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[chillybright]

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/05/destiny-2-wont-use-dedicated-servers-on-pc/

In a lengthy interview with PC Gamer, Bungie's head of PC David Shaw confirmed that server infrastructure for the game was "complicated" and that they "do not have dedicated servers for Destiny 2 on PC" - and presumably not on consoles either.

This is the direct quote from PC Gamer:

Is it still peer-to-peer in terms of the multiplayer? Are there dedicated servers?

It is a complicated typology. We do not have dedicated servers for Destiny 2 on PC.

http://www.pcgamer.com/how-bungie-plans-to-make-destiny-2-on-pc-legit-on-day-one/

P2P me if old.

 

[Snagret]

That's unfortunate.

As someone who never played Destiny but is planning on getting the PC version: Did the first game also not have dedicated servers and was it generally fine from a connection standpoint?

 

[UnluckyKate]

what about social zone ?

 

[LiK]

That is awful.

 

[Alexander DeLarge]

This won't be a popular opinion but I don't mind given that it's 4v4. I've found that peer2peer really starts to show when it's 6v6-8v8.

 

[Carn82]

what about social zone ?

What do you mean? Everything is peer-to-peer.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

P2P isn't always bad. Sometimes it's better than dedicated servers depending on the situation/context/location of players.

 

[Renekton]

P2P isn't always bad. Sometimes it's better than dedicated servers depending on the situation/context/location of players.

It does become interesting if the host's PC is a laggy toaster.

 

[Calm Mind]

It's like Activision is going out of their way to systematically destroy any chance of the PC version becoming a success.

 

[CryptiK]

Wait does it have dedicated servers on console? Also dayum this could hurt for streams, let the ddosing commence.

 

[Reckless Onion]

For fuck sake bungie.

 

[LiK]

Wait does it have dedicated servers on console? Also dayum this could hurt for streams, let the ddosing commence.

There are other methods cheaters use to try to win Trials and I was a victim once. It's horrible.

 

[Kyoufu]

Wait does it have dedicated servers on console? Also dayum this could hurt for streams, let the ddosing commence.

Nope. It's always been P2P on consoles

 

[Kilau]

Host carousel in laggy raids to continue, yay.

 

[Abilidebob]

Wait does it have dedicated servers on console? Also dayum this could hurt for streams, let the ddosing commence.

I sincerely doubt they have dedicated servers.

 

[Kysen]

If Overwatch can manage it why cant destiny?

 

[SgtCobra]

Absolutely terrible, get ready for 3 more years of Crucible fuckery!

 

[hypernima]

P2P isn't always bad. Sometimes it's better than dedicated servers depending on the situation/context/location of players.

Nah, it's pretty bad, made a lot of sixes games unplayable for me.

I feel like this should be a must for the PC version. Seems like a flub for no reason.

If Dedis were something much requested for the console version by a lot of D1 players, you can imagine a lot of people (like me) will be disappointed. :\

 

[EvB]

Wait does it have dedicated servers on console? Also dayum this could hurt for streams, let the ddosing commence.

No, nor did the first.

I don't personally see it as a big issue, Destiny was hardly a precision game. However , it sounds like they are trying to pitch it as a more competitive game, which is at odds with this announcement.

 

[Sofa King]

Welcome back all you red bar warriors.

 

[Spoo]

Jeeeezus. No 60 fps on console, no dedicated servers period.

Hugely disappointing.

 

[Kthulhu]

Go fuck yourself Activision. Stop being so cheap with your multiplayer.

 

[Complicated]

It's embarrassing how behind the times Bungie is tech-wise. Remember when halo 2 was more feature-rich than Xbox live itself, and was basically the blueprint for what Xbox live would become? Now they're putting out the only 30fps P2P multiplayer shooter in recent memory.

 

[patapuf]

If Overwatch can manage it why cant destiny?

Overwatch has dedicated servers.

And i'm 90% sure it does have them on console too.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Destiny 1 connection was trash in PVP due to this shit. At least it seems like match servers only while stats and all this mumbo jumbo is still server protected like it console version.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

It's embarrassing how behind the times Bungie is tech-wise. Remember when halo 2 was more feature-rich than Xbox live itself, and was basically the blueprint for what Xbox live would become? Now they're putting out the only 30fps P2P multiplayer shooter in recent memory.

Yeah seriously. For a company with such industry influencing innovation in its past this is pretty embarrassing.

Hearing about p2p servers just brings back awful memories of the host advantage in Halo 2 and Gears 1. Standbying, bridging host using zone alarm pro etc etc.

