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CNN dives into Japan's School Girl culture, examines "the dark truth"
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You're kidding right?
perfectchaos007
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uhhhh that porn is thriving right now in the US. some porn stars who are 18-19 actually try to make themselves look younger than that. As long as they are legal 18 they can do what they want with their appearance.
ZeronosVega
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I know that there are Japanese people with light brown hair. The first person who comes to mind is Kento Handa (see below), who played in Kamen Rider 555. I don't know of any Japanese people with hazel-colored eyes, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are. It's certainly less common.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Uhm..."just legal teens" and "schoolgirls" and stuff are crazy popular in the US and the West. If there's a difference its that it is basically restricted to porn sites, as opposed to seriously spilling over into the rest of art, media and commerce
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
you cant be serious. How do you not know of hustler's barely legal series?
Or the hundreds of sites for 18 year olds who are new to adult videos?
lol im blown away by this tbh. I can understand 90s kids not knowing about the barely legal series, but How do you miss all this 18 year old stuff on websites right now?
ThreePiMatt
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Come on.... really? I know sarcasm on the internet can be hard to pick up some times, but he was laying it on pretty thick.
CornBurrito
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I'm not going to buy lies like this that attempt to say Western culture is a deviant culture. Cougar porn is the most popular genre in western countries because western men appreciate age and experience.
Northeastmonk
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Heck, I was told in a healthcare course that women started grooming to look younger in the adult films industry. You have to not view porn at all to not know that "young" and "looking young" are huge. I bet "Teen" is probably in the top 10 in every single country for porn searches. Sex transverses every single language. It's almost like breathing air if you ask me. It's always going to be around.
Sure, and every country has some level of institutional racism. But countries like the US should still be called out for their particularly large problems with institutional racism.
Japan only recently banned possession of child pornography. It banned child prostitution in the 90s. Coverage of child abuse has only recently been expanding. The subcultures that sexualize children are much more prominent than they are in most other countries. There is clearly a problem in Japan that can't just be chalked up to "all countries do that."
perfectchaos007
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I think the issue here is, in Japan they actually use underage girls to exploit, while in America it's legal girls that look young. There's a pretty significant difference with what's going on in both countries in regards to exploitation. The US does need to be more aggressive in stopping trafficking though. That may be just as bad in the US as it is in Japan.
ajim
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I dunno, I don't think it is as rampant as maybe the article is making it out to be.
I've been to Japan multiple times and it is easy to avoid anything really related to children, and over the years it has been isolated and stigmatised to a degree where it is becoming less popular.
Sure, the little lolita cafe's have girls parading and advertising all up the streets of Akiba and whatnot, but that is about as in your face as you'll get with this stuff. The rest is reserved to the seedy sex stores which house this stuff, and is getting less and less common.
I've come across it a few times because I've been in some of those seedy sex stores, otherwise, I think Japan is at least heading in the right direction.
I've been to Japan multiple times and it is easy to avoid anything really related to children, and over the years it has been isolated and stigmatised to a degree where it is becoming less popular.
Sure, the little lolita cafe's have girls parading and advertising all up the streets of Akiba and whatnot, but that is about as in your face as you'll get with this stuff. The rest is reserved to the seedy sex stores which house this stuff, and is getting less and less common.
I've come across it a few times because I've been in some of those seedy sex stores, otherwise, I think Japan is at least heading in the right direction.
I can almost see her pantsu~ ;3~~
MrCunningham
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think there's also a discussion to be had about the normalization that occurs when things go beyond just "porn", which occupies sort of a mental bucket, and become a theme running through media (both fictional and non) and ultimately spill over into the acceptance of the practices outlined in the OP
John Kowalski
Banned
I don't even want to think about the Idol industry. Also the video does an incredibly poor job keeping off the girl's legs and hips. You'd think for a video in favor of safekeeping adolescent women and children from sexual exploitation you'd make an effort not to mimic sexually objectifying imagery in your reportage.
deathkiller
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Actually is the opposite or so I heard/read. HS is hell since going to a good university requires great grades and influence the greatly the job opportunities. University life is supposed to be far more relaxed.
