dragonelite
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Dam i expected like 50 fps minimal drop but 29 fps on X1, kinda dissapointed
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Digital Foundry: Hands-On with Project Cars
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John Bender
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If everything breaks, I'm "okay" with 30fps.
I can live with that.
But under 30fps is horrible -_-
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Even worse, you can't lock the framerate which is the worst possible situation.
Miles Quaritch
Member
They can probably do weather... just without reflections or any other weather effectSlippery road mode I guess.
I mean, their decision not to have weather so far makes sense if this is the kind of hit it has on performance, but at the same time, they can't really keep ignoring it either.
I'm thinking they'll probably use the weather effects from Horizon 2. Those are decent, but don't really compare to what we're seeing in PC.
Jesus Christ if that's what they indicate.
This might have worse tearing than Borderlands/Sniper Elite if those lines are anything to go by. Fuck.
It still needs to hit a constant 60fps first. With barrel distortion and 3d stereoscopy as well...
That's not going to be any short order for this game by the looks of it.
They can probably do weather... just without reflections or any other weather effect
In projects cars, it's the simulation and tire model that affects the performance in these situations. It wasn't that long ago when in PC alpha the fps halved when it started raining. They didn't even have most of the current weather effects implemented yet.
Ouch, I saw a couple sub-30 fps drops on Xbox One during the rain footage. On PS4, the framerate is also wildly unstable in the rain, but consistently higher than Xbox One.
In dry weather, PS4 seems like a nice almost locked 60 fps, with Xbox One seeing more frequent dips below 60.
Not good when it's only 900p compared to 1080p on PS4.
In dry weather, PS4 seems like a nice almost locked 60 fps, with Xbox One seeing more frequent dips below 60.
Not good when it's only 900p compared to 1080p on PS4.
I'm not a sim racer. But I can do some reasoning.
A racing sim is not a high-reflexes game. Is about knowing the physics and behaviour of your car and be able to control it.
And you can do it at 30 fps perfectly.
There are no high-speed moving traps on the road you have to dodge, there are no walls that suddently appears in front of you.
You can be conscious of everything around you at 30 fps and if you are not high of anything, you should be able to react and control your car fine.
Yes, at 60 fps is obviously better, but is really far from a 'requeriment'.
Oh well. That's weird too. Yeah they may be being lit incoirrectly.....I'm not talking about the screen display. I'm talking about the buttons
I wonder who at Bandai Namco thought it was a good idea to let this hands-on happen on unfinished code.
I never had the money to guarantee 60FPS on my PC during all my years of simracing, I managed just fine.
I never had the money to guarantee 60FPS on my PC during all my years of simracing, I managed just fine.
well, by the time Morpheus releases (1st QTR 2016)..SMS might have Project Cars running more consistently after a few patches and sacrifices.
If get this it'll likely be on PC. Will wait to see how final code lands on PS4 before making final choice as this is clearly still not final hence useless for making any decision now.
It does feel like they just took a PC centric title with options and put it on console. I kind of like that even if it might screw up those experiencing a console title to always been tuned for performance preventing you upsetting the applecart with options but I'm kind of curious to see how it turns out when released into the wild.
It does feel like they just took a PC centric title with options and put it on console. I kind of like that even if it might screw up those experiencing a console title to always been tuned for performance preventing you upsetting the applecart with options but I'm kind of curious to see how it turns out when released into the wild.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm thinking that MS should have sent over some help like they did with Destiny, because goddamn.
There's a near constant double digit difference in frame-rate when it really drops.
Good grief...
There's a near constant double digit difference in frame-rate when it really drops.
Good grief...
The performance shown here is around what I was expecting. Some comments on what I saw and read:
1. This is not the final build, so an analysis doesn't make much sense to me at this stage?
2. All tests seem to be done with max cars, which is a bit misleading. I mean, most races are not against 43 AIs. In fact, a little amount of them are. Yes, you can create them, but I doubt many people will want to race 43 AIs every single time.
3. This is something that hasn't been commented, but it's also important: It's not only that there're 44 cars, but there're a lot of different types of cars. This means that the stress put on the hardware is even bigger because the hardware needs to deal with more different models.
4. Performance seems to be pretty solid in all conditions. I mean, there're no sudden drops from what I've seen. There're relative drops, which is far better than sudden drops.
5. Performance on PS4 seems to be quite good. 45 fps in rain conditionss with so many cars sounds right to me. XO performance ranges from okay to ugly.
6. 35fps at night with thunderstorm conditions is something people shouldn't take much into account. I have the game since 2011, have clocked more than 570h (not counting the time spent on builds before the game was Steamworks) and probably have raced one or two times in those conditions. As exciting as it may sound, this is a sim, racing in thunderstorm conditions is not fun.
7. DF should have recorded these with the AI controlling their car. :lol, I know this is an analysis and all, but do you a favor and get a new set of hands
All in all, I think the PS4 versions is very, very solid. The XO not so much.