 

[patapuf]

It's embarrassing how behind the times Bungie is tech-wise. Remember when halo 2 was more feature-rich than Xbox live itself, and was basically the blueprint for what Xbox live would become? Now they're putting out the only 30fps P2P multiplayer shooter in recent memory.

This is almost certainly about cost, not know-how.

 

[Kthulhu]

That's unfortunate.

As someone who never played Destiny but is planning on getting the PC version: Did the first game also not have dedicated servers and was it generally fine from a connection standpoint?

Your mileage may vary. It usually was okay for me, but host switching was always a shit show when it happened.

 

[Hux1ey]

Lame.

 

[Floody]

Please make it prioritize location at least then. So sick of always having a red bar connection.

 

[LifEndz]

Damn. The red bars in iron banner will be prevelant again. Are they just being cheap or is there some advantage to p2p?

 

[Distresssss]

Between this and it not launching day 1 on PC they lost one purchase from me.


Interest is completely gone.

 

[LiK]

Damn. The red bars in iron banner will be prevelant again. Are they just being cheap or is there some advantage to p2p?

cheap

 

[Kade]

If Overwatch can manage it why cant destiny?

Overwatch is not peer to peer.

 

[DrROBschiz]

lol

They have all this activision money but wont spend it where it would make the largest impact

oh well

I care more about the co op anyways

 

[ISee]

The division also had no dedicated servers on PC. Cheaters were very happy about that.

 

[Sofa King]

Damn. The red bars in iron banner will be prevelant again. Are they just being cheap or is there some advantage to p2p?

They aren't just in iron banner, they are everywhere thanks to SBMM

 

[Tecnniqe]

The division also had no dedicated servers on PC. Cheaters were very happy about that.

The division also had complete client trust something destiny never had for the consoles. To my knowledge anyway.

 

[Caja 117]

Overwatch is not peer to peer.

Is not open world either.

 

[RichiRamjag]

That's unfortunate.

As someone who never played Destiny but is planning on getting the PC version: Did the first game also not have dedicated servers and was it generally fine from a connection standpoint?

Iron banana could be a lagfest for specific players at times. Could be pretty frustrating.

 

[Kthulhu]

Damn. The red bars in iron banner will be prevelant again. Are they just being cheap or is there some advantage to p2p?

P2P is fine if all the players have a reliable connection. Unfortunately, in the US and many other countries, their service sucks, and it drags everyone down.

P2P is way cheaper than servers, though this is one of the biggest publishers in the world and this really should've been a priority for them. COD is also P2P, so I imagine it's Activision being cheap.

 

[Carn82]

The division also had complete client trust something destiny never had for the consoles. To my knowledge anyway.

Yeah. Destiny still has game-logic and ticks running on Bungie's servers; it's not 100% peer-to-peer in that regards.

 

[Heysoos]

Fuck that

 

[scoobs]

This is a pretty big deal. The Crucible was nearly unplayable for me due to bad hosts and red bar players teleporting around the map killing people. I really don't know if I can support this game.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Nah, it's pretty bad, made a lot of sixes games unplayable for me.

I feel like this should be a must for the PC version. Seems like a flub for no reason.

If Dedis were something much requested for the console version by a lot of D1 players, you can imagine a lot of people (like me) will be disappointed. :

For sure. I'd definitely prefer dedis.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Yeah seriously. For a company with such industry influencing innovation in its past this is pretty embarrassing.

Hearing about p2p servers just brings back awful memories of the host advantage in Halo 2 and Gears 1. Standbying, bridging host using zone alarm pro etc etc.

That was a dark time in halo. Didn't ruin the game by any means, but I hated that shit.

 

[entremet]

For fuck sake bungie.

U mean Activision?

 

[ChazGW7]

It's embarrassing how behind the times Bungie is tech-wise. Remember when halo 2 was more feature-rich than Xbox live itself, and was basically the blueprint for what Xbox live would become? Now they're putting out the only 30fps P2P multiplayer shooter in recent memory.

That really puts it into perspective. How disappointing.

 

[Finaika]

Is this the same with the first game?

 

[HowZatOZ]

P2P isn't always bad. Sometimes it's better than dedicated servers depending on the situation/context/location of players.

No, it's always bad. There is never a perfect situation with peer2peer, because of the reliance on an actual player's connection and hoping the algorithm working behind the scenes chose someone who actually has a good hosting speed. 99% of the time it turns out bad and everyone lags bar the host.

As another poster said, it's like Bungie and Activision are actively destroying the PC community before it even begins. MMOs are the big dogs on PC, it's our nature to breed them. I was super excited to finally see the Destiny brand come to PC and create a magical world but that isn't seeming to be the case. A real shame, I want to live in the devs world but I can't do it on console because it doesn't mesh with me.