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Circana (NPD) October 2023: #1 Spider-Man 2 #2 Super Mario Wonder #3 AC Mirage; PS5 #1 Units + Revenue, NSW #2 Units, XBS #2 Revenue
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TheGodfather07
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It always happens when a new model is about to release. Same happened with PS4 before the slim aswell. The sales a month before were lower than normal.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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TheBomb
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I give credit to Microsoft trying new methods in delivering games. They have a vision. Then they learn to get it right, and they might in the future.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
They do have a MW3 bundle but it only started selling this month IIRC. It's for the new model I believe (the SM2 bundle is still using the old model).
More like several visions, which is part of Microsoft's bigger problem. They want to be everywhere without specializing in a specific lane to its fullest, so they excel nowhere. Some of their gaming initiatives cannibalize each other, and now we're seeing the rot of that.
It's why I'm rather tough on Sony/SIE when it comes to some of their own gaming initiatives and areas they're dipping their toes further into. I don't want to see what happened to Xbox, happen to PlayStation. Even if PlayStation could weather it better simply thanks to being a much stronger brand, it'd be a much bigger blow for Sony than the deteriorating state of Xbox has been for Microsoft.
But I digress. Back on topic...
Gambit2483
Member
It's strange that SMBW was the 2nd best selling (behind SM2) and yet didn't crack the top 20 YTD even though SM2 made 4th place. Maybe they are including bundled sales?
Either way Mario games tend to have extremely long legs. It should be in the top 20 easily by years end.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Not at all. There is already a question in that poll, and it is clearly not "which games do you like more?". That is your (incorrect) understanding. The poll has a different question.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Waning stock as Sony isn't adding to it and instead waiting for the Slim.
This is the same reason why Xbox has been outselling PS5 in Japan over the last couple of weeks. Sony has been clearing its PS5 stock, which means there will be days/weeks where there won't be any PS5 available to buy.
Luigi Mario
Member
Epic is not included in their publisher ranking.
Also:
Just like Larian, they don't report their digital sales to Circana (NPD).
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SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Take the L, dude. Just read the thread and you'll see what the discussion is about. You don't need a poll to figure out which console had better sales. That's what this thread is for.
FrankWza
Member
Not all, but we've seen the leaks. There's also the evangelists. Gaming is all encompassing and those comments were skewed towards published games being the deciding factor. Why? Because Microsoft bought 2 huge publishers and added it to xbox games. The comments were very similar and we've seen that happen far too often for it to be coincidental. We've seen copy/paste replies from social media to here.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So the question isn't what is written on the screen but what you interpreted it as, and everybody must agree with your incorrect interpretation?
Yeah so that mean that we have no data on 3 big October games (CP77, BG3, AW2).
Pretty big miss
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Shills and astroturfers exist, but to just proclaim someone that likes the games you don't like must be getting paid is just lazy discourse.
3liteDragon
Member
Why 8 instead of 11?
Reave
Member
Exactly right.
No one is saying that weird console evangelists/shills don't exist. They do.
It's when people assume that almost everyone who happens to like a thing is an evangelistic fanboy on a payroll that it becomes silly and unreasonable.
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demigod
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No, it wasn't.
It also didn't have Call of Duty beta to go against.
Xbox ecosystem vs xbox seriesWeird. Current charts show it was #1 last month.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Ah. That explains it. Cool.
DrFigs
Member
they won't
Most telling thing with starfield is it dropped below mortal kombat on the annual
Wonder if spiderman 2 beat spiderman 1 in units, double digit dollars growth could go either way
All hardware down yoy is a bit surprising, I thought the ps5 would be up, seems spiderman and mario did little for hardware but it is close to the holiday season
Wonder if spiderman 2 beat spiderman 1 in units, double digit dollars growth could go either way
All hardware down yoy is a bit surprising, I thought the ps5 would be up, seems spiderman and mario did little for hardware but it is close to the holiday season
Pelta88
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I don't think having the data for those three would have affected the Top 3, but for the 4th and 5th spots it's possible AW2 or BG3 could've changed those placements. CP 2077 may've placed in the Top 10 but most of those sales would've likely been digital.
James Sawyer Ford
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Starfield’s dream scenario certainly was (and continues) living rent free in their fictitious mind.
These results are not good for Microsoft. Their strategy of acquisitions and GamePass isn’t working. They need to think hard on their future strategy, because it’s clear that omitting and foreclosing on PlayStation is cannibalizing their relevance in the market
FrankWza
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I don't remember saying that, especially related to this conversation. The thread that was referenced was the "gaming" thread? It was never just about software and it wasn't about sales. The push was that xbox had the better year because they published more games. It was echoed enough because of a narrative push and because it skewed the argument. Regardless, it was ridiculous enough that you can't help but question it's validity.
StereoVsn
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Ahh, that makes sense although judging by reports OG PS5 might have been a better bet, lol.
Oh, and Xbox outselling PE5 is clearly due to star power of Phil in Japan. He is moving boxes!
Kenshin775
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Yakuza Ishin didn't make top 20 engagement on Xbox despite releasing on Game Pass 
PS5 and Switch so strong. I dont think Xbox will get a decent bump in sales until they start marketing for the next CoD.
PS5 and Switch so strong. I dont think Xbox will get a decent bump in sales until they start marketing for the next CoD.
Luigi Mario
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Mr Moose
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That's November I think.Yakuza Ishin didn't make top 20 engagement on Xbox despite releasing on Game Pass
PS5 and Switch so strong. I dont think Xbox will get a decent bump in sales until they start marketing for the next CoD.
balls of snow
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Good on ass creed. Its a 7/10 at the end of the day but still good to see the franchise still thriving.
Sanepar
Member
Here I don't know but on Era yes. Even mods there.