Human trafficking is an enormous problem in the US, especially since our politicians are rarely willing to talk about it.
Doesn't help that policies tough on immigration encourage victims to stay silent.
psynergylover
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Took Japan until 2014 to outlaw child pornography
Age of Consent is 13!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Age of Consent is 13!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Your nonchalant attitude while also describing an entire district in Tokyo full of "little lolita cafe's" combined with your avatar.... is interesting to say the least.
Cafe's like that are exactly what this article's main topic is; so how does what you say argue that it's not as rampant as the article makes it out to be?
Subpar Scrub
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Bounce Ko Gals is a good movie about this mess, it's pretty spot on about how deep the rabbit hole goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IO1rqEedU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IO1rqEedU8
As someone from a nation where the age of consent is 16 I do feel the need to say "....and?" to some of this.
Now don't get me wrong....I do think that prostitution needs to be better regulated (Which is what some of the "out of club" activities are) although whether you fix that at "age of consent" or higher is something that's open for debate; personally I'd probably say 21 but others would probably say differently. As for the clubs themselves, well they're hostess bars...frankly as long there's clear policies on what customers can and cannot do, and they're well enforced then I don't see the problem. My only issue is people who are forced into either prostitution or hostessing...but again regulation, inspection, and clear guidelines about helping vulnerable people in those circumstances should help clear up the vast majority of abuses.
For the manga/anime....this leaves me very conflicted. I mean the OP even quotes there is no proven link between it and offences against children, and by its very nature there are no real children involved. It's horrible, it's offensive, but is it free speech? I don't know. If you can't show criminal or illegal acts does this now mean you can't show murder, or theft? It's a "Thin end of the wedge" argument, but one that holds weight in this case. Again, coming from my own nation child porn is obviously banned, but then this was extended to the drawn form, and then the drawn form of anything covered in the obscene publications act, and now covers some forms of bondage and domination. Our rights as a nation to watch consenting adults take part in acts that are legal to perform have been criminalised. The current law means that while two 16 year olds having sex is fine if one of them made a sex tape out of it they would be deemed to have committed a criminal act.
This whole issue is a minefield...but I do have to say that looking from the outside the US has one of the least healthy attitudes to sex I have ever seen. Where a single nipple during a "costume malfunction" caused national outrage. Most other nations would just go "...oh well"
Now don't get me wrong....I do think that prostitution needs to be better regulated (Which is what some of the "out of club" activities are) although whether you fix that at "age of consent" or higher is something that's open for debate; personally I'd probably say 21 but others would probably say differently. As for the clubs themselves, well they're hostess bars...frankly as long there's clear policies on what customers can and cannot do, and they're well enforced then I don't see the problem. My only issue is people who are forced into either prostitution or hostessing...but again regulation, inspection, and clear guidelines about helping vulnerable people in those circumstances should help clear up the vast majority of abuses.
For the manga/anime....this leaves me very conflicted. I mean the OP even quotes there is no proven link between it and offences against children, and by its very nature there are no real children involved. It's horrible, it's offensive, but is it free speech? I don't know. If you can't show criminal or illegal acts does this now mean you can't show murder, or theft? It's a "Thin end of the wedge" argument, but one that holds weight in this case. Again, coming from my own nation child porn is obviously banned, but then this was extended to the drawn form, and then the drawn form of anything covered in the obscene publications act, and now covers some forms of bondage and domination. Our rights as a nation to watch consenting adults take part in acts that are legal to perform have been criminalised. The current law means that while two 16 year olds having sex is fine if one of them made a sex tape out of it they would be deemed to have committed a criminal act.
This whole issue is a minefield...but I do have to say that looking from the outside the US has one of the least healthy attitudes to sex I have ever seen. Where a single nipple during a "costume malfunction" caused national outrage. Most other nations would just go "...oh well"
It's 14 in many Western countries.
