Sure, but is there any actual defamation here? I wasn't denying that defamation would justify the lawsuit, but nothing in that post qualifies as defamation as far as I can see, and that likely means that few of the 100 Steam users have actually done something they can justifiably be sued over.
Actually, that I would disagre with. Generally speaking; when there are valid claims of Defamation anonymously posted on the internet, the law is replete with cases in most jurisdictions that allow third party discovery to discover the identity of those individuals. Death threats aren't the qualifier here.
In for a penny.
I can't wait to see peoples reaction if they win lmao.
Who was joking? It was expected.
It's a slippery slope if Valve releases personal information to 2 individuals rather than the correct authority.
It's a matter more for the police than the lawyers though if we're talking death threats and something unsavoury happens at their house, just suing them isn't going to do shit in the long run and on top of that they'd have to prove that fatwank90 is indeed [insert real name] and that [insert real name] actually was at the keyboard and it wasn't some random guy who made a dummy account.
In terms of defamation, good look with that, the Romine brothers thought that Jim's first impressions (let's all remember Slaughtering Grounds wasn't a review) and on top of that they need to prove it affected their income.
The name sounded familiar, so I looked up and I realized that this are the guys which release lots of shovelware which I actually buy since thanks to conversion rate, I earned money buying them after selling their steam trading cards.
I hadn't applied the standards of defamation to the present case. Just because someone alleges defamation and gets third party discovery does not mean they are going to win. However, likelihood of success at trial isn't generally part of the equation when obtaining information from third parties. There are legal avenues for Valve's lawyers to block this kind of thing, like a Protective Order and having the info reviewed in camera, or an injunction, or some such.
But that wasn't the point I was making. The fact of the matter is that if you go around posting defamatory material online and making factual assertions about a company, you better be prepared for the repercussions and be willing to fight your case.
The judge certainly seems to think that the factual allegations regarding asset re-use could be seen as defamation. Defamation, more generally, is some kind of non-opinion, factual assertion communicated to a third party which could give rise to a negative inference and thus, cause damages. Basically, statements that go beyond "I dislike this game" into the realm of "this game uses crappy, dated python scripts that were made with the intent to defraud consumers" could certainly be defamation.
That's the most beautiful thing, Jim and the 100 steam users have so many examples that would draw to the conclusion of asset flipping that DH need to prove otherwise, hell during the 1 hour long interview with Jim the most original thing DH could come up with in terms of what they made with Slaughtering Grounds was lines of code.
That's the most beautiful thing, Jim and the 100 steam users have so many examples that would draw to the conclusion of asset flipping that DH need to prove otherwise, hell during the 1 hour long interview with Jim the most original thing DH could come up with in terms of what they made with Slaughtering Grounds was lines of code.
But they did reuse assets. The judge messed up and it wouldn't hold up in an actual court case imo. Also, again, they'd need to prove that every single one of those 100 users did this, and based on the OP they're not off to a good start.
Shoulda renamed themselves to Digital Suicide.
I'm about halfway through the interview between Sterling and Romine right now - it's mind blowing. Like this dude seriously thinks he's making amazing point after amazing point and totally GETTING JIM GOOD. But it's just cringe worthy and truly baffling how he seriously seems incapable of seeing his own part in all of this.
Who knows? Maybe Peter Thiel will come rescue them.
Thanks for helping to perpetuate steam cards showelvare games on Steam. You do realize that DH got money for every card you sold? You do realize that DH constantly gives away keys for their "games" for free, so that they can then collect the money from cards? This is why DH flooded the store with so many showelvare games; to collect money from card sales. And they're not the only one coz almost every showelvare spammer depends on steam cards to make money.
They don't, at least I don't believe.All because they actually think their games are good. This shit is too funny.
On one hand, I do feel bad. Even as they pump out cheap to make games with mostly free or cheap assets, it doesn't mean they don't work hard. With the sheer number of releases, they probably have full work loads every day without a single day off so they can make enough money to survive and keep making games. They may not be good st making games, but they clearly love it - as seen by many of their fervent defenses of the indefensibly bad games. They do care.
On the other hand, valve's platform is theirs, and the fine print essentially says they can do (and not do) anything they please with how they moderate and that it's up to their descretion. There are some general guidelines, but it's more like Twitter or YouTube. It's mostly unfiltered. Even as FB apologizes and bans - they don't actually have to do that. That's just something they chose to do.
Valve doesn't have to do anything either. So they haven't. No one is forcing you to release your games on steam. There are other platforms.
So the lawsuit (if it happens) is a loss already. No court is going to dictate how an online entity chooses to moderate it's community.
The reality is, this is a desperate attempt to get your games back on steam. Vavle holds all rights to what content can and cannot be present and they can remove it for any reason. So throw a fit, but that's what you signed up for.
The thing is, there are hundreds of devs like you DH, who make quick, cheap games that aren't that good but make enough to get by. Sterling and many others also trash those games. Their response? Ignore the noise and keep making games. The biggest mistake you made is taking offense and going after talking heads, trolls, and everything in-between. You, not Jim, made things go down this path. Until you called Jim out, your coverage was perfectly normal and sales were probably okay.
See what Helll Games is doing? People have even more legit reasons to be mad at them and they are just being silent. Because that's the appropriate response. Just keep making games. Them opening their mouths is how they got into that mess.
So I feel bad, but this is entirely self inflicted.
On one hand, I do feel bad. Even as they pump out cheap to make games with mostly free or cheap assets, it doesn't mean they don't work hard. With the sheer number of releases, they probably have full work loads every day without a single day off so they can make enough money to survive and keep making games. They may not be good st making games, but they clearly love it - as seen by many of their fervent defenses of the indefensibly bad games. They do care.
What a bunch of insufferable pricks. I hope Sterling or Valve countersues them once this is done.
These guys are a fascinating bunch. Youd think a shovelware developer would have some self awareness as they barreled from one janky project to the next as fast as possible. Instead, they do that, then go on insane crusades to defend the work. Not using that time to, say, make their current project better.
Pretty sure this was the reason they tried to sue steam customers in the first place.People were joking about them suing valve. This shit is hilarious.
Well when Steam is forced to shut down I hope HL3 sells well enough to keep Valve alive.
#prayforvalve
But this is about Valve not doing anything about users harassing and threatening DH people and players of their games, not directly about quality of DH's games and them defending their work? I think Valve should have stricter rules and moderation when it comes to people posting death threats or telling people to go and kill themselves.
You should sue Valve for creating trading cards
Money well spent!I for one, propose we all chip in for the fund!
To get them a prize for all the entertainment these meltdowns have given us.
Couldn't DH ban users/delete the abuse from their own steam community?