to police. Does doing these using a carriage service and/or across countries make it worse legally?
Two years is way too low.
Two years is a lot imo
A day in prison sounds like hell to me....
Two years in prison would fuck me for life no doubt. I may kill myself.
I don't think prison is always the answer myself.
People make mistakes, yeah swatting is bad and I wouldn't ever do it but if I did for whatever dumb reason, why kill me or mentally fuck me over forever.
We need to have more understanding and help for others.. Fucking them up may not be the best solution?
Case by case and see how the person acts. Thid is what court is for
I'm saying the book throwing posts are reactionary and unreasonable overall. It's swat mentality. It's American culture at heart.
Yes but I have accounted for all that just saying you can't just walk up and ring a door bell. That's how you get killed in the other situation of people that don't want life in prison. There is a line after all.Thing is, there are plenty of reasons they should have questioned this particular situation. If you get a call from someone demanding money or they'll shoot/blow up hostages and then you arrive on the scene where the supposed gunman and his hostages have no idea what you are talking then maybe you should take a step back and reassess things? Especially when you've already had multiple prank calls in the same year.
The more these "swatter" kids get arrested/charged for their actions, the faster this bullshit "trend" will stop.
Many people die in pranks, right m yes. People wont assume what you assume. Is that really that hard to imagine? It isn't bait, this is basic life.Madmaxthatsbait.gif
But I'll take it. You can't tell me the swatters had no idea that the victim might die. That right there is all you need to know about swatters. They might have well been holding the guns themselves. This ain't petty theft, or even simple assault.
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But I'll take it. You can't tell me the swatters had no idea that the victim might die. That right there is all you need to know about swatters. They might have well been holding the guns themselves. This ain't petty theft, or even simple assault.
Causing bodily harm, possibly death, and severe intimidation to a non-consenting innocent person is the intent and foreseeable result of swatting. It isn't skydiving, a decision one makes for oneself, and an accident happening. How about if some people conspire to and go through with intentionally inrerfering with the parachute to be more difficult to properly use, as a prank to scare someone and possibly kill them? Nah, two years would be too mean for that. /sMany people die in pranks, right m yes. People wont assume what you assume. Is that really that hard to imagine? It isn't bait, this is basic life.
People also sky dive believing they can't die. Not everyone believes someone will die from swatting, that's one of the issues, yes.
But it needs understanding, maybe a general life class is needed in school.
There are some people that may deserve prison for swatting and some that may not. We can't lump people as the same in my mind.
Obviously swatting is dumb, but many things people do are. Any harm to others is dumb to me.
A lot of UK people seem to hate Americans in my life experience but I still can't assume that's the case. It may be, but I don't know..
It's a news report and I don't know the people or situation. The court and judge can.
Not everyone knows everything. Believe it or not.Causing bodily harm, possibly death, and severe intimidation to a non-consenting innocent person is the intent and foreseeable result of swatting. It isn't skydiving, a decision one makes for oneself, and an accident happening. How about if some people conspire to and go through with intentionally inrerfering with the parachute to be more difficult to properly use, as a prank to scare someone and possibly kill them? Nah, two years would be too mean for that. /s
Though I disagree with any attempts to call swatting a 'prank'.
Would you guys find two years in prison as nothing. Starting tomorrow? I can't imagine it as nothing at all.In every single thread I've seen about SWATing I've always said it's fucking Attempted Murder. That is what this person should be charged with and 2 years is nothing.
Every single last case of it is Attempted Murder and the laws need to be changed so that people are charged with it. Every single time.