I need to know about services, another decline?
Mibu no ookami
Member
Don't think Sony changes too much. This is year 3 of the life cycle, compared to years 1 and 2. The pandemic made certain things necessary as well.
DrFigs
Member
well fortunately for them cod will be the best selling game next month, so they have that going for them. what a great company
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Call of Duty is dying any day now guys.
Gambit2483
Member
A rental service by design goes directly against sales, sustainable sales and player investment. There's no real money to be made in this kind of model beyond subs and subs are heavily dependent on more and more content (which just costs more and more money).
Basically Gamepass is the antithesis of GAAS/live service, which the latter heavily relies on sales and player investment. Maybe MS knows something the rest of the industry doesn't..
Pelta88
Member
well fortunately for them cod will be the best selling game next month, so they have that going for them. what a great company
I wonder what the platform split will look like?
Mibu no ookami
Member
Me too, but I think Mario Wonder rebounds a bit during the holidays.
People ignore the fact that PS5 became much easier to purchase last year and that isn't something that can be replicated. It's why I don't think PS5 will hit 12 million units. We'll see how it does in November though. CoD bundle will surely underperform making it almost impossible for them to hit their targets.
Starfield is a complete flop and it's time we recognize it as such. Microsoft has to re-evaluate their entire strategy after the game's failure. Forza's failure is just outright embarrassing. I tried to tell people that it wasn't going to move the needle because people already bought Horizon, but I was told, this is completely different this is the motorsport release. As I said, it didn't matter.
Anyone who thinks Avowed and Hellblade are going to do ANYTHING for Xbox are purposefully delusional. We're unfortunately looking at a dead console and a dying brand.
There is no way you can develop Elder's Scrolls for Xbox and PC only, even with next gen Xbox if that's a thing. They can't keep absorbing these costs into GamePass. I don't think GamePass was truly profitable before, but it certainly isn't now. Being outsold by Mortal Kombat? A game that probably cost 4x less to create... This is extremely negligent practice on Microsoft's behalf and the only reason why XBS and GamePass haven't been discontinued already is Microsoft's overall wealth.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, they know they're the only ones as a trillion dollar company that can stand on top of the ashes when they help usher in the loss leading race to the bottom. Thankfully, it seems most gamers don't care for this kind of Black Mirror sub future.A rental service by design goes directly against sales, sustainable sales and player investment. There's no real money to be made in this kind of model beyond subs and subs are heavily dependent on more and more content (which just costs more and more money).
Basically Gamepass is the antithesis of GAAS/live service, which the latter heavily relies on sales and player investment. Maybe MS knows something the rest of the industry doesn't..
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Mibu no ookami
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A LOT of developers are going to get hurt in the process.
Turn 10 Studios headcount for the last 6 months is down 3% on linkedin. I expect this will only get worse when they're forced to layoff staff.
Why because the Xbox users are conditioned not to buy games, and GamePass can't maintain multiple racing games.
GamePass might have just killed that studio and that franchise. Meanwhile, Gran Turismo has got a new lease on life due to the PS5 and PS VR2.
Mibu no ookami
Member
A rental service by design goes directly against sales, sustainable sales and player investment. There's no real money to be made in this kind of model beyond subs and subs are heavily dependent on more and more content (which just costs more and more money).
Basically Gamepass is the antithesis of GAAS/live service, which the latter heavily relies on sales and player investment. Maybe MS knows something the rest of the industry doesn't..
"value-destructive" - Bobby Kotick
Woopah
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Switch hardware is good for its age, but I do think its a bit disappointing. I was expecting the new bundles to have a greater effect.
Spiderman had an extra year of PS5 supply and globally its doing simailrly to Ragnarok. I don't think Sony sees cross gen as a mistakeSpiderman going all the way up to #4 for the year after just ten days on sale is something else. CRAZY that sony made HFW, GT7 and GOW Ragnorak cross gen. Spiderman 2 might not be pushing matrix quality visuals but it has its next gen holy shit moments thanks to the ps5 ssd and cpu. Hope Sony learns from this going into PS6.
7th now!
Is it supposed to say October estimates?
I think it shows that there was a massvie gap betewen 1 and 2 this month. Spiderman outdid Mairo physically, plus it has digital included plus it costs more.
yazenov
Member
Said absolutely no sane person.
But, it's on a decline. 25% down in UK boxed charts and 25 % down on Steam launch week. 25% is a steep decline, especially for a huge mega-franchise like COD.
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mckmas8808
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1000% agree with you here!Spiderman going all the way up to #4 for the year after just ten days on sale is something else. CRAZY that sony made HFW, GT7 and GOW Ragnorak cross gen. Spiderman 2 might not be pushing matrix quality visuals but it has its next gen holy shit moments thanks to the ps5 ssd and cpu. Hope Sony learns from this going into PS6.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Another reason why Player Count is a meaningless stat.
Spider-Man 2 not only outsold Starfield in a week but the drop off for Starfield is massive. From #1 to #14 in no time
Spider-Man 2 not only outsold Starfield in a week but the drop off for Starfield is massive. From #1 to #14 in no time
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Freelance Yakuza
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Yep
They keep trying to gaslight people, as if there wasn't any hype surrounding Starfield launch
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Another reason why Player Count is a meaningless stat.
Spider-Man 2 not only outsold Starfield in a week but the drop off for Starfield is massive. From #1 to #14 in no time
Facts!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Player count "engagement" is a meaningful metric if you're in the data harvesting business. Otherwise, it's meaningless in the sales volume business. Especially for single player games.Another reason why Player Count is a meaningless stat.
Spider-Man 2 not only outsold Starfield in a week but the drop off for Starfield is massive. From #1 to #14 in no time
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