Palculator
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Can confirm.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
13 in some also. Though there's generally rules in regards to those over the age of 18 engaging with those ages
It's kind of funny because when I went to Japan with my wife, she really wanted to go to a maid café and asked me if I wanted to go. I looked at her and wondered if this was some sort of trap and said, only if she wanted to. The "girl" outside who was handing out fliers for the maid café directed us to the elevator that would take us to the restaurant in a cute child like high pitched voice. Then as we waited for the elevator she pulls out her walky talky and in a significantly deeper voice lets the staff know that she is sending us up. I had to laugh.
Aside from that it's just a bunch of 20 something year old girls pretending to be cute teenagers. Less sexual then I expected. More like "little sister" type role playing, which I guess some are into. The food sucked by my wife enjoyed it and we got a picture there. My choice for café was the CAPCOM café. Now that was awesome!!!
Aside from that it's just a bunch of 20 something year old girls pretending to be cute teenagers. Less sexual then I expected. More like "little sister" type role playing, which I guess some are into. The food sucked by my wife enjoyed it and we got a picture there. My choice for café was the CAPCOM café. Now that was awesome!!!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
But why would he be sarcastic there? That makes no sense. The user he quoted said nothing that needed to be made fun of.
His other post in this thread was a bit more obvious.
Skulduggery
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D:
I'm a total weaboo, no argument there. Love Japan with all my heart.
But yeah that's fucked up.
I'm a total weaboo, no argument there. Love Japan with all my heart.
But yeah that's fucked up.
alfredofroylan
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Things like this happen in many places, my country has some really awful things that are way worse than this.
Seriously I hate this kind of reactions.
Never understood the general desire of men in general to want young girls/women that are 18 or there abouts.
Kids are fucking idiots. The last thing I want or need is to be attached to a goddamned teenager in a relationship. Hard enough making it work as it is, I would self destruct trying to have a relationship with an 18 year old.
Kids are fucking idiots. The last thing I want or need is to be attached to a goddamned teenager in a relationship. Hard enough making it work as it is, I would self destruct trying to have a relationship with an 18 year old.
This is to prevent people being charged with statutory rape though. You still can't have sex with minors. It's to not label teens experimenting on their own prerogative as sexual offenders for the rest of their lives.
The real question is what constitutes a minor in a country.
Nothing offensive about that.
psynergylover
Member
Bruh, there's a site called that in english, was the first link on google
Chairmanchuck
Member
So.
Junior Gravure Idols DVDs in which they eat ice that looks like semen, wear tiny swimsuits and imitate sexual poses are still legal?
Junior Gravure Idols DVDs in which they eat ice that looks like semen, wear tiny swimsuits and imitate sexual poses are still legal?
It's hard to see through a dense cloud of defensiveness
Unbelievable how bad people's sarcasm detectors are. Really.
Open sexuality is repressed
Cuteness and youth is hyper sought after / sexualized
Women over 25 are considered over the hill or undesirable (Christmas Cakes)
Future for women's careers / rights are awful in Japan as well (Good luck ever having a child + career), which is also why they have so many Host bars (for career women).
Their outlets suck all the time, so they do something when they are desired. That's my guess why though, I'd love to hear reasoning for it from the girls doing it though.
Open sexuality is repressed
Cuteness and youth is hyper sought after / sexualized
Women over 25 are considered over the hill or undesirable (Christmas Cakes)
Future for women's careers / rights are awful in Japan as well (Good luck ever having a child + career), which is also why they have so many Host bars (for career women).
Their outlets suck all the time, so they do something when they are desired. That's my guess why though, I'd love to hear reasoning for it from the girls doing it though.
kingkaiser
Member
Some people in this thread should watch Taxi Driver, it might blow their little puritan minds.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Watch it regardless of state of mind. Fantastic film.
kuroneko0509
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The topic on compensated dating is definitely something of a hot topic. Enjou-kousai as its called. Some of the articles out there talk about how high school girls really can't resist such things, you're being offered 10,000 to up to 30,000y for a date.
Here's an article on Telephone clubs that goes into Enjou-kousai with underaged participants back in 1996:
http://kyushu.com/gleaner/issue43/tel.shtml
I really wonder about the Christmas Cake sentiment, could that ever change? It's very heavily ingrained in Asian culture, while it wasn't as big of a thing in the west in comparison when we went through our phase.
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