1. This is not the final build, so an analysis doesn't make much sense to me at this stage?
2. All tests seem to be done with max cars, which is a bit misleading. I mean, most races are not against 43 AIs. In fact, a little amount of them are. Yes, you can create them, but I doubt many people will want to race 43 AIs every single time.
3. This is something that hasn't been commented, but it's also important: It's not only that there're 44 cars, but there're a lot of different types of cars. This means that the stress put on the hardware is even bigger because the hardware needs to deal with more different models.
4. Performance seems to be pretty solid in all conditions. I mean, there're no sudden drops from what I've seen. There're relative drops, which is far better than sudden drops.
5. Performance on PS4 seems to be quite good. 45 fps in rain conditionss with so many cars sounds right to me. XO performance ranges from okay to ugly.
6. 35fps at night with thunderstorm conditions is something people shouldn't take much into account. I have the game since 2011, have clocked more than 570h (not counting the time spent on builds before the game was Steamworks) and probably have raced one or two times in those conditions. As exciting as it may sound, this is a sim, racing in thunderstorm conditions is not fun.
7. DF should have recorded these with the AI controlling their car. :lol, I know this is an analysis and all, but do you a favor and get a new set of hands
All in all, I think the PS4 versions is very, very solid. The XO not so much.
Scaramanger
Member
I think it would have been fairer of DF to include a more realistic situation as well - lets say a field of 20 F1 cars at Hockenheim or Spa rain on and then rain off.
Dredd97
Member
got to get those clicks!
Not sure why people are calling my post out like it's not relevant here. The examples are gameplay options with performance tradeoffs. I don't want that in console games. Give me gameplay options that work equally well. Keep the rest on PC, where choice is essential. People use these systems with very different mindsets. I want to think about all this when I'm playing on my PC. I just want to pick up and play when I'm on my console. It's fixed hardware. I shouldn't be made to worry about this shit.
....I'm not talking about the screen display. I'm talking about the buttons
Yes the buttons have lights in them and the PS4 is rendering it properly.
The XB1 version is missing the lights in that shot but whether that is a graphical issue on the XB1 remains to be seen.
Scaramanger
Member
This is a good analysis of what we are seeing here!
Aceofspades
Banned
PS4 Version is easily superior to X1, I mean higher resolution AND average Fps.
I would be annoyed too. I think the comment was they were more annoyed at the publisher for allowing it to happen than Eurogamer for making the article as it is unfinished code that has had performance improvements put in place since then.
I think it is potentially damaging to the developer for this to be put out there without making sure the code is at least representative of final code (even if not 100% like for like) but in this case it does not seem to be.
Didn't do much for the XB1 which has drops below 30. There is no telling how much it would help.
Dropping sub-30 is going to be a hell of a lot more jarring than hovering in the high 40s.
Yes the buttons have lights in them and the PS4 is rendering it properly.
The XB1 version is missing the lights in that shot but whether that is a graphical issue on the XB1 remains to be seen.
Ooooh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.
No thanks!
The PS4 version has no problems with 60 fps in dry weather, and on top of that it's an old build from February, so the rain gameplay should be much closer to 60 fps in the final build.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'll just race in the dry then. 900p is acceptable to me if it improves performance.
The point is answered in the following statement from the developers (Andy Tudor), taken from an article in Sept 2014.
If it's a CPU limitation, that won't help I think
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I'm not an expert but woudn't a dynamic resolution be the way to go here?
I remember Wipeout altering the resolution dynamicly to keep a steady framerate.
SO we can have 1080p during untaxing condistions and once the framerate would start to tank the resulution goes down a bit, to keep it steady.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Thanks.
Not sure how much stock I put in those without a source to back them up, but this wouldn't be the first time DF have analysed an old build.
amstradcpc
Member
The problem is if they have gotten rid of constant screan tearing in rainy weather. Thats the main problem i see here.
That's dependent on whether the game is CPU or GPU bound.
If it's CPU bound, it will not help.
Windom Earle
Member
I will definitely get this on PC for graphics and wheel support.
Does he also says that there is no screen tearing and there is a steady 60 fps in the gold build at list in one configuration of the settings? Because if not, it's not relevant.
Edit: ok, I saw the additional comments. I think since they teamed up with B-N their PR and communication is so much worse. Communicating in an echo chamber (WMD forums) is not the best way to do it.
BillGaitas
Member
Here's what Andy Garton, Development Director on pCars had to say about this on the members forum (link for those with access)
Aye. Screen tearing is the vomit of Satan.
Considering the fact that the game doesn't run at 60 unless you meet certain criteria, I don't think it's sad to have a frame limiter. I don't want my game to yoyo up and down. If the game can't fucking handle 60 fps, at least offer opportunity for a consistent experience.
justsomeguy
Member
Not good enough.
And I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about this gen of consoles.
And I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about this gen of consoles.
Thanks.
This should be put in OP and should calm down a few "pre-order cancelled" people in this thread.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Hm, could this be fixed with optimization? The Ps4s GPU is perfect for taking on CPU tasks, could the devs optimize their game so taht the CPU won't be a problem anymore?